/pcbg/ - PC Building General

want to replace my r9 270x sapphire GPU with something better at about $300

Anything decent or are gpu prices just to high still?

I'm buliding a cheap itx box for a friend that's mostly for internet/movies and maybe light gaming, so I'm thinking about going for raven ridge apu, so here's 3 questions i'm not sure about.
A320 vs B350 ? Unlikely to be doing any overclocking anyway(stock cooler/tight itx build/reliability), so is there any reason to go for b350 ? Futureproofing is only thing I can think of.
Memory speed, while i realise that it's crucial for igpu performance, at what point does it stop being cost effective ? A high quality ddr4 kit is gonna cost more than entire platform.
What about intel ? I don't think it's price competitive at this price range, buying a gt1030 or some nonsense gpu seems pointless and limits choices for itx cases, this one is gonna be as small as possible.

what should my next upgrades be? RAM for sure, looking for some suggestions, will most likely get a new CPU as well, been playing Rust more recently and noticed i hit 95%+ CPU and RAM usage in game so I definitely need to do something about that

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Is now a good time to buy gpus? 1080s are being sold on Newegg for ~550

why are there only shit brands for m.2 2242 ssds? I'm trying to replace the ssd in my chromebook but I see no decent replacements.

i'd go for a used 4770 non-k, investing in a ryzen or i5 8400 and ddr4 over haswell doesn't really make all that much sense
you'd have to pay $150 for the cpu and another 30-40 for another 8gb stick of generic ddr3 as opposed to ~400 total for ryzen 5/coffee lake i5, mobo, ram

>r9 270x sapphire GPU with something better at about $300
I believe it's currently hard to find even anything equal to that card at that price point.

Looking to upgrade our old Cisco. We can't use ethernet cables, and we're limited to the following options. Which of the following has the best Wireless connectivity?

Asus
>RT-AC88U (AC3100)
>AC87U (AC2400)
>RT-AC3200
>RT-AC5300
>GT-AC5300 (ROG)

Netgear
>X6 AC3200
>X8 AC5300
>R7000 AC1900

Linksys
>WRT 32X
>AC5400 MU-MIMO
>WRT 3200ACM
>Velop AC6600 (3 pieces)

TP-Link
>AC5400 (the one with 9 antennas)

D-Link
>AC5400 (red pyramid)

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Need a fileserver PC with 6 SATA HDD support. Recommend me something

is it still a shitty time to buy a new pc? mine has been dead for a few months, and I can't really handle waiting much longer. i want to try to capitalzie on some memorial day sales, but there doesn't seem to be anything that good.

with new gpus on the horizon in a couple months, are current gen cards a bed investment? how much more powerful will they be?

wait for 8 core coffeelake and cheaper ram prices

in 2020

I'd you need a PC now, build a PC now. What sort of monitor are you using? If you're not sure about committing to a new card that could be superceded in the next few months, you could always get a secondhand GTX 970 to tide you over.

Great. I would get the X470 Ultra you posted, the P400, a Focus Plus Gold 750W (the G3 is fine but SeaSonic is better) and this kit
pcpartpicker.com/product/Nqp323/gskill-memory-f43200c16d16gvrb

>home server
>Ryzen 2400G
Can I get away with 2400MHz ram?

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131733&ignorebbr=1
The Red Devil model Vega56 for $500...
That's a fast V56 which boosts to 1526 out of the box.
But memory is only fucking 800mhz.

I guess if I'm getting a Vega56, I should wait for the Strix price drop if any.
But I'd really prefer one with Samsung memory that I can get to at least 1050MHz if I'm getting any Vega.

>pcpartpicker.com/list/4d2jHh
CL16 is very slow for 3000 Memory.
Should be looking at CL15 for 3000 and CL16 for 3200 or better. I would not consider anything less.
Though that price is pretty good.. so meh maybe just get it anyway.
>Gigabyte Vega
DO NOT BUY GIGABYTE AMD CARDS.
I think Nvidia ones are shit too. But especially their AMD ones.
Gigabyte Vega cards have an HBM cooling issue and are unstable.
Get the Red Devil one instead.
And get a 650W platinum PSU instead. The Seasonic goes on sale for $80-$90 like all the time.

