/pcbg/ PC Building General

>Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC (You can find a lot more detailed videos on other youtube)
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g
>How to install Win7 on new CPUs
pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

If you want help
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM, Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs
>R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming WITH/WITHOUT a graphics card (Low end)
>R5 2400G - Consider IF on sale & closer to 2200G price
>R5 2600X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPU (Mid range)
>i7-8700k - Best for gaming, but most expensive when factoring in delid, high end cooler, etc.
>R7 2700X - Best high-end mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform
>TR 1950X/Used Xeon - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing (HEDT)
Overclocking
>Use Precision Boost2 offsets to overclock Ryzen2000X series!

RAM
>8GB - enough for glorified gaming use
>16GB - for heavy PC use
>32GB+ - if you have to ask, you don't need this much
>Current CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933-3200 MHz is ideal

Graphics cards
1080p
>MSRP of standard 1080p cards: 1050Ti, 140USD; 1060 6GB, $230; RX 560, $115; RX 570 4GB, $170; RX 580 8GB, $220+
>There have been good sales on AMD graphic cards lately in the US. Look for them
>GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) fps in newer games & you have a CPU + monitor to match
1440p
>GTX 1070/Ti, 1080, or Vega56/64; currently overpriced
>GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) fps & you have a CPU + monitor to match
4K
>Titan V OC

Storage
>Optane is good with StoreMi on Ryzen; not good on Intel
>240GB minimum for a storage drive
>2TB HDD are barely more $ than 1TB
>m.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard
>Consider getting a larger SSD, instead of small SSD & large HDD; add HDD later when needed

General
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING

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youtube.com/watch?v=UwPXKhRdfuw
techspot.com/review/1627-core-i5-8400-vs-ryzen-5-2600/page2.html
pcpartpicker.com/list/VCBrvn
pcpartpicker.com/list/dRfmD2
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youtube.com/watch?v=0JRY0Ri2VoM
pcpartpicker.com/list/KKtDq4
pcpartpicker.com/list/pkvZJ8
youtube.com/watch?v=PUIxyLRnzDc
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for the retard saying you can hit 4.2ghz on a ryzen stealth cooler with a 2600

youtube.com/watch?v=UwPXKhRdfuw

neck yourself

wraith stealth isn't even capable of running 2600x at stock, let alone OC'ed 2600.

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watch what you say you might be called a shill

>2600x instead of 2600
>2400g for some retarded reason
>no 8400
>4k only good with titan v
fucking autistic OP

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so you're calling him a liar? prove that i can run 4.2ghz at low temps with a wraith stealth. i'll wait

cry some more retard

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im calling him a amerimutt

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BUY INTEL

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prove he is wrong if you think he's wrong. i would myself but i threw away that stock cooler the day i got it

i don't frequent /pcbg/ any more due to rampant amd shilling. i hope you fucks get kicked out to another board.

pic related

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more intel

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He is a spamming obnoxious shill from /v/ who has been doing this all week

It's not even /pcbg/, this raging retard pollutes the whole/g/.

>i only want kosher intel recommendations
you know sometimes i wish AMD died so that you could pay $1000 for a pentium

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>HES FROM /v/
Do you frequent /v/, how would you know?

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You know back in the day i never seen AMD fanboys so asshurt that sandybridge was better than FX, most of them just bought sandybridge.

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I mean you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of owning am xbox. Not sure how you could out yourself as /v/ermin anymore than that

>tfw you dont own any AMD cpus yet everyone calls you a shill

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>94C
>stock

you know what's retarded? these people don't even realize what they're saying. i spend ages trying to correct the guy so that he doesn't mislead any potential owners of these chips. i don't care for either company but saying flat out lies like a stealth cooler can hit 4.2ghz on all cores stable is just pure stupidity. if he recommends this stock cooler to new buyers and they attempt OC and then get shitter performance than expected due to thermal throttling they will start hating on AMD, not the retard who recommended them the product because they won't even realise what's wrong with their processor.

fanboys and shills are something else. no one would recommend heavy OC on ryzen with stock coolers just like nobody would recommend heavy OC on k intel processor with a stock cooler. it's universal logic but i'm apparently a shill for pointing that out.

