Finder >can't create a new file (really) >can't rename hidden files >can't merge directories when pasting >can't do standard cut-and-paste >pressing enter renames file instead of opening it
Window manager >can't trigger hover events on inactive windows (Jow Forums hover doesn't work if you're using two windows side by side) >can't trigger clicks on inactive windows without clicking the window active first, but clicking twice fast triggers a double click instead of activating and then clicking >can't tile windows when you drag them to screen corners >activating an app brings all its windows to front, no way to activate just one >mis-clicking menus closes them instead of letting you retry
Other >no calendar on notification area, can only see current day >volume control is 10% at a time and need to press a painful shortcut to fine-tune >app installation is a clusterfuck - installers (dmg, zip, ...), app store, homebrew, dragging .app to Apps, opening .dmg and dragging to Apps, scripts >no decent package manager (homebrew is a mess) >ancient versions of unix tools
Just some points I could come up with ad-hoc, there's many more, and also the added instability. Why is this considered a good OS?
Stackoverflow is full of people asking for it. The only things that work on High Sierra are either clumsy hacks or cost you money. Either way you'll be jumping through hoops because Apple doesn't think people need to be able to create files on their computers.
Dominic Reyes
I'm somewhat forced to use MacOS. >can't create a new file (really) This seriously pisses me off more than is should. I wish I could express how much this pisses me off >can't do standard cut-and-paste I want someone to explain why I need to use a different shortcut for cut and paste. This makes no sense. >pressing enter renames file instead of opening it I kinda understand this one (keep shortcuts the same), but they break this rule with cut and paste in Finder, so why not here? Just to Think Different? >can't trigger clicks on inactive windows without clicking the window active first, but clicking twice fast triggers a double click instead of activating and then clicking I never noticed this to tell the truth, it's a bit bullshit. Also, to add another level on inconsistency, this works as it should if you are clicking into an inactive Finder window (I'm guessing the desktop is to blame for this behavior) >activating an app brings all its windows to front, no way to activate just one Holy fuck, I never noticed that before. Goddamn >app installation is a clusterfuck - installers (dmg, zip, ...), app store, homebrew, dragging .app to Apps, opening .dmg and dragging to Apps, scripts That is an odd compliant to me. It is a bit inconsistent, but it gives a lot more flexibility. All those make sense depending on context (except scripts, which I want to find a program that installs that way that doesn't use an installer) This is also slowly creeping into GNU/Linux (AppImage, Snaps, Flatpack), because we needed more package managers for some reason. >ancient versions of unix tools This isn't as much as a problem (except for bash, where it is a problem). For example, what can *BSD's version of find do than OSX's version of find cannot?
Jackson Baker
I recently had this issue. The thing is, I haven’t needed to create an empty file that way since windows text files. I usually open the application that I plan to use and start my new file. Using the terminal, it’s possible to create a file and append text but it’s not ideally what “users” want. It doesn’t seem logical to have an “it just works” philosophy and yet something so simple be excluded.
Nicholas Ortiz
>I want someone to explain why I need to use a different shortcut for cut and paste. This makes no sense. The apple way of moving files isn't even bad, it's just that most of the time cutting is more intuitive since it removes the mental load from later. There's nothing stopping them from supporting cmd-x too, but no. >I kinda understand this one (keep shortcuts the same), but they break this rule with cut and paste in Finder, so why not here? Just to Think Different? Again an unnecessary violation of a thing that is standard literally everywhere else That is an odd compliant to me. It is a bit inconsistent, but it gives a lot more flexibility. All those make sense depending on context (except scripts, which I want to find a program that installs that way that doesn't use an installer) This is also slowly creeping into GNU/Linux (AppImage, Snaps, Flatpack), because we needed more package managers for some reason. It's tolerable, my point is that app installation is not simple like some people like to claim >This isn't as much as a problem (except for bash, where it is a problem). For example, what can *BSD's version of find do than OSX's version of find cannot? desu my problems have mostly been the fact that linux comes with the latest GNU implementations and include some nice non-standard features that aren't there on macOS. The point is that Linux has an advantage if you live in the shell
Anyway you're not wrong, you can get around and learn to tolerate this stuff, but I'm forced to use macOS too. Everything about it screams "fuck you" to me, at least out-of-the-box, and it's all because of retarded design gimmicks that could easily be fixed. What ticks me off is the fact that all of these problems are there unnecessarily because of the "think different" attitude.