Why 1080p with Vega? get 1440p.
Oh your budget I guess.
Meh just get like a 75-90hz monitor and upgrade later then. Save some money in the mean time.
And get a cheaper SSD like the MX500, WD Blue.
There are slightly cheaper boards that are still good.
I think there are 2600X+Motherboard bundles to save money as well.

It's not good.

Dunno the Strix, Pro, and Master model of boards were all $140 on launch but then jumped in price due to their popularity I guess.

Good time to buy a 1070Ti if you must get Nvidia, but not a 1080 for $550 when you can get 1070Ti for $450, Vega56 for $480-$500 + FC5, or Vega64 for $600.
1070Ti and Vega56 are both 93-95% 1080 performance for cheaper, and Vega64 outperforms it plus Freesync benefit for only slightly more money.

It's a pretty good time to make a 1080p PC. You can get 16GB of Ram, 2600X, RX570, good PSU and SSD, all for under $1000.
It's only the RAM prices that are atrociously bad. GPU prices are just slightly bad now. SSD prices are actually good.

What is the cheapest setup for 144hz 1440p?

Is it feasible with a 1500 budget?

If you go for a 2700x you could get a 1080, it comes with a decent stock cooler
au.pcpartpicker.com/list/4Hqwgw
The Enthoo Pro M, P400S and Meshify C are great, if you want a cheaper one the Focus G and P300

Is the monitor included in the budget?

For non gaming, yeah 2400-2666 is good.''

I'd also suggest if you're doing 1080p to simply save $260 by getting the RX570 Strix if it's still $240. That's not a bad price given that it's a very good model of 570.

No CPU+GPU combo, not even 5.2Ghz 8700k and Titan V or a watercooled 1080Ti, will gaurantee 144fps minimum in any game. Not at 1440p, not at 1080p either. Some games are just shittily programmed. They often aren't made to run over 60 or 120fps. They are often memory latency bottlenecked.

Come back with more realistic espectations or the games you SPECIFICALLY want 1440p in.

>Is it feasible with a 1500 budget?
No. You can see the comments I made on 's build to make a 1440p build for close to that. I think with monitor you're still going to be around $1800.

I'll put a build together actually...

WoW, FFXIV, Bless, Dota2, BDO.

MMOs mostly. I want the highest graphics quality, fidelity and frame rate I can get in raids, cities and large scale pvp

Ideally yes but I'd be willing to go up a few hundred but definitely not over $2000.

I run XIV on an RX480, a locked 60fps constantly at maxed out settings on 1080p.

I have the 8gb version but i haven't seen more than 2 or 3gbs of memory usage so you could save some money there.

An RX570 or 3gb 1060 would be fine for you.

With a 1070ti OCed, is it worth it to get a 144hz monitor or should i stick to 60-75 hz if gaming at 1440p?

You need OCed 1080 Ti or even a Titan V for 1440p@144Hz

I recently got a 2700x with a AMD X470 AORUS motherboard. When I put everything together and booted it up for the first time, I noticed the temps behaving very erratically. After a while I found out why. Something the motherboard pumps up the voltage to 1.5v, even on idle. So I'm going to set the voltage manually. My question is what voltage would be sufficient for stock 2700x clock speeds and would also be enough to enable the precision boost?

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Gigabyte's Load Line Calibration is retarded so voltage will only go up (as much as +0.15V) as load increases. If you use the Auto LLC setting your load voltage will be around 0.1V higher than the Vcore you manually set.

I'm not very knowledgable about this stuff user. Around what Vcore should I set it?

RX570 will get you around 100fps in FFXIV, iirc.
I get a solid 60 minimum on my 7970.
But MMOs aren't the most optimized game. The most you can expect is a solid 60 minimum, jumping to 144 only in areas without many draw calls.
My friend got an RX580 and he gets 150+ in Dota2.

BDO is quite well threaded. You want a 2600X. Intel CPUs also have a stuttering problem in that game. But your FPS still won't be 144 in crowded towns with 100+ people on screen, m8.

