Is vim getting bloated? it looks like it's becoming an IDE

neovim be like
>vim is old
>vim can't support new features like
>async
>built in
>please donate
>we will have full time developers
>oops we lied
>donate!
>let's spread fud on bram and vim
Meanwhile vim and based Bram
>created all the features of neovim in record time and better
>no messagepack stupidity
>no lua bloat
>backwards compatibility
>a gui (which neovim doesn't have)
>a debugger (which neovim doesn't have)
Besides the embedded terminal makes sense in GVim
It doesn't makes sense in veovim because it's a terminal program

Therefore neovim exposed and btfo for all eternity
Neovim is shit
Bullshit and lies

It's a nice thing to have and it could never work without the changes in vim 8.1

and also the fact that vim is pretty much installed by default on every *nix os

Yes.
Want good vim-like editor but better and light: use Vis.
Want Him but less bloated, use neoVim.

>vim is pretty much installed by default on every *nix os
wrong, quit parroting memes you have no clue about

I do love that Bram BTFO'd neovim so comprehensively.

>>oops we lied
About what?

I switched to neovim before vim 8 came out and supposedly fixed a bunch of problems. Should I go back to vim or not bother?

Living dat Kakoune life here OP, you should give it a try.

About everything
You lied that vim codebase is old and unmanageable (Bram created more features faster and better, without dropping compatibility, without external and with cross platform upstream gui)
You lied about hiring full time developers
You attacked and spread lies on Bram and Vim
Neovim is scumm and a scam

>want to use vim as more than an occasional config file editor and making tiny programs/scripts
>have to amass shitty plugins that make it bloated as fuck
always impressed with how people can waste their time with this shit

>Should I go back to vim
Yes
Vim is better in everyway and it hasn't liars and scam artists on board
Neovim is a dishonest editor

You're right partially
But... You can build vim from source without the new features or use one of the lighter packages your distro offers
Also the new features don't take memory if you don't use them plus vim still has the smallest download size from similar editors and it's more powerful, compatible and well tested

>You lied that vim codebase is old and unmanageable
How is this not true? You can add whatever you want, but it doesn't tell anything about shit code already present.
You can read multiple sources how current code is shit and some of it can never be used.
>You lied about hiring full time developers
This I don't know anything about.
>You attacked and spread lies on Bram and Vim
Your personal opinion
>Neovim is scumm and a scam
Your personal opinion.

Once again, what exactly did neovim devs lie about?

>Vim is better in everyway
Citation needed.

>Should I go back to vim
Do you have need to?

Oh boy

what

>You can read multiple sources
You mean the usual neovim shills and snake oil merchants?
No thanks, in fact it's the lies of these faggots and how the blatantly lied about everything and attacked Bram and Vim (eg Bram was never impolite or abrasive on mailing lists, read the lists) that made me hate neovim
These faggots were trying to demotivate Bram and then charge for neovim
Based Bram though completely destroyed them

I can guarantee 100% of the plugins you think you need have built in vim counterparts you don't know how to use

vi definitely is. Vim is included in every enterprise linux distribution of the last decade.

>Citation needed.
More platforms and better supported
Backwards compatibility
Complete documentation
Upstream multi platform gui
Well tested
Better code coverity in tests
Default in most Linux distributions
More features
Bram is a intelligent person and good man

>You mean the usual neovim shills and snake oil merchants?
No, but that line makes me think you don't want to read, you want to throw unabstantiated claims. Well, your choice.

>More platforms and better supported
True
>Backwards compatibility
Partially true
>Complete documentation
Same as neovim
>Upstream multi platform gui
Irrelevant
>Well tested
False. Some "supported" platforms are not tested at all.
>Better code coverity in tests
Perhaps, don't know
>Default in most Linux distributions
False.
>More features
False.
>Bram is a intelligent person and good man
Not relevant.

>you don't want to read
Nice try
But I have read their lies and then read the mailing lists
That's how I learned they were lying
Then read their other posts in other subjects and found even more lies
That's how I found they are scam artists
I have made research

>I have read their lies
Tried reading anything not by (((them)))?

>all these emacsimumfaggots
If you don't /vim/, you don't /comfy/.

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>Irrelevant
Wow, just wow
It's this kind of thinking that's disgusting about neovim shills
>Every feature we don't have is a feature you don't need and you should feel bad for wanting it
Just wow
I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you're at least honest, but once more a neovim supporter is just a dishonest shill spreading fud

>Wow, just wow
>It's this kind of thinking that's disgusting about neovim shills
Want to argue? Bring some arguments.
neovim has proper GUI support. How is having an upstream one better?
>>Every feature we don't have is a feature you don't need and you should feel bad for wanting it
Once again, neovim has GUI support and various front-ends.
>Just wow
>I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you're at least honest, but once more a neovim supporter is just a dishonest shill spreading fud
Same here. Nice to see how all the points stay unrefuted. Especially ones that are blatantly not true.

Also, "Bram is honest" is directly contradicted here

it took me a second and then i fucking died

>Also, "Bram is honest" is directly contradicted here
Desperate times need desperate measures
A shady group of scam artist was using three letter agency tactics to subvert vim development
Bram showed superhuman strength and stopped the takeover
In the process Vim gained some features that perhaps are misguided and are not completely compatible with the vision
(Though vim always included quickfix list therefore it always had minor ide tendencies and with that thinking a debugger is justified)
A small price to pay for freedom

I have repeatedly struck down your arguments and refuted your claims
No point in repeating them, carefully read what I wrote
May I suggest you make your own research, like I did, form a well educated original opinion, and not to lap up the lies that neovim scam artists are feeding you

>Desperate times need desperate measures
In other words: "dishonesty and lies are ok when my team does it". How does it feel being a hypocrite?

>I have repeatedly struck down your arguments and refuted your claims
Everything here is unrefuted. You post unsubstantiated claims like "default in most distributions" or "more features" and leave it be as if it's true.
But I guess you are used to lying.

>neovim scam artists
I have not read anything directly from them.

>Everything here is unrefuted
You didn't refute my original arguments
You simply moved the goalposts
Typical
My original arguments still stand

testing

The fuck lmao? Any person who works on important software exceeding a thousand lines of code? It's always debug -> unit tests -> human testing -> sec auditing at any point going back and doing design iterations.

>I have not read anything directly from them.
Therefore you are admitting you were arguing on something you weren't knowledgeable
Therefore many of your arguments are moot
Either that or you're being dishonest

Neovim GUIs lag worse than Eclipse. GVim runs on a potato with a framebuffer.

>nano
>Not bloated
El oh el whut?

I work on such software, and I don't need a debugger. Other use a debugger, and other spent their whole time to fix and understand their bugs, not me. Using a debugger is usually the proof that someone can't read her/his own code and understand how it works.