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If you're interested, here's Noctua's page
noctua.at/en/tdp-guide
Don't blame the feature for bad devs
D15 or 280mm AIO would be optimal for a 2700/X OC
Do you wanna pound mine too?

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I know it’s the longest of long shots, but I’m seriously hoping that the GPU division gets some of the same love that the cpu division got with Ryzen, and comes out with something that’s at least competitive. It seems to me that with the infinity fabric and the memory speed of HBM2 that they would be able to put several interconnected chips on a single card for pretty cheap and be able to at least approach nVidia.

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I just got a MSI X370 SLI Plus, a 2600 Ryzen 5 and Trident Z 3200CL14 RAM and the RAM seems to be broken.
I updated my BIOS to use the 2600 on it, the RAM is listed as compatible with my board but it wont boot into BIOS. Nothing attache but psu, CPU with cooler, GPU and RAM. Keyboard and monitor also.
Ripjaws V 3200mhz work just fine even tho they arent listed as compatible and the RAM also doesnt work with an AMD 1600 on a B350 MSI Gaming plus.
I tried underclocking to 2133 and 2933mhz and setting the standard timings, latency and voltage by hand to no avail and also the a-xmp and test it feature of the board. I did the BIOS config using the Ripjaws RAM i borrowed. Is there anything else i can try to get the RAM working or is it dead for good?

You will probably have to RMA your memory
I always recommend getting a board with a POST code indicator or debug LEDs at the very least

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D15 should be good

Ah yeah right, debug LEDs are a thing and out of Boot, VGA, DRAM and CPU the DRAM and CPU are on. After flashing the BIOS and inserting the Ripjaws it does that too. First just CPU, shortly after also DRAM, then it quickly jumps to VGA and then enters BIOS. So i guess before having succesfully checked the parts it lights up and after initialising or whatever they go out so i thought there might be a chance to just tweak the settings and make it work.
By the way, it also does that with only one or the other stick attached.
Like i dont want to rma it, wait a week, get fucked up the poop chute with cost associated to sending it back and receiving new RAM that has the same issue. Unfortunately i dont know anyone with a ddr4 Intel platform to test that one.

sticky says logicalincrements, of course shill post never mentions it...

Aight, I’ve had not enough sleep so it’s time to get back to my pc build that I was working on in the last thread. I just won a bid on EBay for a used 8 gig Radeon RX580 GPU, probably a lil beefier than I need, but I’m hoping it’ll last me a while. For processing and motherboard, I’m going with this combo:
newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3793284
And the rest:
pcpartpicker.com/user/BrainletAnon/saved/LyhWXL
Second draft build complete, everything look in order? Someone told me last night that the Patriot memory cards suck, any way to quantify that claim?

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Logicalincrements can't keep up with price changes and advice is questionable from the start
Don't buy the case fans and instead get a 2x8 of memory

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D15 FOR TR4 WHEN???

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BUT MUH GAYMEN

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REEEEEEEE I WANT IT TOO

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I would pound both your smooth sissy butts.

How stupid am I to think I could get all of this for near $2000?

You can ignore the CPU/GPU I'll wait for the new GPUs that will be released in probably a few months and reassess my CPU choice then.

Build is for gaming/programming.

Any advice?

pcpartpicker.com/list/7tdcHh

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Is the AMD Ryzen 5 decent for gaming, or should I go with Intel?

The extra $40-50 is kinda making me cringe, how much of a bump in casual gaming performance can I expect?

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When is mavi supposed to be coming? Early 2019?

Yes. Most likely not.

I need recommendations! recommendations for CPU coolers under $50!

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hyper 212 evo

Hyper T4, hands down.

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If you were to buy now:
8700K/Z370
Faster memory
Full modular Gold rated PSU
XB271HU

But of course in the future prices/releases could change things up. Definitely take the PSU advice though
Allows you to run other applications while gaming like browser tabs (with 8GB it would be quite a it slower) or do other tasks like file transfer
212 Evo, U12S

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Hehe whoops
I upgraded my pc from Intel to amd and now the drivers are fucked

I should've expected that

Dark Rock 3 Silent Wings is on sale for $54 right now.

Daily reminder that based i5 8400 shits on every ryzen cpu and OP is a shill

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Hm, ok. Guess I’ll just bite the bullet on that one too. Are these a good brand? No ratings so I can’t tell.
pcpartpicker.com/product/mc98TW/team-vulcan-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-2400-memory-tlred416g2400hc14dc01

>Locked SKU shitting on anything
>CPU with TIM on it shitting on anything
Kek.