Oh, but you said 1440p. So yeah you'll want a Vega56 or 1070Ti. Likely the former with that Nixeus model, I think it's around $420 Freesync and the same panel as a $600 Acer Gsync that trap poster linked in the previous thread.

>pcpartpicker.com/user/oshirigami/saved/WKRQVn
My recommended 1440p build for those, which would also be my general 1440p recommendation.
HURRY AND BUY CASE BEFORE SALE ENDS THO.

This is obviously higher than your budget, because 1440p, but it's what you asked for.

For ALL games, you can't set your expectations higher than like 75fps or even 60 at a minimum. Some are just shittily programmed and no amount of hardware can help them.

Is there an updated BIOS for it? Contact Gigabyte support.

Wait is this why OCing on Gigabyte boards always seems to take an extra 0.1V for the same chip for what it took in a good ASUS board?

I guess I should have specifieda bit more clearly but I already have a gaming PC with the 1070 in it. My CPU/Mobo combo is over 5 years old. I'm just buying a new CPU, Mobo and RAM so its all compatible and thought that since I would have to basically remove my entire PC, I'd get a new case since my current one isnt good with all the stuff i have in it now.
But thank you for the response. I was looking at the Enthoo Pro and the Meshify C already and they seem to be the clear winners so I will research further into those. Was also unaware about the P400S so again will add it to my list. Thanks user.

Same case as in . It's a nice case assuming you don't need 3.5" and 5.25" legacy drives.

Save yourself some money and get a 2600X and that same board in that parts picker as well. It comes with a cooler which isn't much worse than the 212 Evo.
RAM you chose already is fine.

Try 1.2875V (this will put Vcore under load at 1.36~1.38V), and run Prime95 version 26.6 small FFT benchmark to confirm stability

Alright, I will give that a try, thank you user.

Is it worth the extra money to go 1070 instead of a 1060 6Gb?
Im not a "gamer" and have no gaming screens etc. But want nice graphics and a little bit of future proof. Dont know if my moniter can go higher then 1080p.
Currently Im on a Radeon HD7870 so it's time to upgrade soon.

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Cool. Thanks user. Not too familiar with Ryzen but I will look into it.

>Is it worth the extra money to go 1070 instead of a 1060 6Gb?
No.
It's generally not worth paying more money for a 1060 6GB over an RX570 4GB as well, unless you only play a few 5 year old Nvidia favored games like GTAV, as well.

If a Vega64 AIB partner model is 945MHz memory stock specs, it should be Samsung, shouldn't it?
Or are mad men running 945MHz on Hynix HBM?

>Already have the GPU
I'm not sure how I missed that, no problem user

Looking at buying 3000 or 3200 MHz RAM for a Ryzen build.

what should I be looking for in terms of the timings? Which number is most important?

I have various ones in my budget:
>3000MHz 15 - 17 - 17 - 35
>3000MHz 16 - 20 - 20 - 38
>3200MHz 16 - 18 - 18 - 38 - 2N (Why does this have an extra number?)
>3000MHz 15 - 17 - 17 - 35
>3000MHz 15 - 17 - 17 - 35

These are Corsair Vengeance kits, except for one which is G.Skill Trident Z

I would get this, with a 2700x it would be $2003
pcpartpicker.com/list/PgNBLJ
Check the Microcenter bundles and if possible get the Prime X470-Plus

First number is most important.
Then the 2nd and 3rd.
4th is FAIRLY meaningless.

I would not get the 2nd one.
All others seem to be likely the same exact memory dies, with one of them clocked higher stock, and the only difference would be whether they are dual rank or not.
So get which is cheapest of the other 4, unless one of them is dual rank and not too much more.

>Dual Rank

What does this mean? All of them are 2x 8Gb Kits

ebuyer.com/772381-g-skill-trident-z-16gb-kit-ddr4-3200mhz-ram-f4-3200c16d-16gtzb

Any issues with this kit?

Stupid question, what is the best GPU I can buy new for 150€ to pair with an i5 6400 and 8GB RAM? I want to play somewhat recent games on 1080p 60fps, I don't mind lower settings. I don't care about power consumption, but fan stop feature would be great.

