GDPR makes me wish I wasn't European...

I'm not a shill. I've just studied economics and know what happens when governments try to regulate markets like this. It ends with everyone being worse off.

>But when something hurts business it also causes job loss.
fuck all this shit
ancap right now

If a site blocks access from EU because of GDPR, it's a fairly good bet that it either treats your private info like shit or is otherwise sketchy. Good fucking riddance.

If your business lives off ripping off customers it's not a loss, it's an improvement.

>say you have a website and the way you make money off of the website is through targeted advertising. To do targeted advertising you need to use data. The user can consent to this data use and it's fine, but if they decline this data use then you can't serve them targeted ads anymore. Your income from that person drops to zero. What's worse is that the GDPR requires you to offer the full service to that person regardless whether they consent to the data use or not.
And being able to say "yeah don't use my personal info for targeted advertising thanks" is a bad thing? lmao

This right here, if they want to use my fucking personal information for targeted advertising they should have to ask my permission for that shit

>I'm not a shill. I've just studied economics and know what happens when
Fellow MSc in Economics (technically BSc, currently writing my thesis) here. You are either lying or severely overreacting.

I've read every excuse in the book from app developers why GDPR is bad for business, but to me it just sounds like they're trying justifying the existence of their shitty app nobody would pay a dime for

Developers who put actual effort in their work seem to do just fine (at least on the App Store), so rather than putting tracking ads in your flashlight antivirus benchmark app, make something worthwhile

>To do targeted advertising you need to use data. The user can consent to this data use and it's fine, but if they decline this data use then you can't serve them targeted ads anymore. Your income from that person drops to zero.
Why is this a bad thing, you fucking disgusting filthy little kike. Your greed truly disgust me.

You mean like Ragnarok Online? Consider how huge the penalties are and how much it can cost to try to make old software comply. An IP address is considered personally identifying information under this stuff.
Really? You're an MSc in Economics and you disagree with the idea that regulating the free market and adding barriers to entry makes the sector perform worse?
>they're trying justifying the existence of their shitty app nobody would pay a dime for
And yet they're still being used for free.
Would you have paid $50 or $100 to use Google back in the day before people knew how useful it was? Would you have paid to use $15 to use Jow Forums back in 2005?
Because it's not related to greed. This is like going to a sandwich store, refusing to pay, but still demanding full service.
That's completely fine, but the law also mandates that you must offer them the full service even if they decline "payment" (to share the data).

>REEEEE treating people's personal information with care is costing me money, I'll block them
If a site is cancerous enough to treat personal information like shit I won't shed a tear if they try to go around the law by blocking EU ips

Leave him be, he is a bit mentally challenged from all the pledges of allegiance.

>Because it's not related to greed. This is like going to a sandwich store, refusing to pay, but still demanding full service.
Make your customers pay for your service instead of claiming that it is free and selling personal information, holy shit your jew brain really is too small to comprehend this, isn't it?

If you want to profit from a service, charge for that service. Don't pretend that the service is free of charge, and then turn around and rape your user up the ass by selling their personal information to advertisers.

Here's to hoping GDPR-like legislation gets implemented around the world so this current business model from Google, Facebook and the like can die off.

Facebook has already changed their service to accommodate EU users. I opted out of targetted ads some weeks ago, and they added the "download everything you have on me" specifically to accommodate GDPR. So GDPR has already paid off in that regard.

If they refuse targeted as (as in, you selling their personal information to customers), you can serve them regular ads still.

This is the problem. GDPR covers so much more than just "treating personal information like shit." Also, if you don't like how they treat your personal information, then stop using their fucking service. It's not hard.
I agree that services that tracked you even if you didn't use their services are cancer and they should be stopped, but GDPR does far more than that.
Are you paying for Jow Forums right now? Would you have paid for Jow Forums before ever using it? Because services like Jow Forums are the types of things we're talking about here.
Yeah, because it sucks having useful and well-working services like Google, right? Better go back to Microsoft's buggy shit or be charged out of the ass for inferior products by Apple.