Exactly, you can get around these problems just fine but it's not "just works" at all. The OS could be so much better OOTB but the philosophy cripples it
Oliver Stewart
>can't create a new file (really) Yeah it sucks OP, in the mac world you just make a new file with whatever program you need the file for like quick time for VSC it kind of sucks.
John Anderson
>what is touch [filename] ?
Sebastian Perry
Good. It's been that way for literally 20 years. It's the way it should be.
Ayden Miller
This. The CLI is a thing. Use it.
Jayden Foster
>can't create a new file (really)
File managers are for managing existing files, not creating new ones. That's what applications are for.
>can't rename hidden files
Cmd + Shift + . (period)
>can't merge directories when pasting
It's not nice to lie on the internet, user. (Pic related)
>pressing enter renames file instead of opening it
durr it dun wurk liek mah winderz, it bad
>can't trigger hover events on inactive windows
You absolutely can if the inactive window belongs to the app you're currently on.
>can't trigger clicks on inactive windows without clicking the window active first
This is called "clickthrough," and the point of blocking it on inactive windows is to prevent potentially destructive actions from being done by accident. Many well-designed applications do allow clickthrough on specific, non-destructive actions.
>mis-clicking menus closes them instead of letting you retry
In what GUI does a menu remain on-screen after selecting an item from it?
>File managers are for managing existing files, not creating new ones. That's what applications are for. And phones are for making calls, you should get a Nokia 3310 if you're so against features. Anyway my distro does not have this problem.
>>can't merge directories when pasting >It's not nice to lie on the internet, user. (Pic related) It can't. In Linux and Windows you get a prompt asking you for each individual file what action you want to take, and you can decide to use one decision for all the following conflicts. MacOS just makes you pick which folder to prefer for every conflict.
>You absolutely can if the inactive window belongs to the app you're currently on. And sometimes it doesn't and I'd like it to. It's yet another simple feature my distro can do and your rinky dink OS can't .
>>can't trigger clicks on inactive windows without clicking the window active first >This is called "clickthrough," and the point of blocking it on inactive windows is to prevent potentially destructive actions from being done by accident. Not all your users are braindead.
>using a terminal for browsing files stop trying too much
Adam Watson
>no decent package manager (homebrew is a mess) pkgsrc, pkgin
Andrew Bennett
>create a new file >open terminal >enter 'touch ' >drag directory (icon in title bar or folder icon) into terminal >enter '/filename\ here.extension' >press enter
>rename hidden files >chflags hidden file >file still renameable Wut? Are you trying to rename files you don't have permission for? Launch finder as root and try again.
>can't merge directories Never tried this so no comment
>can't do standard cut-and-paste >pressing enter renames file instead of opening it >can't trigger hover events on inactive windows Yeah, this fucking sucks.
>can't tile windows Magnets
>activating an app brings all its windows to front, no way to activate just one You're clicking from the dock right? Just use mission control, and if you really despise the dock, use ubar
>mis-clicking menus closes them instead of letting you retry It's the same as pressing escape, some apps do this and some don't
>no calender in notification area I use istat menus for that
>fine tune volume control option+shift+vol up/down.
Levi Cox
>app installation It's honestly the strongest point for os x for me. Being able to use an app from any location and not having to worry about installation is pretty sweet. Dmg isn't an installer, it's a crappy form of compression that is basically a disk image and should be ditched completely by app creators in favour of .zip or straight up .app. Installation scripts literally don't exist, unless you're talking about installers that affect system drivers. Homebrew isn't officially supported so it shouldn't even be an argument, it's like saying cygwin being convoluted is the reason why windows is shit
>no decent package manager (homebrew is a mess) How is homebrew a mess?
>ancient versions of unix tools Not really, if you're using the terminal extensively you're using xcode command line tools or homebrew anyway, there's no need to waste resources maintaining new versions of tools their target demographic does not bother with.
