Why do some many people major in computer science and just cheat the whole time? I seriously do not understand it. I've been in school for two semesters now, and the amount of people who either aren't interested in it at all or just look for ways to get out of doing anything is ridiculous. I've had people offer to pay me to do their assignments, take their online tests for them, do their part of group work. Why even major in CS if you're just going to do this? I mean I understand finding certain topics or even classes boring, of course you're not going to find EVERYTHING interesting, but to literally cheat the whole time?
Why do some many people major in computer science and just cheat the whole time? I seriously do not understand it...
Julian Nelson
Joseph Lewis
Because industry code monkeys don't need to be able to do anything competently. They just sit in a cubicle and bash out awful code until it works, and their managers don't know or care that there's a better solution.
They want the pay, and they don't need any of the knowledge to get it.
Bentley Russell
Life's not about hard work and honor it's about winning with the least amount of effort or resource. The sooner you'll learn that the sooner you'll become management.
Adrian Bennett
i dont have an answer for your question but i'll admit that this happens in every major, even in stuff beyond your bachelors degree (law school, med school, graduate studies). i saw it a lot in law school, and my friends in med school say the same things.
yes its disappointing and frustrating, but the real world is filled with shit like this. just worry about you -- don't pay attention to these people.
Nathan Baker
it's not only the easiest thing to cheat your way into, it's one of the more lucrative too
and EVERYONE knows this, so that's why it's packed to the brim with cheaters
Dylan Howard
Computer science is made for people to cheat and most are just there to get the piece of paper as easy as possible. I mean I know people that cheat by literally having people they work with already doing the classwork for them.
Blake Martin
Because university currycula are garbage. Actual intelligence people learn most effectively when their are no pressures of midterms and homework deadlines.
so they just copy answers and meet the deadlines of the class and utilize our time wisely actually learning things.
Oliver Rivera
Cheating has no immediate negative consequences unless you get caught, and people have been trained by constant use of smart phones and social media not to care about anything that doesn't immediately affect them. Planning ahead, critical thinking, hard work, these are not things people do in current year.
Elijah Ward
Except most of those people aren't learning anything at all. They just use the free time they have to smoke weed and suck dicks.
Benjamin Taylor
They'll likely get the degree but end up working in a different field unrelated to programming anyway.
Austin Flores
Can confirm, there's a fine line between being a high functioning stoner and being a complete fucking degenerate.
Logan Edwards
Like bringing coffee to programmer chad?
Xavier Edwards
Let me guess, the cheaters are asian/indian?
Jose Evans
I have the best answer for this.
Social reasons.
>hey, go into this field, there's a lot of money
>please saturate this field so we can both get more demand met and lower your salaries with it
Thats why you have pajeets and women entering enmasse, trying to learn the logic of developing applications which is something their brains arent fit to be.
I will always say, you're either born a programmer or not. It takes logical skills that you cant just learn in college. If your entire life has been something entirely different, you're not going to become a developer. If you were good at math and logic deductions, like myself, you're more likely to be a good programmer. Programming isn't just about the language, it's almost about being an architect of an idea. Taking something abstract and making it tangible.
Dominic Perry
Don't worry OP they're just going to become a bunch of onions-chugging wagies who waste their lives away. Imagine thinking that "not giving a fuck" is cool because it's an edgier synonym for "doing nothing." That's how dumb these people are. They're so blissfully unaware of how shitty their lives are that they might as well be worker ants. Make more money than them and then you can ignore them forever. Good luck.
Adrian Robinson
yes or making PPT presentations while Chad does the actual presenting.
Jordan Taylor
t. straightedge virgin who will be stressed out every day of his life programming while the cheaters from his college who got the same degree as him with quarter of the effort will ascend to managerial positions because they are more socially approachable than him
Nicholas Cox
WHY IS SHE DO THAT
Isaac Thomas
>actual low-IQ brainlets who smoke weed get into managerial positions
you're going to do better unless you're an autistic lisp programmer or something.
Gabriel Ramirez
I can guarantee you that no matter how high they will go in their manager positions, me as a 200K C++ programmer with bonuses will be making more than them no matter the scenario. And if the company ever goes under, I'll be the least replaceable person when getting a new job. While those people will be stucking looking for manager positions, I'll be working for the government or a private corporation with huge pulls.