This. There's no reason why an advertiser needs to know my location data the last five months or which friends I've spent time with.

top kek, the logo looks like an image macro I once made. with a logo and altdeutsche schrift
can't seem to find it rn

>Are you paying for Jow Forums right now? Would you have paid for Jow Forums before ever using it?
I did have a Jow Forums pass back before gook moot screwed up everything. Now it's not worth paying for anymore.

>Because services like Jow Forums are the types of things we're talking about here.
Ads don't have to be targetted to be effective. Also, 4chins doesn't collect personal data about me beyond my IP address.

Which pay absolutely nothing. If you're in a country that doesn't speak English (hello, EU), then these non-targeted ads are absolutely useless. The user will never be interested in what the ad offers and often the user won't even be able to read the ad. There's a reason they pay next to nothing.
But this isn't only what GDPR does.

On top of everything else it's such a mess that the European Parliament's own website is not GDPR complaint 5 days before it goes into effect.

Nah, I'd just rather enact proper online privacy laws than let this cancer spread t EU

Oh look, it's this thread again. Jow Forums shills in full force once again.

meant to say "lock" instead of "logo"
fml

but I found pic related, the base image I used

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Well I will personally shed a tear for your ad money you aren't getting when I didn't allow you to sell my information to everyone.

>But this isn't only what GDPR does.
No, it also allows me to demand to know what people collect about me and gives me the right to have that data deleted when I no longer want to use that service.

>On top of everything else it's such a mess that the European Parliament's own website is not GDPR complaint 5 days before it goes into effect.
I literally don't give a fuck. GDPR is a good thing for consumers, you're obviously a jewing kike and can fuck off back to whatever hole you crawled out from.

>Also, 4chins doesn't collect personal data about me beyond my IP address.
Which still requires 4chins to comply with GDPR.
Yeah, and if you have trouble finding a tech sector job in the EU in 20 years then think back on this.

I don't even understand why Jow Forums would shill AGAINST GDPR, when they obviously hate Google and Facebook with a passion because they collect data about everyone.

but clearly you're american, with that mindset and all...

>Which still requires 4chins to comply with GDPR.
IP addresses aren't personal data, no matter how hard you people keep on pretending that it is.

And the law only requires that I give consent to letting it be stored for the couple of hours that posts exist, before they are purged.

It is a non-issue you fucking shill. Stop fucking lying, you dishonest disgusting little pig kike.

>GDPR is a good thing for consumers,
Sure it is, in the short term. But if the long term effect of the GDPR is going to be a dead tech sector, then most consumers are going to suffer from it as well. If automation is the future and the EU kills off our tech sector before we properly introduce automation, then Europe is going to be fucked.
I'm not. I wish I were though. Better quality of life and more freedom than here.

>Would you have paid $50 or $100 to use Google back in the day before people knew how useful it was? Would you have paid to use $15 to use Jow Forums back in 2005?

No, and I'd argue if everyone had to pay for those sites, we'd have much better internet now.

Look, I get where you're coming from, nobody on the internet wants to pay for anything, that's why things like investigative journalism are struggling. I don't mind ads, but the violation of user privacy is wrong and short-sighted.

Let me put it this way - if you're homeless and are begging on the street, if you just sit there and don't cause any disturbance fewer people will give you some change, but if you nag and follow them you might get few more quarters, but somebody will call the cops on you. Hence, GDPR.

Jow Forums will shill against anything that is EU or that regulates business

>It's going to lose us access to services and it's going to lose us jobs.
following that line of logic it's going to make more jobs by people having to make replacement services

how did you possibly wind up with the opposite result in your brain?
are you an idiot?

IP addresses are personal data, whether you like it or not.

>automation requires that Facebook is allowed to sell your location data and call history to advertisers
You're dumb as fuck.

1) They aren't, see GDPR definition of personal data.
2) They aren't stored indefinitely on 4chin's servers, so not a problem to comply to GDPR if they were.
3) 4chin can add a disclaimer saying that we store IP addresses for the period a thread exists, now it is fully GDPR compliant.