>muh gaymes

Not happening. It's sad but the truth.
AMD was going under without ryzen, ATI side of them only gave them losses over the years, for example the reason they needed HBM was due to a necessity of bandwidth for their memory which was very expensive thus making said architectures less lucrative if not straight out losses in certain areas.
AMD better just focus on their integrated graphics area for now because those are winners on multiple areas.
From laptops, consoles to straight out pcs they mantain the hegemony in performance per watt when we talk about graphics to the point even intel is making business with the and they do need the cash.
Hopefully their server market also bos with epyc and threadripper so they can secure a stable source of income

How is this benchmark even fair?

8 core overclocked to 4.2ghz with 3400mhz RAM
vs
6 core at 2.8ghz - 4ghz with 2666mhz RAM

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It should work but consider this faster kit
pcpartpicker.com/product/Nqp323/gskill-memory-f43200c16d16gvrb

To be honest, two years ago anyone would have laughed you out of the room for suggesting that AMD would release a chip that would force intel to drop prices and finally put out mainstream 6 and 8 core chips. At this point, I refuse to believe that anything is impossible.

Unlocked CPU vs locked CPU. Plus you'd need a Z370 motherboard to use faster memory

They're fine, this 3000 kit is prob the best value
pcpartpicker.com/product/DHPzK8/team-vulcan-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-tlgd416g3000hc16cdc01
2600 is 6c/12t you silly

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So shouldn't they use an unlocked CPU like the 8600k then?
And if I bought a new PC now, buying a Z370 mobo wouldn't be an issue.

Oh you're right, I forgot.

>fair

Life isn’t fair, kiddo. Intel was paying off reviewers and software conpanies for years to paint their products in a favorable light. Was that fair? Intel is just getting a does of its own medicine and it can’t fucking deal. Besides, the chips are comparable in price, it isn’t AMDs fault that intel are greedy likes and the 8400 can’t be overclocked or use the faster ram.

Any reason for the XB271HU is it superior?

Looks a big too gamey for me to be honest.

They're being compared because they're in the same price range

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Platform cost for 8600K is much higher and Z370 is gonna be dead when Z390 releases
Cheapest in its category by $100 (they're all the same panel and all have the same issues) for the time being

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Who's the one on the right

Just give me a mail or something, slut. I'll give you what you're loking for, perverted sissy bitch. You keep teasing with such perverted pictures I can't compare hardware with a boner.

They both retail for the same price though it's on a slightly higher sale right now both are near $100 off.

8600K is $220 with the superbiiz sale
2600X $200
2600 is $180
And Z370 is like $80 more than B350
Delid has costs too with liquid metal and whatever you decide to delid with

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I can buy a refurbished 1080Ti a little below MSRP. Should I?

Do you have money to blow?

Is it safe to buy a GPU on ebay? Can I get a refund or be reimbursed if the seller sells a fake card or something like that? I am really unfamiliar with the platform and am hesitant to drop a lot of money there unless I know there are some buyer protections.
Also, I have $250 at most to spend on a graphics card. What is the best thing I can get?

don't

I just got a PowerColor Radeon RX580 8 gig card for $250, there were more of them on auction, too. Can’t tell you much more because I haven’t done a lot of buying with eBay myself.

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How the Fuck does precision boost 2 work in Ryzen master for me and my 2700x on x470 it's greyed out and says it's coming later?

Gigabyte?

Old old replies but whatever..

>what's the model name of your monitor?

acer xz321qu

Horrible (panel) monitor, do not recommend for anyone. I got it on sale at least, but getting rid of it will be a hard task.

I could list whats wrong with it forever but its faster to just give the pros. Build quality and design are decent, the osd is good and the packaging featured plastic handles.

>Yes, VA has worse color than IPS. But better black levels usually.
>As far as I'm aware, though, newer VA > TN in every way.

Colors are decent at the best on like 50% + brightness level, trouble is that I get eye cancer above 10% and white objects wash away everything around it. My old aoc g2460pf is more satisfying to look at with only 5% brightness level.