Jaxson Miller
>finish first semester of class
>half the class can barely put together logical pseudocode
>about 30% of the class still stuck on creating a functioning while loop
Won't these people get filtered out at the higher levels, or because they can't pass the math requirements? I couldn't figure out why they were here. It's not like the class covers any general ed requirements.
Christian Rogers
that sad, i was in humanities oriented high school, started programming when i was about 19, now i am 22
Alexander Lewis
I really do believe that part of why there's so much math is for this exact reason. It's pretty hard to cheat and bullshit your way through math courses
Ian Wood
this level of delusion is pretty hilarious. you're in for a rough awakening my dude
Julian Powell
>this level of delusion is pretty hilarious.
Except I'm already friends with said people, including a connection to the DoD through another organization. When you're in positions with actual skill and use, and have okay social skills, you end up going further places than those supposed societal faggots who did no work.
Who would you want, some kid who was social but can only open a webpage, or the okay social guy who coded an enterprise level application that powers a multi-billion company.
Henry Perry
>CS babby thinks math is a filter
You're barely above those chucklefucks if you don't realize why they're teaching this shit to you.
Xavier Nelson
obvious answer: school is expensive in countries such as the USA. it is cheaper to cheat or pay someone to do your assignment than flunk a course and pay again for tuition.
on to why they are studying CS if they have no interest in it: because there is a retarded culture out there that tells people who would otherwise study something they have genuine interest in, to instead, get a degree in something that will get them a job. CS and Engineering majors are the loudest , most autistic, and most fucking obnoxious kind of people you will meet, and often tell other people "you shouldve studied CS/EE/CE like me!" and after years of faggotry people are starting to realize doing this is retarded.
if someone wants to study Italian Rennaisance Literature fucking let them do it and don't patronize or belittle them or else they're gonna join your CS program and become a useless code monkey
Mason Parker
except those cheaters aren't dumb at all. they realized college homeworks and exams were bullshit while you were busy moralfagging.
they have been exposed to the same concepts you have, and know where to brush up on few days before applying them at their jobs
Bentley Barnes
A fellow lawfag. Where did you go?
Caleb Watson
>this is what the cs babby thinks
Grayson Martinez
not an argument
Xavier Moore
Can confirm. Had the same problems when I got my degree. half of the students got into it because "muh vidya games". No wonder everyone is a front end 'developer'
Sebastian Moore
Asian (but not Japanese/Korean), Indian, or from Latin speaking countries.
Thomas Myers
I mean I got into it cause video games, but I was making video games before high school anyway.
Nolan Hall
>actually arguing with cheating brainlets
let them be, they make life easier for you and me, these brainlets are why our jobs pay so high because they can't into it.
Gabriel Nelson
It's the fad of our generation
Bentley Rivera
Calm down faggot that shit is fucking funny as fuck
Evan Allen
People comes to CS for money want get diploma work few years and become manangers,HR or Recluters.
Angel Morris
>Why do some many people major in computer science and just cheat the whole time?
Now you understand the reason for making people solve trivial problems like FizzBuzz on a whiteboard.
Ian Jackson
Do the people that cheat the whole time actually end up getting a job, even if they don't know shit about programming? I find it hard to believe
Evan Robinson
Not everyone is born to think as logically and structurally as true computer scientists, you need to be one with the mechanations of the universe to comprehend it, most normies as so blinded by their atheistic materialism that they miss sight of underlying truths and thus their lack of care for universal truths shows in their apathy towards programming, they only seek it for the money and will be yet another grain of sand in the sea of code monkeys.
Programming and computer science are the next step in scientific evolution, being the purest of the sciences concerning itself only with logic, fundamental truths, and mathematics. Normies are apathetic to it as they have been since the day they were born, pajeets seek only to harness it for their own selfish gain (they shall bear the burden of their folly in due time...), and us select few with logic on our side shall reach for the stars, emperors of the automata we build, and gods among men.
This is the beta uprising, brace yourselves.