You know G.Skill has for AMD kits right?

It means the bus (is this the right word for it?) of the DIMM is doubled.
AMD memory controllers especially like dual rank and always have, especially for APUs but regular CPUs as well, but Intel likes it a bit as well.

Dual rank is extremely rare when it comes to DDR4 memory, though. I think only Crucial and high end G.Skill have it. But I could be wrong.
Only way to figure out if it's dual rank or not is usually to check PDF of specs from manufacturers site.

RX560 or 1050Ti depending on whether you play newer games or older games, and depending how much cheaper the RX560 is than the 1050Ti.
Make sure you get 1024 shader units/CUs RX560.

Ryzen 2000 series memory controller is good enough that it'll run any 3000 or 3200 kit, pretty much.

I am guessing I should definitely be going for the 4GB versions? In that case the 560 is around 30€ cheaper, pretty much exactly 150€.
That helps me already, thank you.

buy a 1080 now or wait for 1180?

You could get 2GB if it's a lot cheaper. But to only save like 15 euro, not worth it.
There's a good deal of games now days using 2.5-3.5gb of RAM, though. So for 2GB you'd have to turn textures down to "medium" or "high" instead of "max/highest".

More VRAM doesn't make a card faster by itself... but if a game demands more VRAM than you have available, that WILL slow it down.
Similar to the way with CPU RAM, if you don't have enough your computer uses the page file on your drive to store memory and move in and out of RAM. If you run out of VRAM, it uses your CPU RAM which is slower. And how much that slows you down besides on the memory bandwidth, to be able to move things in and out of VRAM at the same time the core is accessing VRAM.
So less VRAM tends to mean you'll have to spend more time fiddling with settings to keep it under 2GB and keep performance consistent.

Buy Vega64 if in the US, m8. Only $50 more than 1080 prices at the moment.

how much does running a second display tax your system? I'd like to be able to run games at 1440p but still have my browser and stuff available on another screen

Almost not at all by itself.
Just depends on what you're doing on the other screen.
If you're watching videos, well it depends how good your cpu/gpu/igpu is at decoding.

Not worth it at all, especially if you're only at standard 1080p
It's not going to be noticable

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I'd like to maybe have a twitch stream opening occasionally but mostly just reference sites for games I'm playing or general browsing

>pcpartpicker.com/user/Niaomini/saved/RNxBP6

i want 2200G in micro ATX format with 8 gigs of ram
it will be a general purpose PC
i also wanted a case that will be small and with motherboard placed horizontally _ instead of vertically |

what do you guys think ?
no i don't want Intel i alredy have one

also ASRock A320M vs ASRock AB350M ?

What CPU do you have?
Older iGPU like i5-2500k can't keep up with twitch decode.

Though I think a newer GPU would handle it. And Ryzen 6+ core have so much overkill multithreading performance that they can just brute force CPU decode 1080p@60 without you noticing.
Not sure if newer dGPU do video decode at the same time as gaming. They PROBABLY do. Dedicated video decoding on GPU is a relatively new thing but for newer hardware most things seem to "just work".

So for most circumstances, you'll be fine unless you have a really old CPU and GPU.

Looks good, but get faster memory like this kit here:
pcpartpicker.com/product/p4cMnQ/patriot-viper-4-8gb-2-x-4gb-ddr4-3000-memory-pv48g300c6k

Also, B350 is MUCH better than A320

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for gaming included in general purpose? b350 obviously. And RAM is too slow then...

Or do you just mean this is like grandma's desktop to play online casino games? Then it looks fine. You could get a cheaper PSU though and even 400w would be excessive.

do we have a date for the 1180tis? yet? im STILL waiting...

i wonder if we'll get a mini 1180ti. did we ever get a mini 1080ti?

Still no date.
Zotac has a mini but it still has 2 fans so it isn't quite as mini as a mini 1060
They also made a mini waterblock card but I think that was aluminum

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i care more about the pcb length as i plan to chuck a d15 on it.

Nothing will ever be so cute. Don't even dream.

