How do we teach children to use computers

I was never taught how to use a computer, I learned how to do it myself by reading shit and solving problems along the way.

Heck my mother for a long time cut the power to the computer while it was shutting down, I'm talking windows 98 times.

My mother was programming in Haskell 98 back when you were just a little shit probably sucking Catholic priest off

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My dad worked at nintendo, edgelord

1. buy them dragon dildos.
2. buy lube.
3. ???
4. Profit.

My dad was a nintendo.
;_;

Put them in front of a bash prompt next time they ask to watch YouTube

It's scary to think how kids raised like this will grow up. poor lads get home from Marxist brainwashing at school and watch 8 hours of commercial fortnite clickbait videos every day.

>come back to find the 8-year-old has managed configure networking and install x and a web browser just so he can watch videos of retards playing Minecraft on Youtube

My dad performed a Nintendo. He's in prison now.

I am an elementary teacher, English and IT.

I started with some touch typing, basically teaching the kids to type at a greater speed. I learned this when I was about 14, these kids are 11 and thrilled about all of it. After that, I got an old tower from the headmistress and we popped it open in class. I showed them what all the different things do, taught them to look for disk sizes, basically the curriculum.

One thing to teach kids is to give them something "as a side note". I can guarantee they will gobble it up. ONLY ONCE did I show one of the kids how to alter webpage content (inspect element, basically). All of them knew it by heart at the end of the lesson.

At the end of the year, I told them we might get into something deeper. Tried Python, but encountered 2 problems:

1) They can't type fast enough and can't find the necessary symbols (parentheses and shit)
2) They don't have the logical thinking necessary. It's there, but not to the extent you'd need for stuff like that.

From that point on, I'm hopping from topic to topic. Binary? We counted for a bit, they got the basics. Office? Sure, we did that too, Gave them a text to stylize and type out, make a flyer etc. We also talked about securing their mobile devices and since then, they've grown more wary of the stuff they do online. They pay attention to what they share.

Right now, I want to teach them to use the web. The kids are gamers, almost all of them, but they have their own "paths". They go to this page, they turn this on and they're done. Basically learned to sit themselves down in front of youtube and not be a hassle. We play games like "I want to know what this person did?" or "What do you have that this person made?" or "Who owns this app you have?"

dad made a script which spits out random addition then multiplication problems when I was 5-6 (this was just some command line script in the 90s iirc)
told me I have to do at least 10 every day and show the result to him
took me a year to change the script to also spit out the results
I was too smug about it, so he compiled a program the next time.

personally I'd go for lego mindstorm or something nowadays.
something that you can build and then, with the computer, make it move.

physics simulations are also nice.
I remember some electronics program where you could mess around with voltage/amperes and some basic components.
dad taught me why the tiny lamp explodes when you hook it up to mains without actually being a hazard.
then again, he also hooked up 2 forks to some mains plug and put them in a sausage.
grilling it inside out within a couple seconds.

>elementary school teacher

lmao what a looser

Bake a salty cake
Serve salty cake to child
Child cries violently
Explain that the cake is proprietary and you don't have the recipe
Explain that, however, some cake recipes are free as in freedom and you can alter the recipe easily.
Show GPL licensed salty cake recipe to child
Change "salt" to "sugar"
Bake cake
Server sweet GPL licensed cake to child

This is one of many exercises in my upcoming book.

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I wouldn't even be mad, that's amazing

you are doing good stuff
but don't teach them python ir actual programming
teach them one of those drawing programs that you can program, like go forward 50 pixels, turn left 90 degrees... you know. this will prepare them for the actual programming
and teach them how to use files. so many people don't know how to open a rar, zip, tar.gz.
make them send files through email, make them send big files that are too big for an email attachment
download them, extract them, open them
introduce them to 7zip, notepad++, etc
so they can use their computer basic skills fairly well

[CODE]
$ youtube
youtube: command not found
$ firefox
The program 'firefox’ is not installed. Install it by executing:
apt install firefox
$ apt install firefox
[Y/n] yes
$ firefox
[/CODE]
:^)

proprietary cake would taste excellent
open source cake would taste really bas because every layer and icyng on the cake was cooked by a different cook

>$ apt install firefox
>password:

tell son basics of osrs and he will eventually find out hte rest byu himeself

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just tell them how to use google, it’s that simple

you're mistaken licensing with distributed work
also, for all you know proprietary cake uses sawdust instead of flour. JUST ADD MORE ADDITIVES.