Ayden Perez
>not becoming the chad brogrammer who runs several businesses, does his own presentations at his own conferences, and makes god-tier code as easily as he can breathe
Julian Diaz
>tfw trying to hold by my laughter when someone says they want to into vidya
all i can say is good luck with the burnout lad, do a 540, and walk away
John Smith
Charles Perez
Because CS degrees are useless, Womyns Studies tier trash.
The best programmers I've worked with didn't have CS degrees. The worst did.
David Sanchez
This is pretty much true. What you learn in a CS class and what you actually need to be an effective programmer have some minor overlap, but very little.
Similar to how you can study the mathematical composition of music for years, but you couldn't write a song worth shit, despite it being technically perfect (see also Steely Dan)
Gavin Butler
Anyone saying CS is useful is either a pajeet or someone in denial.
William Collins
Also a CS grad. Sadly true - mostly use it to fill the more common prerequisite of some form of STEM degree for jobs and internships, but I do regret not studying something more fulfilling
I definitely learned more in a 6 month internship than i did a whole year of study
Tyler Gomez
Having a diploma is always useful
Dominic Mitchell
I cheated on it and all of my GenEd too. And I do mean all of it.
It's bullshit credential inflation that I need a degree at all. If I'm just getting a piece of paper then why are you surprised that I treat it as a piece of paper? A checkbox to be checked before employment.
If I can bullshit my way through an entire semester, study a weekend before finals and get an A on a Final am I a fucking genius or is the class fucking worthless? I promise it's not the former.
John Mitchell
>If I can bullshit my way through an entire semester, study a weekend before finals and get an A on a Final am I a fucking genius or is the class fucking worthless? I promise it's not the former.
Bets answer in favor of cheating ITT. Honest and straight to the point. I like you, user.
Jayden Morris
it's why the quality of software is so universally bad
Justin Thomas
This happened in my class except 5 of our classmates actually quit because they couldn't understand if statements at all
Owen Scott
>hey couldn't understand if statements at all
How is this even possible? like, the word 'if' seems pretty self-explanatory. How fucking retarded are people? I worry so much that I will struggle to get a job when the time comes, but then I read shit like this.
Grayson Thompson
because he's over-exaggerating for higher chance of replies
shocking i know
Joseph King
Low IQ people exist.
Carter Nelson
Some people have ( using your word here ) LITERALLY no idea what they are doing.
Bentley Howard
Seeing things in terms of IQ is a very limited worldview. IQ only measures one form of intelligence and isn't even the best way to measure pattern recognition.
Easton Ortiz
>I seriously do not understand it.
A lot of people simply cannot understand the concept of mechanism.
They get through their lives with verbal spam and pattern recognition. They are called "neurotypicals".
Leo King
you're a neurotypical if you actually believe this
Ryder Morgan
>Hehe stupid young people saying literally all the time ROFL I'm so cool XD
Off yourself
Ian Wright
Also this paper. It was later retracted because it is politically incorrect, but it remains true.
Jacob Gray
I have met students that could not even install Visual Studio telling me their plan was to go straight to middle management.
Aiden Parker
Yes, but having it in CS isn't the best way to spend 4 years.
Austin Wood
Even though most of the people that are hired are the ones with degrees right?
Chase Cox
IQ measures an average of all forms of intelligence and is a better predictor of success than any other measure in social science by a long shot. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.
Luis Martinez
OP, I'm studying electronic engineering for the past years and it's just the same. CS might be the hot area right now, but incompenent people are all around the university. Doesn't matter which major.
Brayden Brown
What sort of degree? Doesn't have to be CS. Best engineer I've ever worked with had a film degree
Tyler King
the SAT is literally the IQ test
Austin Baker
>IQ measures an average of all forms of intelligence and is a better predictor of success than any other measure in social science by a long shot.
HAHAHA Holy shit dude, take your own advice and stop talking about things you know nothing about
Adam Rodriguez
Found the brainlet
Aiden Diaz
Life is literally an IQ test.
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Jayden Johnson
Without derailing this into a pol thread, do you honestly believe IQ plays no factor in success or how a person behaves?
Hudson Perez
i bet you think IQ scales linearly too
Ayden Jenkins
not who you think you are responding too.
