>After working on Lubuntu-Next for a while in transitioning from the GTK-based LXDE desktop environment to the modern and maintained LXQt desktop environment that is powered by Qt5, the Lubuntu 18.10 will be the release that officially moves over to the LXQt desktop and pushes out LXDE.
>Walter Lapchynski of the Lubuntu project has confirmed that for the Ubuntu 18.10 "Cosmic Cuttlefish" cycle they are switching to LXQt for good.
>LXQt was born out of a merger of the LXDE and Razor-qt projects after the lead LXDE developer had a falling out with GTK3 five years ago. Those wishing to learn more about LXQt can do so at LXQt.org. Some of their upcoming plans are outlined on the LXQt road-map.
Xubuntu is pretty much kill. Xubuntu has completely stagnated in the past few years and have nothing new coming up but more of the same shit. Everybody will be dropping Xubuntu (and Xfeces in general) for LXQt, MATE and Budgie. The rest will stick to KDE Plasma.
When 18.10 hits, Lubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, Kubuntu and Ubuntu Budgie are the only flavors/DE that are moving Linux forward.
They've been saying this since 16.04, I don't believe any of their lies The team has gone full GNOME too, reasoning that they upped the requirements from 1 GB of RAM to 2 GB because "computers have evolved" Run AntiX for easy lightweight GNU/Linux, MX Linux for midweight machines and Devuan if you want Debian They won't deliver, they're the same CIA niggers that push GNOME as the """""" standard """""" Linux desktop They coopted Razor-qt to destroy Qt on lightweight machines, turning it into a monstrosity almost as heavy as KDE despite lacking all the features
Jose Kelly
I'm glad to see more previously GTK based projects switching away from GTK. I hope GTK will die out eventually.
Jacob Garcia
>I hope GTK will die out eventually.
This and I hope it takes Xfeces with it.
Caleb Rivera
>The team has gone full GNOME too, reasoning that they upped the requirements from 1 GB of RAM to 2 GB because "computers have evolved" I'm glad my old computers are finally growing more ram. Took them long enough.
Jace Gonzalez
>that they upped the requirements from 1 GB of RAM to 2 GB because "computers have evolved"
I only see that they went from 512mb to 1GB.
Jaxson Bailey
>support a literal Marxist How about fuck you
Chase Rogers
>Some people may have noticed that in the release announcement for 18.04, we bumped the system requirements to 1 GB of RAM at minimum
Check OS+Web requirements Still, 1 GB of RAM is enough to run KDE/MATE/XFCE Then use Devuan, the AntiX team might be lead by a literal Marxist but they key their ground on systemD, have their own kernel config and different kernels for old machines and actually works on older computers They also avoid Pulseaudio and other Lennart faggotry
Xavier Diaz
Now only if Linux wasn't trash. Yeah, yeah, the source is included. Now include drivers that run optimally...
Jayden Perez
Go fuck yourself. Xfce and Xubuntu are awesome and no one cares or uses lubuntu
>Devuan Is that still being maintained? If you want sysvinit use PCLOS, but honestly people should be using slackware or slack forks
Aaron Smith
lubuntu ahs the shittyiest team of all buntus, they stuck with 16.04.2 right until 18.04, that says a lot about how much work they put in it. Xubuntu on the other hand kept releases on time no matter what.
Ironically some turds say xfce is ded
Mason Roberts
This. /thread
Ian Foster
>Xfce and Xubuntu are awesome and no one cares or uses lubuntu
Xfeces has been losing users since MATE, Budgie and Cinnamon have made great strides in a modern desktop that isn't GNOME3.
Literally the only reason anybody used Xfeces is because there were very few stable Gnome3 alternatives.
By Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, you will see Xfeces userbase drop big time in favor of MATE, LXQt, KDE Plasma and Budgie.
Caleb Smith
You sound really butthurt
Hudson Howard
>lubuntu ahs the shittyiest team of all buntus, they stuck with 16.04.2 right until 18.04
Because they were putting their work toward Lubuntu Next aka LXQt Lubuntu.
You can't move your entire distro spin to a entirely new DE fork while keeping people working on the dead LXDE.
Asher Rogers
More like lamebuntu
Joshua Hernandez
>Literally the only reason anybody used Xfeces is because there were very few stable Gnome3 alternatives. This is 100% true. That was the main reason Jow Forums shilled it years ago. It was all because of Gnome3.