Doesn't excuse apple for not supporting them in stock, but they're pretty weak reasons to hate the os, considering the amount of work you have to do for a linux installation too. Some additional reasons to hate macos would be the cancerous files it makes, like the DS_store files or appledouble extended attribute files (._files)
Luis Johnson
>can't tile windows >Magnets Holy balls, thanks. Just bought it. A shame basic functionality costs pennies in macOS :(
Aiden Sanchez
>Using touch to create a new file is the only way This is not acceptable. However, I do understand the philosophy behind why this exists >chflags hidden file We are not talking about those hidden files. However, is correct when it comes to that, so I am wrong on that front >Magnets >istat menus >Having to pay to get features GNU/Linux DEs get for free This is one my gripes with macOS. A system tray costs $35. Window tiling that works with the mouse costs $1. I'm just glad iTerm doesn't cost money. >How is homebrew a mess? Here are some of my gripes with it: > Cannot roll back packages very easily if you did cleanup recently > Packages can break at any time > Autocomplete is very slow compared to other package managers > Updates package list automatically (This is an odd gripe, as I would think that this is more convenient, but it is annoying when you are just trying to remove packages, and it updates)
Adam Mitchell
.zip doesn't preserve a bunch of shit .app is literally just a folder .dmg just makes sense, and even lets you tell the user to drag it right to the applications folder because it preserves aliases and other Mac-specific shit
Leo Evans
>.app is literally just a folder A folder that contains the application and contents necessary to run it. Whether you copy the directory from another OS X install, get it from a zip archive, or from a dmg image, you end up dragging a .app directory to /Applications >.dmg just makes sense, and even lets you tell the user to drag it right to the applications folder .zip does this as well, only difference is you're decompressing an archive before you drag and drop the .app instead of mounting a disk image.
John Walker
>complaining about non-issues have you not got X11 failures to fix :^)?
Hudson Rogers
>this is not acceptable I guess, but I don't have much reason to create empty files on mac os anyway
>we're not talking about those hidden files Wait, what is it then? As far as I can tell cmd+shift+. reveals hidden files in dialog boxes. What does it have to do with renaming?
>having to pay for apps The soibois in CA have too much money to burn. Use macbed or appked to get apps for free.
>annoying when it updates automatically Just do ctrl+c when it updates, your command still works, you only cancel the update action with ctrl+c
With the new verification shit by apple it takes an eternity for it to load up, and eats up your cpu and battery in the meantime. You also have to copy the files twice, once to open the filesystem in the image and again to copy it to somewhere else. Try deleting the .dmg with the drive still mounted, you can copy shit off the drive still. You'd have to wait for your disk to slowly copy the files over twice, wasting ssd writes too. After you're done waiting for the app to copy over you have to manually dismount the drive by dragging it all the way to the dock, and then delete the dmg off your folder. Conversely, if the app is stored in a disk, you only have to double click the zip for it to decompress, then move the app away. Besides, you can download .apps without any extra hassle anyway, despite it being technically a folder.
Hunter Davis
What does it have to do with renaming? If dotfiles are not shown, pic related is the error you get
There has been a noticeable increase in apple hate threads recently. Is general Jow Forums audience getting more poor?
James Gomez
Oh, I leave hidden files visible in finder and I get this dialog. There isn't much reason for me to not leave it shown now that ds_store files are hidden
>noticeable increase recently You mean over the past few years? It's just a product of the consumerist company wars that have spread to Jow Forums.
>Is general Jow Forums audience getting more poor? That would lead to a massive increase in Apple worship threads seeing as Apple is a poverty brand worshipped by McBurger flippers.
Have you seen android? It's even more manipulative than os x is in terms of hiding shit from the user.
Noah Evans
>that image How come every celebrity, literally all of them, own only Apple products?
John Long
>comparing a desktop os to a mobile os Have you seen iOS? It's even more manipulative than android is in terms of hiding shit from the user.
Brody Stewart
At least it respects user's privacy.
Jordan Allen
>how come technology illiterate vapid whores use the products they're paid to promote Fuck off iToddler.
Hunter Stewart
No, because it straight up hides it from the user. It's a silent contract you sign that you're getting shafted if you choose to use ios, play on a console, etc Just because their only other competitor does it doesn't make it acceptable for android to fuck you in the ass user.
They just use shit that works. None of that useless Windows/Linux shit, you worthless waste of oxygen
Joseph Long
>doesn't make it acceptable for android Android is an open source free as in freedom OS. If you get shafted it's your own fault for buying a phone preinstalled with a tainted version of android.
Christopher Johnson
>ishit >work Good joke. Neck yourself you worthless subhuman fruit worshiper.
Isaac Lewis
Aww, someone is mad. Get a job and use a real OS, bitch :^)
What happens when they all become tainted? My point is that android as an ecosystem is lying to the consumer, you are thoroughly convinced that your windows-tier os is free because you can tweak all the botnet away, like a wintard would with with the registry. Google isn't a free software first company user, and fuschia will drive home the point for thick skulled faggots like you.
Julian Nelson
>being this mad >REEEEEEEEEEE >LEAV APUL ALONE!!!1111
Shit you got me, I should have posted from my chink-botnet cheapdroid phone. Oh wait, that's what I was using all along, a redmi note 4. Turns out not everyone is a consumerist fanboy that turns their operating system of choice into their identity like a tumblrtard would with their gender.