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Still looking around for a good used R9 Nano because my 1050ti is a bit slow and I don't think the 1070 and 1060 mini versions would fit my mITX case. Not having extra power connectors is a nice thing on the 1050ti though.

i don't really play games, especially new ones
maybe skyrim or space engeneers is most demanding game from my steam library

also i just realized that this mobo does not have video output, or am i just blind ?

ahh sorry i copy pasted wrong one

Thanks, gonna drop my thoughts of 1070 then and look at RX 570 cards too.
Seems to be best bang for the bucks.

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Fractal Meshify C for my next build, yay or nay lads?

Why would you do a D15 instead of one of those super long aftermarket GPU heatsinks?
Felix is cute!
Go for it

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>Why would you do a D15 instead of one of those super long aftermarket GPU heatsinks?
it seems to be a good cooler. idk, if you can find something quieter than a d15 im all ears. actually i tried chucking a r9 390 cooler on my 1060 but the heatpipes made it not fit so i threw the card in the bin

Qt!
What's her name?

really? thats a guy

Is there any consensus on what to for when looking for a big quiet case? Define XL R2 has been around for ages at this point - surely there's something newer in the same niche.

i have one, its right next to me. I love it but im going to get some risers for the glass panel. whoever decided on the width was a fool

>Morpheous II, m8.
Or is that only for AMD?
I know Nvidia aftermarket cooler market isn't quite as good since their reference PCBs are less good, but idk.

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>"Her"
>Cleraly says 男 to the left
Felix Argyle.
Related to topic, The Strix mitx AM4 has 2 m2 slots. Will having 2 m2 ssd's slow down the gpu since pci lanes are limited?

Probably not as much cooling power but at least you are able to mount these coolers using the default mounting holes (with a D15 you would need to invent your own way), and they also come with mini heatsinks for memory/VRMs
raijintek.com/en/products_detail.php?ProductID=46
They have a very wide compatibility and work on basically every card you can find

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thats not how it works. the x470 chipset as well as the cpu support x number of pcie lanes regardless of the layout. 16 for gpu slot, 4 x 2 for m.2 slots.

its no issue for me, making mounts is easy. as for the heatsinks i think ill just add some copper stick on ones to the vrm or build my own heatsink for it

looks sick. yeah nvidias pcb are shit. i miss amd cards

Which coffee lake cpu and gpu should I get to comfortably play? 1080

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Ryzen 2600 or a i3-8100 paired with a 1050ti.

Ryzen chips have 24 usable PCIe lanes, so a dGPU (16) + dual M.2 (4/4) would work perfectly. Even if you did cut the card's lanes down to 8 it should run just as well
You don't need coffee lake lol
Basically anything would be fine for that

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>3-8100
fuck off moron

If you want to raid get an overclocked 8600k or a 8700 (non k) imo and pair it with a 1060 6 or a 1070 for more future proof

Isint mitx kind of lane starved since it's smaller? It only has 1 pci express for gpu but still one m2 slot is 4x3 and one is 4x2 I think, so using 2 nvme ssd's would bottleneck the ssd in the slower slot? Or is the bottleneck in the strixx riser card?
rog.asus.com/articles/maximus-motherboards/bring-ryzen-to-mini-itx-with-rogs-strix-x370-i-and-b350-i-gaming-motherboards/
itx with 2 m2 slots is kind of rare..

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Motherboards do not determine how many lanes you have, the CPUs all have the same (24) which can do a GPU and 2 x4 M.2s.

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What is a quiet PSU?

I'm build a AMD Ryzen home server system. 2400G. It'll have a number of Hard Drives for data. It'll be always on. Unfortunately, I don't have a huge house, so nowhere to hide it far away due to noise.

Probably only needs to be about 400-500W

Something gold rated with an eco/fanless mode:
pcpartpicker.com/product/bkp323/seasonic-focus-plus-gold-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550fx
Or you could go true fanless but it's expensive:
pcpartpicker.com/product/fBXfrH/seasonic-power-supply-ss400fl2

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why are there so many amd shills in these threads?

Frens

What are some decent cases around 100 european freedom bucks?

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And they're all feminized sissy bois. What's up with that? I mean id buy everything AMD if It got me a sissy boy to love and cuddle.

Thanks babes.