Parker Adams
Your Xfeces is dead. Deal with it. Move to a real Qt desktop already.
Jaxon Turner
>light weight >modular >customizeable >somehow bad Nigga stop huffing paint
Ayden Jenkins
>Because they were putting their work toward Lubuntu Next aka LXQt Lubuntu
...and still they didn't make it in time for 18.04, gonna have to wait until 2020 for a proper LXQt implementation.
Mason Green
I've used Xfce for over 10 years without any issues. I'd rather eat paint chips out of your ass than use lamebuntu
The only people who use Xfeces are NEETs who need to revive their mom's old laptop so they can shitpost.
Xfeces would be nowhere if Gnome3 didn't cause everybody in the Linux community to run away from it.
Jeremiah Harris
Keep telling yourself that sweetie. I have a 6 figure job and run Xubuntu on my librebooted X200
Zachary Gonzalez
>I've used Xfce for over 10 years without any issues.
Xfeces is dead in the water. Even your fellow Xfeces users will be asking you why you haven't moved to LXQt or Budgie or KDE Plasma in 2020.
Austin Lewis
LXQT is buggy as fuck
Leo Thompson
Indeed, it also freezes a lot
Lucas Kelly
>lubuntu are you fucking retard?, just use ubuntu minimal.
Samuel Gutierrez
That's not what softpedia said
>We took the first Lubuntu 18.10 daily build with LXQt for a test drive, and we have to say that we're impressed. It's so good that it could be released to the masses tomorrow. Of course, this is because of Lubuntu Next and the rigorous testing the Lubuntu team did over the past several years.
mini.iso is even more minimal than the Debian netinstaller
Easton Young
nobody cares about that
Levi Brooks
Does LXQT still screen tear all over the place? What a piece of shit
Evan Hernandez
>Does LXQT still screen tear all over the place?
you mean like Xfeces still does by default after 22 years?
Robert Ramirez
Xfce is the only DE on Linux that is mature. Every other DE is in a perpetual beta buggy bloat bullshit stage. No thanks.
Benjamin Martin
I tried Lubuntu Next on a removable drive, and it installed the bootloader on my main drive instead of the target drive. And X was throwing errors on every boot. Fun stuff. Between that, their slow release cycle and their missing documentation bullshit over the last year I'm going to stay way the fuck away from these people and their software.
Jace Torres
>Xfeces opinion discarded.
both xubuntu and lubuntu are great. who gives a shit about what you use. you shouldn't give a shit about what i use either.
pls fuck off
Colton White
irrelevant until kwin can into wayland
Gabriel Anderson
>to the modern and maintained LXQt F A L S E A L S E
LXDE is still maintained
Grayson Richardson
WTF r you spewing you braindead mong
LXDE is headed by a taiwanese MD NOT GNOME faglords also Lubuntu is a one man job /for the most part/
Logan Myers
>They coopted Razor-qt to destroy Qt on lightweight machines, turning it into a monstrosity almost as heavy as KDE despite lacking all the features Do you distinct between a DE and a distro? Are you implying a DE is responsible for jobs ran by your distro? Are you stupid?
Blake Kelly
enjoy your lack of ANY thumbnail in the file chooser
>all those ubuntu/debian plebs arguing about how broken their still unreleased version of a DE is while patrician distros have had it work since ever
Colton Lopez
oh >and actually believing ubuntu or debian is a showcase for anything >especially a new DE
Matthew Price
>ubuntu minimal. >mini.iso The worst thing you can do to yourself. Never install Debian and Ubuntu blindly without testing. Plus the installer can easily fail at the end (after the install) because reasons. But keep on recommending that pile of shit that is Debian.
Jayden White
>and it installed the bootloader on my main drive instead of the target drive that's a debian trademark
Zachary Allen
Xubuntu is stuck in 2002.
Let it die already.
Connor Murphy
I've seen this meme of hating Xfce lately and I don't understand it. What it there that it can't do that other lightweight DEs can? After trying a few of them I found Xfce more complete and easier to configure. I liked its simplicity over KDE and Cinnamon, too.
Christopher Brown
Eh, I already dropped XFCE because LXDE exists. It works fine and is a lot more configurable than LXQt
Jaxson Flores
They are both made by the same guy so they will become just as configurable.