Lucas Moore
The only records they broke were revenue, sales are tanking. They're literally jacking up prices and milking brainless sheep like you for all you're worth. This is why true patricians own Apple stock, and subhuman cucks buy Apple products. But whatever, I'm not going to complain if retards keep giving me their money.
DMG also has important security advantages over ZIP such as Gatekeeper code signing and path randomization.
>you have to manually dismount the drive by dragging it all the way to the dock, and then delete the dmg off your folder.
Seriously? You can just right-click the mounted image and select Eject from the context menu, or just use Cmd + E. Click-dragging to the Trash is total Macnoob-tier.
Jason Green
Damn, cmd+e exists? Thanks for that shit Why the fuck does dmg's """security""" matter when malicious apps can just send zipped apps over the internet and have a reasonable expectation that it be opened? The main reasons the advantages exist also makes it a pain in the ass to unpack and install.
Isaiah Rodriguez
Finder >Not for finding things.
Spotlight >Not for illumination.
Such a bad OS.
Jose Williams
Don't forget the most egregious and non-forgivable part: No way to sort by name A-Z with folders on top.
>no way to sort by date without the sections shit that hides additional files within a section and doesn't place the folders on top
Asher Ramirez
Lol you kids are so deep. #WOKE jk, wintoddlers are like the niggers of this board. WE WUZ TECH LITERATES. DA ILLUMINAUGHTY IS BRAINWASHING DA ISHEEP WID DA APPUL PRODUCTS
Jaxon Barnes
They specifically said by name.
Nicholas Hernandez
>Damn, cmd+e exists?
Protip: Take a few moments to go through an app's menu bar to discover its keyboard shortcuts. They are one of macOS's best features.
Also, while there is no such thing as perfect security, that doesn't mean Apple should just give up trying to make their platforms more secure. It's not unthinkable to predict a future macOS version where the default Gatekeeper policy is to block any non-App Store apps that aren't packaged in signed, secure DMGs (while still allowing power users to disable Gatekeeper altogether via spctl).
Fixed since Sierra.
Levi Cooper
Why are you using the file viewer to create files? Do winchildren really do this? If you're creating a .txt, .c, .java, or other file, why aren't you using a text editor to create the file?
If you want to create a file quickly and more conveniently than this, terminal is a much better option: touch filename But I guess wintoddlers can't into CLI
Kevin Harris
You /v/iggers need to go back.
Brandon Murphy
>if you're taking photos why are you using a phone? >just use the terminal And then Linux is the one who gets the reputation for being terminal-centric, meanwhile my distro lets me do this from the file manager and your rinky-dink 3-kernel OS doesn't.
Josiah Bennett
>if you're taking photos why are you using a phone? >just use a camera FTFY
>ancient versions of unix tools Correction: ancient versions of GNU tools. GNU's not Unix.
Andrew Lopez
>just use the terminal Fucking lmao.
Still old, enjoy your ancient shit.
Jonathan Jenkins
>Waaaaah, this mainstream desktop OS doesn't cater to my specific edge case
Generating blank files is not something most people need to do regularly.
Jackson Barnes
>it's bad because it's old That's not how that works
Aiden Sanders
>macOS >mainstream How delusional can you be?
Isaac Myers
>waaah I don't think you understand mate, I'm not upset because I don't give 2 shits. I don't care if this ever gets fixed. My current OS lets me do this while not writing encryption keys to plaintext logs. I'm happy. Enjoy your computing experience.
Again, enjoy your outdated shit.
James Kelly
>OS X isn't mainstream How delusional can you be?
I've no outdated shit to enjoy
Hudson Thompson
>fagos >inconsistent I think you are talking about pajewindows and tardloonix
Adam Williams
>14% market share >mainstream
Jacob Sanders
>second most used operating system on the planet >has a whopping 14% market share >not mainstream
Jason Jackson
>I've never understood why there are shortcuts to create blank files in Windows/Linux >cut-and-paste if a broken workflow, since what happens to your file if you cut, and then copy or cut something else before pasting?
Adam Anderson
>whopping 14% >whopping >out of two iSheeple and their mental gymnastics.
Joseph Roberts
>out of two >two four. Being the other half of a duopoly is anything but not mainstream
Chase Sullivan
How do you dick suckers create new text files in the directory you're currently in? Navigate to the directory again using a text editor? Always open a terminal? How is that better than a couple of simple clicks? How do you think not having the option is ok?