Maybe its because of your little pubg omission yesterday?

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I got quite the lead so far, no one has been able to tell me why the 8400 belongs in the OP

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almost done

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probably a /v/ermin then. everyone loves xbox except /v/ and sony niggers

i own a 2600 you fucking nigger, there are good cpus from both intel and amd and 8400 has better price/perf.
you don't need to spam your retarded images you fucking child, compare the priced between those 2 builds and see the difference. 2600 can be better but only when paired with expensive as fuck ram and x470 mobo (no way you're running 3400 w/ tight latencies on b350, same with OC on stock cooler).
paying $250 more just for few extra % of performance on your precious cpu from a company that you think is your friend is just plain retarded.
anyway i'm not gonna stay in this autistic thread until amd shills get banned, arguing with people who have absolutely zero knowledge on cpu design and architectures is just pointless.

Not me retard. Not everyone is as obvious as you are. I was the one who reported you and got your thread deleted yesterday

my god please get a tripcode so i can filter you, kid.

you left this bit out

>That said it’s well worth nothing that it took an aggressive all core overclock, ultra expensive memory that was custom tuned and an upgraded cooler for the Ryzen 5 2600 to basically match the Core i5-8400 in this title. So while the gains and overall performance was excellent, the cost to achieve it is great.

techspot.com/review/1627-core-i5-8400-vs-ryzen-5-2600/page2.html

try being unbiased for once and showing the full picture.

and here is the cost of both platforms

AMD
pcpartpicker.com/list/VCBrvn

Intel
pcpartpicker.com/list/dRfmD2

For the cost of the platform AMD is $10 more for a noticeable bump in performance. No doubt some shill will continue to argue this fact.

>ryzen overclocking 2600
>FREE, stock cooler will provide 4.2GHz
>intel overclocking 8400
>oy vey you need to delid, get a liquid cooler or it wont even hit it's turbo
>AMD is just better at evertything
Imagine my shock when the so called free overclocking is not so free and you actually need an aftermarket cooler for ryzen 2600 to reach those overclocks reliably.

Note that b350 doesn't support 3600 mhz but b450 will and will cost the same so b350 is only a placeholder.

>oy vey you need to delid, get a liquid cooler or it wont even hit it's turbo
intel doesn't support overclocking on that cpu anyways

I never made a thread yesterday you autismo

>puts the 8400 on a 370, even though you don't plan to OC the CPU or the RAM
>55$ more expensive motherboard for this reason
>hey goys the difference is just 10$ buy AMD
Nicely skewed my friend

>paying for an online subscription
Nothing wrong with that?

yeah playstation sucks i know

>puts the 8400 on a 370
to insure good power delivery and a guaranteed 3.8 ghz, if i picked some shit h series i would be shocked if it went above its base clock

Im not a console fag, the fact that you care proves me right.

he actually uses this ram:

de.pcpartpicker.com/product/wNvbt6/gskill-sniper-x-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3400-memory-f4-3400c16d-16gsxw

which is 100 more than regular ddr4 3000 ram

de.pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#Z=16384001,16384002&sort=price&s=402933,403000

>shitty lower profile cooler thays worse than the provided box cooler for 4.2ghz oc
Legit

>overpriced mobo and ram for 8400 and air cooler too bump up its cost
I paid less than that for my z370 and 3000mhz ram on my 8400

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
>"Gish gallop" is a technique used during debating that focuses on overwhelming one's opponent with as many arguments as possible

only console i like is the switch and the xbox. all xbox games are on pc for free and the switch is just a good console. it's these sony niggers who ruin all these boards as you can see with this flaming amd shill.

>gskill autismo X
overpriced shit that is no better than gskill v series meant for dumb ricers

>on my 8400
WEW some retard here was dumb enough to get memed into it

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Doesn't stop AMD fanboys from spamming the delid meme on 8400 or 8700

no he uses it specifically because it has samsung ram which is the best for tuning timings. his performance came mostly from the expensive ram having really tight timings and he explains that but also says it comes at a great cost

>only console i like is the switch
I think i see now.