>walk through wildy
>suddenly 15 million gp on the ground
>pick it up and run to bank
>in chat 2 people arguing
>both died at the same time
>accusing each other for snatching up loot even tho they sprinted side-by-side to the location

"You belong to the botnet now, son."

porn

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Turtle graphics! I did that in elementary school and it was so much fun. Best introduction to commands and loops you could give them.

we should admit that the botnet won and enjoy the fruits that it’s giving

>I remember some electronics program where you could mess around with voltage/amperes and some basic components.
>dad taught me why the tiny lamp explodes when you hook it up to mains without actually being a hazard.

I think I used this exact program. Did it also include heat conduction with a spoon, a pencil and a few other things of various materials?

god what would I give to experience that feeling of watching porn for the first time, I guess normal people feel this way about losing their virginity and junkies about their first hit

>also, for all you know proprietary cake uses sawdust instead of flour
No, because seeing as it is a food item, the creator of the cake is required by law to inform the consumer of every ingredient.

are you a cretin ?

whoa it's great you're teaching this stuff at such an early age. I only left school three years ago and my IT course which i did up until i was 16 was just word excel and powerpoint absolutely hated that class. I'm hoping as the right to reair movement progresses schools will start teaching kids to repair electronics from an early age it will be great if people are leaving school knowin how to fix their devices instead of just buying new things when they break them

Ironically, smartphones are quite dumb downed for children, when they use technology. If they were more exposed to actual computing, it would make them more computer literate.

Not to mention LOGO (no one mentioned its name so far) is a pretty sweet tool for teaching abstraction and recursive thinking if you don't stop at just the simple commands
I had LOGO in elementary school and it was a blast

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didn't know the US now puts SHIT on their beef ingredients list
consumerreports.org/cro/food/how-safe-is-your-ground-beef.htm

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no, only basic electronic components
the fork sausage thing he actually did irl
the sausages pretty much always exploded

Teaching kids to be nerdy ass white boys is more important than teaching him white privilege social issues because atleast teaching computers will make our kids capable of something. Otherwise they will turn into nasty human beings claiming something which will never be fulfilled and will slowly rot them

Because computers in general are abstracted and unknowable bricks.

Now gtfo and rot your containment board Jow Forums

>US
I'm sorry, I meant in the civilised world. If you're in US you could be eating literal shit and the shit manufacturer wouldn't have to tell you about it.

jesus fuck, this thread is shit
I hope you all won't have kids because you wouldn't be able to teach them how to even lace their shoes

>sexy teachers all around
>my fetish
Yeah, I'm so bad off. 7 hours a week for ~300$? 5 minutes from where I live? Yeah, shit job.

Notepad++ might be cool, never used it.

Also, headmistress yesterday
>user, could you sort next year's IT equipment?
>Sure
>We need 11 laptops, 400$ for each, could you sort it out?

Dankpads all da whey

Thanks, just downloaded FMSLogo. I think we used its predecessor or an alternative, because it was in 2002. I thought it only did turtle graphics, but it's a full programming language.

>teachers

that’s not how you spell schoolgirls

>elementary school

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your point?

>this generation is the most computer literate

I remember playing with TuxPaint and printing off the pictures at primary school. Great fun.

is it fuck

Honestly some of my learning happened this way. Usually when some game I wanted to play wouldnt work, and I had to scour forums figuring out why. Or the age old problem with starcraft becoming a rainbow hellscape when tabbing out .

>tfw didn’t have internet so spent free time browsing control panel and other settings in windows
It’s like I was made for tech support

idk, the predecessor you used might be better though;
FMSLogo seems overwhelming at a glance, and it's important for something to be simple and without extra unnecessary features (TCP/IP in logo? wtf?) for an elementary schoolkid.
I used calormen.com/jslogo/ to draw those and I still think it has too many things. But it has nice documentation and you can run it in a browser.

with vidya

by not giving them apple shit ie exactly what we're doing in current day and ict average skill requirements are dropping because of it

>$400
the best you will get is 1366x768 TN with a shitty celeron or m3 crapbook

>14 years old hotties
is there a better thing?

Kids are alrealy better than us. Just think about the whole generation who grew up with smartphones!

>kids are already well-versed in contruction and engineering, think about the whole generation who grew up with lego!

>elementary
>14

is this the state of famous mutt education?

You need to find the kids who are actually genuinely interested. Kids are like sponges for information, but only about things that interest them. If it's not there, their eyes will just glaze over.