I think IQ is probably the single largest factor
Ayden Wood
Not that user but IQ is a poor metric for anything, you're mistaking correlation for causation.
independent.co.uk
I'll leave you with a quote from based Coolidge, which I use to try and motivate myself. Of course I'm a dropout who never once struggled or even tried academically and met with easy success everyone thought would be somebody, jokes on them!
Lincoln Rogers
>needs hyperdramatic statements in order to motivate himself
brainlet detected
Zachary Wood
>correlation for causation
This is the goto argument for retards and ledditors when they have nothing left to say. kys
Ethan Martin
>hurr durr nice argument
>provides an even worse one
Ok.
Isaac Garcia
I never said it worked user.
Jordan Hughes
And this mind set is what prevents humanity from advancing, we really are a metastatic cancer, but then again, what difference does that make?
Kayden Long
try again, underage
Aaron Hughes
That's not a paper, that's a column.
Asher Powell
Neither did you faggot
this is the go to for Jow Forumstards that have nothing left to say
Nolan Foster
>Neither did you faggot
I linked an actual news story which cites actual studies. You screamed leddit (probably because you disagree with the outcome more than the evidence). You are a stupid faggot.
Carson Smith
You linked to kike propaganda from a kiked country, kike
Bentley James
Edge lord at work again
But no getting more done with less effort in order to "win" is the motivation that pushes innovation. It's far superior to the idea of researching for the sake of science or other naive ideas because unlike most concepts the "need to win" can actually motivate people.
Logan Russell
>advancing
to what exactly?
Caleb Wright
Bullshit.
The problem is a system that have tests where you can cheat at all.
Our university only had oral exams.
Typically 6 topics disclosed 2 weeks before the exam, you went in, rolled a d6 and started your presentation followed by some questions.
Maybe you could find a presentation that worked flawlessly for the exam, but finding 6 takes just as much effort as writing your own.
And in an oral exam, you can bullshit through a lot, but you need to know the stuff in order to pull it off for every class.
As for homework, we mainly did reports and you can't just copy some other persons report.
As for cramming a lot of knowledge into a semester: It works. We were pushed to our limits and we learned a lot.
Maybe we missed some things and maybe we forgot some of the things again (I can't remember most of the DSP stuff we were taught for example) but it does work.
Nathaniel Cruz
>middle management
>cant install visual studio
I dont see a problem.. they'll fit right in.
Adam Reyes
Maybe i did, but its actually a thing. they understood the basic concept of "if x then y else z" but couldnt really grasp how to apply it, it took them an entire hour and half to even understand how fizzbuzz worked and then gave up when trying to understand loops and arrays.
To be fair they were always drunk or high so i dont blame them that much
Parker Brown
I don't know anyone who compile gentoo everday 24/7/365 like me.
Robert Hill
>Me no moar then decades of science resurch
Wyatt Watson
>psychology
>science
nice laugh
Brandon Roberts
this
i have one life on this planet
i'll take shortcuts to get the top as quick as possible
Nicholas Reyes
It's the easiest way to get a job that requires a college degree. Which almost all of them do. Though honestly at a good college I still learned a lot of good shit even if I don't use it for my job (everything I learned that was useful for my job was from my own side projects basically). College helped a lot with my side projects.
Joshua Bell
I can't understand how a person can't enjoy CS, sure studying maths can be boring but you are studying for a job that Is objectively better than 95% of jobs out there. I am a medfag and hate It partly because the amount of stupid memorization required In this field Is absolutely appalling. My friend taught me some very basic programming and I found It extremely interesting. Plus you work with computers and computers are the future, soon this shitty humanity will come to an end and we will be replaced by PCs what's better than that?
Luke Powell
>Planning ahead, critical thinking, hard work, these are not things people do in current year.
News flash Grandpa, degeneracy is constant among a percentage of people at any given point of history
Carter Hughes
I'm majoring in CS but not interested in coding/dev. Looking to get into network engineering, Am I wasting time or should I just go for CCNA/N+ certs?
William Gutierrez
>thinks memorization makes a field bad
>calls CS better than 95% of jobs out there
lol