Oh wow, it's fucking nothing. Now fuck off, you lying shill.

But why? This is obviously a good thing, and it particularly hurts those Silicon Valley companies Jow Forums love to hate... I really don't get it, are they so blinded by fright of government regulation?

If your lawbooks say your name isn't personal data, your name wouldn't be personal data either, right?
You fuck off, rather quickly.

>It's going to lose us access to services and it's going to lose us jobs.
Host in EU and problem solved. Also more sysadmin job and tax income. You know, things the current US botnets barely pay thanks to Irish corruption.

Your argument is literally that GDPR will kill businesses. Why are you trying to move the debate to be about names?

I've rarely encountered this level of dishonesty and disingenuity, Jow Forums must really have their brains fried because of GDPR.

>IP addresses aren't personal data, no matter how hard you people keep on pretending that it is.
The EU thinks they are.
>And the law only requires that I give consent to letting it be stored for the couple of hours that posts exist, before they are purged.
And when you are banned.
>It is a non-issue you fucking shill
Even just these small things means that Jow Forums has to spend money on becoming GDPR compliant or risk facing fines in the millions.
>No, and I'd argue if everyone had to pay for those sites, we'd have much better internet now.
If you hate Jow Forums so much then why the fuck are you here?
>following that line of logic it's going to make more jobs by people having to make replacement services
In the short term, yes. But this is a barrier to entry into the market, which means that less businesses will appear in this sector. Less businesses leads to less jobs.
They could've made a law that prevented Facebook from doing those things without trying to harm the tech sector in Europe.

>ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/what-personal-data_en
>Examples of personal data
>an Internet Protocol (IP) address;

>3) 4chin can add a disclaimer saying that we store IP addresses for the period a thread exists, now it is fully GDPR compliant.
And they need documentation on how they use this and to show that you consented.

yesterday the botnet was the cancer of technology that needs to be destroyed and today it would be so sad and unfair to lose them???
you guys really go lengths

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Imagine being this jewish.

>They could've made a law that prevented Facebook from doing those things without trying to harm the tech sector in Europe.
Just don't store personal data, you fucking kike.

Only few idiots defend anti privacy shitshow. Maybe some retarded trainee at facebook.

Jow Forums is torn between the fear of botnet and the disgust for the EU on this one

I bet if Donald Trump signed a similar kind of regulation, they would cheer it like the second coming.

I'm not even the user you think I am, it seems. I just disagree with your (and GDPRs) statement that IP addresses aren't personal data.

Let's settle with this:
You have your opinion, I have my opinion. Your opinion is shit and you should feel bad and my opinion is correct.

You replied to a completely different person.
IP addresses are personal data. Somebody is giving your server personal data by simply visiting the page. Have a login system? Email addresses are personal data too.
Or people who understand economics and know what sweeping regulation does to jobs.

>I just disagree with your (and GDPRs) statement that IP addresses aren't personal data.
So?

>You have your opinion, I have my opinion. Your opinion is shit and you should feel bad and my opinion is correct.
In the context of this thread, you fucking shit, it means that GDPR does not mean that Jow Forums has to shut down, like the other guy is suggesting. Fuck off.

>botnet asks me to allow using my data for advertising
>select nope
>still using it outside EU
Literally a snake oil that makes a bit harder to hoard data in EU.

>IP addresses are personal data.
They aren't though, and as previously stated, GDPR only limits how long you can store them without the user's consent, it doesn't prevent you from storing them at all.

>Somebody is giving your server personal data by simply visiting the page. Have a login system? Email addresses are personal data too.
Oh no!!!! Adding a disclaimer and deleting the account when the user unregisters is so hard!!!!! Muh business model!!!! Muh precious business model!!!!!!

>it means that GDPR does not mean that Jow Forums has to shut down
I never said it has to shut down. I said that this means that Jow Forums has to show GDPR compliance (spend money) and will likely make less money. My argument is that if Jow Forums had had to do this from day 1 then there probably wouldn't be a Jow Forums.