You can get Sandy Bridge i5-based thinkpads for $150 apiece, easily. Go to /tpg/ and ask for pointers. eBay has literally hundreds of the damn things.

maybe stop being a retard yourself before you call someone else a retard

I don’t think you understand how meme arrows are used

I think you don't understand why you're being stupid.

>how do we teach children to use computers
spanking often works along with threatening to pull their teeth out with pliars

I legitimately don’t ;_;

I got my first PC at 11.

No one taught me anything I literally learned everything myself through trial and error.

I still remember how stoked I was when I figured out how to change the installation path of games.

protip: not every education system has middle schools

Don't give them a smartphone, and just give them a desktop to grow up with. If they have any questions or any problems, pretend you don't know and have them solve it themselves.

I remember growing up in the 90s, as a kid in elementary school I was learning how to install programs, do different things in the settings, torrenting and other things, all learned by myself from just seeking the information. Those who want to learn will learn. From these experiences, it made me want to find out more, which got me into programming, and the ball kept rolling.

But from that early exposure to things that are not just apps and social media, you'll be priming their mind to think of computers the way we do, verses how kids these days consider everything an "app"

>Don't give them a smartphone
nice way to alienate your kid and make him disfunctional in the modern world, pops

if you want to teach them programming you are better off starting with something like BASIC or Scratch

>people actually think not owning a surveillance device that doubles as a mindless consumerism tool makes you dysfunctional
fuck this gay earth

Ypu dont need a phone between k-7th grade, that will rot your mind and keep you tethered to all the social media crap that's honestly bad for your health. So when I called her friends, they can do so on your phone. 8th grade and above, sure.

>people actually think not owning a surveillance device that doubles as a mindless consumerism tool makes you dysfunctional
Exactly. It's not about what you or even he is going to think, it's about the world he's going to live in.
Social behaviors are going to change, having a smartphone is going to be as much of a necessity as owning a mobile or any sort of a personal computer today. Remember how meetings with people looked like before cell phones? None of this changing plans on the go bullshit which became a norm and you basically have to adjust to it. And it's not even like it's something that's gonna happen in a distant future, It's hard not having a smartphone even now. I have an underlying reluctance towards mobile technologies, and I had a dumb phone for as long as it was possible, but even I had to switch a few years ago because it became unbearable not being able to access various media and function on a private and professional level with my colleges because every time me not having a smartphone caused an inconvenience for everyone else.
>Ypu dont need a phone between k-7th grade
Honestly, I don't know. And I'm not so sure why you can say such things with certainty either. It's not like we have seen something like this before. My niece had almost zero access to technology and she turned out great, but that's not really what this thread is about.

>you will be dysfunctional unless you give into peer pressure and carry a tracking device with you at all times
if this is really how you feel then you are beyond hope, those people will just find something else to be inconvenienced about and the cycle will never end, but hey, feel free to go on and continue blaming technology for human shortcomings

>to use computers
Sit them in front of one and watch'em go. They won't know shit about how computers work, but they'll use it.

Awesome. It's great that you're not just teaching them how to consume but also how to create. Exposing them to computer internals may not appeal to everyone, and that's ok, the ones that do take an interest may explorer it further and that's such a worthwhile thing.

>Scratch
This.

>teach them one of those drawing programs that you can program, like go forward 50 pixels, turn left 90 degrees.
I think I remember a program called Turtle. Also have a look at Blockly: blockly-games.appspot.com/maze?lang=en as well as edublocks.org/

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>may not appeal to everyone

That's basically the whole class for one girl, but she tries. Seriously, what she lacks in first-hand experience, she compensates with willpower and trying. She asks, she troubleshoots, everything okay.

I presume you don't need a phone, but fuck me if I need internet almost everywhere. I can make do with my librebooted X200, but a WWAN card is a must for me.

once you get stuck in enough areas with bad connections you learn to just start storing everything you need on your computer

>implying I am not storing everything because my home connection is 5Mbps

I am already doing that with a BananaPro and a 750GB HDD. Plus, I torrent all the series I do. Apart from that, I use mutt for mail and offlineimap for storing it so that I can read shit when I have no connection, type out a reply and boom.

what's a computer?

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Make them read every issue of PC magazine from 1982 to 1999.

It took 90+ replies for someone to post this, and to top it off (you) posted a thumbnail.

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By blocking pornhub so they can find a way around it

lol ok so they can log in to facebook on a device that they only know how to click install and preach on facebook things that they like that someone else has told them

God I wish I had a dad

filter

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Teach them how to interact with people. They'll figure out computers on their own.