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>to insure good power delivery and a guaranteed 3.8 ghz
It's been tested that B360 can achieve that fine, only the cheapest 310 boards fail to supply 8400 with enough power.

Bought it at launch no regrets the 1600 is a shitty cpu and the 8400 is still good enough that you desperately have to shill in a futile attempt to down play how good it is at gaming

>switch
>intel

are you retarded? it doesn't even have an x86 processor at all.

>delid meme
Find a way for me to get comparable temps on intel as opposed to AMD.

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The point is other than you actually liking consoles is that you like the gayest most onions of them all. You seriously just need to go back to /v/, your autism is out of control hans.

That isn't how VRMs work
If they get overloaded, the CPU doesn't throttle, they shut down completely (or blow up).
"X is great; Y is shit" is the opposite of what helps people who want to learn about computer components

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The graph you posted is not of temperatures.

I dont need to teach anyone about the 1600 it's a shitty deprecated part now. The 2600 exists and its actually decent at gaming

>This autistic video is supposed to prove anything
>Literally just one piss poor look at the screen

Here, I'll post a video from a well known shintel shill instead
youtube.com/watch?v=0JRY0Ri2VoM

at launch sadly people didn't have the luxury of getting a B360 since only z370 were available.

>they shut down completely (or blow up).
and thats better?

"AMD is great; Intel is shit" will remain true until intel can make and arch that isnt power hungry, overpriced, or bring solder back just like in gpus "Nvidia is great; AMD is shit" is true an not a single person here gives a fuck.

switch isn't a home console it's a beefed up mobile device. go and talk about how amazing playstation is in another thread. this thread is for people who play on pc. and fyi i'm not german so i don't know where you got that from. i'm nowhere near.

>mobile device
Even gayer and even less Jow Forums

>mobile devices isn't Jow Forums
Newfag

what is your point and what are you trying to prove with that vid?

i'm not even going to watch this video since you clearly have no idea what the original discussion was about. the cooler in the video is no where near the wraith stealth which comes with a 2600

The 8400 is depreciated in the same sense with the 8500/8600 on shelves, but neither product becomes any worse at what it does (especially with lower prices).
Exploding VRMs aren't much of an issue after AM3+.

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>less Jow Forums
first day here?

Lol. This guys been shilling this shit for days.

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You don't know what depricated means LOL. 8500 and 8600 dont supercede the 8400, its a more expensive sku for a small mhz bump on the same series of cpu with no additional features

>apple vs samsung shitposting is Jow Forums
Its almost like you don't remember when we laughed you faggots off this board, literal newfags.

Somehow amd has worse temps with solder and lower power consumption, explain.

>we laughed phone threads of Jow Forums
No. You never did, and you are a newfag

this is bait right? no one is talking about apple vs samsung. phone threads were extremely popular anyway and still are.

>hes so new he thinks smartphones are Jow Forums
>hes so new he thinks intel is Jow Forums
>hes so new that he thinks admitting to owning consoles means he belongs on Jow Forums
>he prob uses windows 10
You are a literal embodiment of nu-Jow Forums fuck off

That's the same thing that happened from skylake to kaby lake
The 8400 is outclassed in its own field, not to mention the rest of the league

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No one gave a fuck about phones here before bendgate other than large fuckups like the iphone 4 "you are holding it wrong" shit.

You are so new that i doubt you can recall how Jow Forums reacted to the 290x launch 5 years ago.

Skylake and kaby were 2 different series. Its the same chip with 100mhz more for more money. Kaby had the 7400 7500 7600 and skylake had the 6400 6500 6600. Stop being fucking retarded

>For the cost of the platform AMD is $10
Nice try, shill. 8400 does not require nor profit from Z370. Your intellectual dishonesty is utterly disgusting.
8400 base for $410 with cheap parts: pcpartpicker.com/list/KKtDq4
2600 base for $508 same + BIOS update: pcpartpicker.com/list/pkvZJ8
Note that neither include aftermarket cooling and are able to run stock.
While the 8400 does not require a different cooler the 2600 does IF you want to OC, that's another $50 for a capable cooler which costs a total of $558 for a base 2600 OC build.
AMD should have at least given the Wraith with the 2600 and not the Stealth, that's Intel style jewery.