Yeah, sure.

>I said that this means that Jow Forums has to show GDPR compliance (spend money)
Wrong, it would already be compliant if your lies were true.

>My argument is that if Jow Forums had had to do this from day 1 then there probably wouldn't be a Jow Forums.
Wrong.

Just stop lying already.

Because these tech giants are such big job makers. Services that are used by billions of people have only a couple hundred employees at best (Instagram had less than 10 until recently), compared to something like car manufacturing that created millions of jobs with similar economic impact

>bawwwww my rights to hoard and sell data and fuck users' up the ass

Jew tears are delicious

>has to show GDPR compliance (spend money)
So gookmoot can't into basic webdev programming.

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>The right for privacy and not being cucked by B I G BROTHER makes me wish I wasn't European.
the fuck are you saying? are you retarded, retarded or retarded?

lmao what a bunch of bullshit

If those services/sites were outright banned, wouldn't it be like Russia with VK, which is based in Russia, and not USA, so I'd guess actually more jobs (and taxes) in its own country, instead of less.

>They aren't though,
How are they not personal data?
They betray your rough location, and help track your browsing habits across different sites.
Coupled with the timestamp, law enforcement can use it to get your exact personal details.

And this is just IPv4. It will be worse when IPv6 gets fully adopted.

>But this is a barrier to entry into the market
by what logic?
they know the rule is there, they do not have to support legacy systems, and there is now -less- work they do, as they do not collect the data

the amount of jobs has been increased
the barrier for entry has been lowered

now what?

>goverment tries to protect goyim
>THEY NAZIS REEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>How are they not personal data?
They aren't defined by GDPR to be personal data.

>They betray your rough location,
This isn't personal data.

>and help track your browsing habits across different sites.
Only if your IP is more or less static.

>Coupled with the timestamp, law enforcement can use it to get your exact personal details.
Only by contacting my ISP, they can't infer it without them.

>law enforcement can use it to get your exact personal details
And that is good? I wouldn't want anybody else being able to investigate that.

>They aren't though
Ctrl+f for "IP" on this page:
>ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/what-personal-data_en
>Oh no!!!! Adding a disclaimer and deleting the account when the user unregisters is so hard!!!!! Muh business model!!!! Muh precious business model!!!!!!
If you have many backups of your service, then yes, this is not a trivial thing. But who are we kidding, this is Jow Forums, they have no idea what backups are.

>Wrong.
Are you saying you know what argument I'm trying to make better than I do? How about you fuck off instead?

But all companies that put something on the internet are affected by this. Not just the software giants. If it only fucked Facebook, Google and their like I would have nothing against this law.

What I'm saying is that I like having a well-paying tech job. This law fucks the sector over, thus lowering my chances of having a good job 20 years from now.

>need to do extra work to comply with the law
>how is this a barrier to entry?
Gee, I wonder how requiring more effort could be a barrier to entry.
>as they do not collect the data
Except by the way they defined "personal data" every fucking internet service by definition collects data. Just having IP logging turned on is already collecting personally identifying data.

Stop trying to shift the argument, you fucking kike. The point is that storing IP addresses in a log IS NOT A VIOLATION OF GDPR. IN THE CONTEXT OF GDPR, IP ADDRESSES AREN'T CONSIDERED PERSONAL DATA.

I don't understand what you're trying to gain by convincing people that IP addresses are affected by GDPR? Why are you lying?

>>ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/what-personal-data_en
This states in what contexts IP addresses are considered personal data, particularly when they are tied to your account.

Stop.
Fucking.
Lying.

>Are you saying you know what argument I'm trying to make better than I do?
I'm saying that you are wrong in your assumptions. Fuck off.

>being happy about having a job that feeds off of your users data
Not sure if jew or a pajeet
also
>implying tech jobs will exist 20 years from now

GDPR also says on page 4 line 43 that you must kill yourself

it's the law, user

>They aren't defined by GDPR to be personal data.
They are
>This isn't personal data.
Tracking my current location is very much a breach of my privacy.
The fuck are you on?