Jaxon Hughes
i run lxqt on my fedora machine, and i have to tell you that it is incredibly far away from being a complete, usable DE - ubuntu/lubuntu antic and packaging aside the configuration menus and panel are unmitigated disasters, offering zero customizability/theming or else buggy (inconsistent/broken themes) whats more is it even has shitty or nonexistend support for eg dimming backlights and mouse/trackpad settings compared to lxde/xfce/gnome.
Mason Wood
It's the Gnome shills
Adam Jackson
it even tears with compton. it consistently leaves videos with a tear like picrel between sucessive frames
When I tried LXDE it has about the same ram usage (~200MiB) with a lot less features.. Don't see the point, minus well use openbox by itself.
>What it there that it can't do that other lightweight DEs can? Absolutely nothing. LXDE is pointless when XFCE is so lightweight while having more features, and LXQt is unstable, maybe it will be usable by 2020.
Michael Thomas
These are memes, not arguments. Unless you provide actual arguments why XFCE is bad, I'll just have to go with what these anons are saying
Josiah Young
But MATE turned to shit when they ported it to GTK3.
Parker Rogers
>XFCE is so lightweight while having more features
What features? It can't even match MATE, much less Gnome or KDE.
All you fags care about is ricing.
Christopher Harris
>MATE turned to shit when they ported it to GTK3.
Xfeces is also going to shit during it's GTK3 port, but at least MATE is actually developing faster and can be a true desktop when it becomes more stable while Xfeces is stagnant with less features than MATE.
>What features? Hot corners is one thing, in LXDE dragging a window to the corner/side will drag it into a new desktop. Thats really the main thing for me. And to clarify, I use it because its lightweight and I only have 4GB ram. I like Mate too though, and the way Gnome is going soon it will have less features than any DE.
Grayson Nguyen
Fuck yeah! Let's hope this will bring more devs and money to LXQt project. I'm still amazed they pulled of a merger. GTK has value in that it is usable from C. We need a replacement or a C API for Qt. How so?
Adam Price
>What features? It can't even match MATE, much less Gnome or KDE. Can you give examples instead of just making this claim constantly? I'm on a fresh install of Xubuntu 18.04 right now and all the low level stuff basically works right out of the box, I've just changed some basic themes and settings and installed the programs I prefer over the default ones. There's no screen tearing or anything weird, the only thing I've had trouble with is the trackpoint configuration. I'd say that's as close to "just werkz" as Linux is going to get.
Brandon Cook
It'll be the DE with the less features and the heaviest too. Gnome devs are the most incompetent devs there is. Gnome has to die.
>the only insult against Xfce is that it's supposedly stuck in the past.
It is stuck in the past and most of you Xfeces eaters say that's a good thing.
Your DE will die in short order. It cannot survive the next generation of DE development.
Aaron Kelly
>Claim that is hard to prove and is not even attempted here >Personal attack against third parties >Statement with no bearing to the discussion
Hudson Rogers
All you need is a terminal. There's nothing else to develop, it's all gimmickry. Xfce will last as long as there aren't vulnerabilities.
Ethan Lopez
>cringe Yep. >Errorz! >RBT, now with botnets and WEB2.0 shit?
William Foster
>mature You meant didn't added any useful feature in 10 years?
Sebastian Roberts
>typical Xfeces shill pretending there is nothing more to do on the Linux desktop in order to justify the lack of features on his Xfeces pile.
This is why MATE, Budgie, and LXQt are going to put your DE in the shithole of desktop history where it belongs. Your Xfeces is destined to rot the minute other DEs matured enough to replace Gnome3 entirely.
Gabriel Reyes
Why do Ubuntufags think changing the default DE makes it an entirely different distro?
Carter Myers
Name one such feature.
Kayden Martinez
Are all lx* fans this butthurt about the shittiness of their DE?
Robert Cooper
LXDE is faster than your shitty Xfeces.
Hunter Phillips
So that's a yes? Is LXDE really THAT bad? Chill out, dude. Try using a decent DE instead.
>It is stuck in the past tell it to the coelocanth then. why doesnt it evolve!!! it needs to be different to be good!!!
Mason Carter
This is a good thing
Anthony Thomas
>LXDE is pointless it's not
lxde is simpler (or even simplest) it's just a few tools and/or frontends wrapped with a session manager but they don't need it to work so you can use them with any x wm to configure your shit more easily overall it's a great contribution
Cooper Clark
LXQts only advantage is that kde applications work normal in it try dolphin anywhere else to see for yourself