What exactly it's this pic supposed to convey?

Just because you call it something different doesn't mean it is. Skylake and Kaby are fundamentally the same.
And that doesn't get around the fact that the 8400 does not hold the market segment that it used to
Are you seriously complaining about what stock cooler you get

Spending more money gets you better performance. Who knew

>pcpartpicker.com/list/KKtDq4
>somehow amd requires a $80 cooler to overclock
>yet intel gets 1 ghz on its stock cooler

>8400 does not require nor profit from Z370
Chose the cheapest one, decent b360s aren"t much cheaper

Not to mention how that mobo lacks vrm cooling for a CPU that has the same power consumption as the 7700k
How does any of this make you not look like a massive shill?

None of that had anything to do with incorrectly stating the 8400 ia deprecated by the 8500 you fucking trap posting faggot degenerate. With your dumb faggot logic the 8600k is deprecated by the 8700 and the 8700 is deperecated by the 8700k. Again, you dont know what deprecated means

should I buy my gpu from aliexpress?
youtube.com/watch?v=PUIxyLRnzDc

What mobo and RAM should I get with 2700x?

I was looking at MSI x470 Gaming Plus. The guide above says to get 8gb, but the MSI website doesn't list any compatible RAM that are 4gb x 2 dual channel. It looks like most are 8gb x 2. Has anyone used this mobo? What RAM are you using?

>Are you seriously complaining about what stock cooler you get
Yes because the stock cooler that came with the 1600 was actually good for even light OC.
Personally I run X370 + 1600 with NH-U14S but many people here bought B350 + 1600 builds using the great stock cooler which gives you incredible value.

>somehow amd requires a $80 cooler to overclock
Just fuck off you brain damaged illiterate shill. You mongoloid fuck can't even read. I said $50 and that's a reasonable amount for a very good cooler for high OC.
>yet intel gets 1 ghz on its stock cooler
More shilling. Stock cooler is fine for the 8400. It's a budget i5, not an i7.
>Chose the cheapest one, decent b360s aren"t much cheaper
Straight up lie. You did not chose the cheapest parts. You chose Z370 because you wanted to skew the price difference. Fuck off.
>mobo lacks vrm cooling
>VRM cooling
>stock
Pure autism.
>How does any of this make you not look like a massive shill?
How does any of this make YOU not look like a massive shill?

Market segmenting inherently depreciates.
The 8400 used to be the hexacore locked chip but now it's the slow hexacore locked chip because it loses 2/3 of its segment and becomes depreciated for that market which is the same thing that happened to all of Skylake even though they are otherwise functionally the same as Kaby Lake processors
I would get 16GB once you have that high of a budget

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given its on the QLV

>It's a budget i5
its 6 cores it has power consumption equivalent to a 7700k at stock

>VRM cooling doesn't matter
the sate of intel shills

>Personally I run X370 + 1600
le based ryzen user standing up to all those intel users telling people to buy ryzen

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>intel users telling people to buy ryzen
Hmmmm i wonder why?

>You are so new that i doubt you can recall how Jow Forums reacted to the 290x launch 5 years ago.
speak for yourself. i remember it clearly especially the jet engine memes

Why doesn't pcpartpicker integrate a QVL filter? Or do they feel that would bar too many good/decent products out and it wouldn't be fair to them?
Also how dies pcpartpicker make money? Is it like one of those, use this link and I'll get a share of the profits?

I cant beleive the fucking nonsense from you. Every recent generation had the exact 3 sku models for the locked i5. Learn what fucking deprecated means seriously. Your opinions dont deprecated a sku, the oem does with new skews or dropping support for them like the i9. Also your opinions are shit, you are a shill, your mental gymnastics to back up your false claim is retarded and you should piss off

>I remember it but i ca- i mean wont tell anything about it

>BUY INTEL RRRREEEEEEE

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You know you are btfo when you give up and start meming. Google what deprecation in software and hardware means maybe you could learn something. Try to differentiate deprecated and depreciated

>>intel users telling people to buy ryzen
>Hmmmm i wonder why?
>being behind 10 layers of ironic shilling