>Only if your IP is more or less static.
Do you reset your router every time you visit a different web site?

>Only by contacting my ISP, they can't infer it without them.
And the ISP will bend over for law enforcement

It's not good when copyright violations alone are enough to get them to act.

IP addresses ARE considered personal data by the GDPR.

I wonder what the underlined text in red says.

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You can still use my services, I don't store PII so GDPR doesn't apply to me as far as I know.

>IP addresses ARE considered personal data by the GDPR.
Only when they are tied to your personal account. We don't have accounts on Jow Forums you fucking stupid little shit.

Nothing is going to be worse for the internet than GDPR

hbr.org/2018/04/gdpr-and-the-end-of-the-internets-grand-bargain

See >Tracking my current location is very much a breach of my privacy.
Then it's a good thing that GDPR takes this into consideration then?

>And the ISP will bend over for law enforcement
But GDPR isn't aimed at regulating law enforcement, it is aimed at botnet companies like Google and Facebook.

Fuck, I forgot I had to complete the course for my job.
Anyone have a tldr version of it?
Eg for email: Encrypt laptop or use web client

Because a GOP lead, Trump signed privacy law would be well reasoned and water tight, not this leaky vague piece of european shit.

Imagine being so fucked over by American capitalism, that you would literally spend your own time and effort on a mongolian cavepainting forum and shill on behalf of billion dollar companies for free.

>Because it's not related to greed. This is like going to a sandwich store, refusing to pay, but still demanding full service.
Well the sandwich store should just ask for money for the sandwich instead of masturbating to me eating it.
I can't see why this is a problem

My tl;dr is to ignore it because authorities have no way to enforce it.

Like many EU laws it only works on paper, in practice nothing will change.

>Personal data that has been rendered anonymous in such a way that the individual is not or no longer identifiable is no longer considered personal data. For data to be truly anonymised, the anonymisation must be irreversible.

An IP address can't be anonymized without breaking it completely. If I hash an IP address, that hash could be considered an accountname. It doesn't matter if there's an account, if it can be used to differentiate a user, it's an account. A single entry in a database can be regarded as an account.

tl;dr ssssssssssssssnakes r gay and IP addresses are personal data.

>well reasoned and water tight
Just like their efforts to repeal the scandal that is Obamacare, right?

Stop kidding yourself, they had 8 years to prepare and they stilled managed to fuck it up and half-ass their solution.

>Gee, I wonder how requiring more effort could be a barrier to entry.
it's ironic that you're being sarcastic, because again, the amount of effort is now less
sorry

No it doesn't have to be tied to a personal account, to be considered personal data.

The IP address needs to be anonymized to not count as personal data, e.g. hash it.
Which is exactly what Jow Forums should do, there's no reason it has to store your IP in clear-text.

>An IP address can't be anonymized without breaking it completely.
An IP address is by definition anonymous unless it is tied to a user account.

>It doesn't matter if there's an account, if it can be used to differentiate a user, it's an account.
Wrong.

Seeing how you're literally just devolved into spouting lies now, and pretending that GDPR will be the death of Jow Forums, I'd say this debate is over.

Maxed out FUD
An EULA and two switch can solve this. The GPDR is practically in force for years and only retarded companies can't delete user data completely after a user request.

Because every other sandwich store will also give their sandwiches away for free if you let them watch you eat it. The one charging money will go out of business. Or even more likely, the one charging money will never even start as a business.

>Like many EU laws it only works on paper, in practice nothing will change.
This is what I think as well. I don't think GDPR is going to do anything about Facebook's or Google's spying. It'll just fuck all the other companies that don't have armies of lawyers.

I can't speak for other anons, but I'm here to argue against the government placing more and more feet into the door, slowly wrenching it wide open and eventually outright nationalizing the interwebs to censor, incriminate, harass and surveil whomever the State wants. They already do this, but they at least have to be shady as fuck about it. Not for long, if more rules and regulations get stacked on.