The acer do still get its black levels right

Asrock k4
Latest version of Zen Master
Doesn't worry me much as it idles at 4ghz and boosts to 4.3 as it should

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You're right, not the same price point at all
Water cooling + fast memory + nice mobo for the 2600X, which probably puts it at an extra 50% cost. You could get an 8700 or an 8600K for that price which would both btfo the R5

Not the same price point
Have to pay for water cooling, B350 with good VRMs or X370/X470, more expensive memory.
At that price you could get a better Intel CPU and the R5 loses again

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You can see that for a normal OC without that fast memory the R5 is still behind
Price/perf still sucks because of expensive cooling and memory

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>6 core at 2.8ghz
>2.8 ghz
No one has ever benched the 8400 at stock its at its all core turbo of 3.8ghz

b-b-b-but what about the delid memes!?!

>take away things that make ryzen better then ryzen is worse
whoa, if only the 8700k was only 3.7 ghz, then it would be worse but its ok when intel does it™

Water cooling is a meme and Tomahawk b350 is more than enough

>normal OC
4.2 is its all core turbo, not an overclock, gold sample 2700x can do 4.5 ghz all core similar to how 5.2 ghz is a gold sample 8700k. In reality that is benchmark of a 2700x with shit ram and 0 overclock meanwhile utmost care is taken to make intel look better including gold sample cpus

>Have to pay for water cooling
No you don't, a U12S does perfectly fine
>B350 with good VRMs or X370/X470
Most of thosoe are significantly cheaper than similar Intel boards
>more expensive memory
They both use the DDR4

Just built an Intel system for a bud of mine, and i'm sure you can get better performance at similar price points if you're not into any productivity, but those arguments are kind of shit, user

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Water cooling on ryzen is a meme

Water cooling will universally be nothing but a meme as long as Noctua exists.

I just bought a Thermaltake Commander G42 Window Mid-Tower Chassis for $125US. Did I do good guys?

>Have to pay for water cooling
if 4ghz on stock cooling is possible at 60c then 4.2 is also possible, of course this is coming from the same einstein that thinks you can't overclock on a spire stealth.

>B350 with good VRMs
literally doesnt matter

You are a shill.

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Yes, getting shit on eBay is pretty good, but don't get items with stcok photos, these are probably fake, get something someone is selling and it's clear that these are their photos.
I got a 660ti for 80€, which is a little more than what I should have paid (70€ max imo, but here you can't get these for cheap unles you are lucky of the sleer doesn't remove your bid). I also have a 7970 I got for 90€ coming today or tomorrow.
If it doesn't work you can send it back or just ask for a refund and get a free paperweight.
Also, I'd try to get a 980ti or a 1060 6GB/580 8GB for that price on eBay, I guess it should be easier to get on USA.

2600 is $10 more expensive yeah, but nothing else fits better in the 8400 price range

A little too expensive

>buy intel cpu
>has planned obsolesence built in
>becomes a turbohousefire within 3-5 years

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pcgamer.com/intels-tells-core-i7-7700k-owners-to-stop-overclocking-to-avoid-high-temps/

Does anyone still make direct-on-die waterblocks anymore? I remember MSI had a delid bracket on their Z170 MPower motherboards for a similar reason.

>MSI had a delid bracket on their Z170 MPower motherboards for a similar reason.
intel shills would rather you get fucked and ignore the issue than actually acknowledging it as a problem, or you could just get amd and not worry about deliding

I don't want to waste time with garbage

there is one on kickstarter iirc, or maybe another plataform of those

I remember all this crying about the TIM back in 2013 but my 4770k still is at the same load temps.
Also back then AMD CPUs were pure shit.

the Scythe Grand Kama Cross 3 rev B seems to perform better than it for $10 cheaper

Well i don't live in burgerland. So the shop I brought it from shipped it from the states.

How much is it in America? (Everywhere I search it's sold out so I can't see the price.)
If it's $80+US for something that is 15+pounds and I bought it over here for 120us, well I consider that a victory.

kickstarter.com/projects/341758082/ncore-v1-naked-die-cooling-waterblock-designed-by?lang=es

Did I just brick my brand new gpu?

I bought an evga 1060 3gb and it ran completely fine, but I tried ocing it a TINY bit (like +10 to my core clock and that was it), then ran my gayme but all of a sudden it went all glitchy crashy and that was that. But after returning the settings to default and restarting my computer it still is glitchy. The screen just looked completely fucked.

I uninstalled the nvidia drivers using my onboard gpu since I couldn't see shit with the new one and when I replugged it in and all it looks absolutely fine. The only thing is this is without drivers. When I tried reinstalling the nvidia drivers it went back to being a glitchy shit mess. This has never happened to me before, usually minimal overclocking doesn't fucking wreck a gpu instantaneously.

I guess my only choice is to RMA it and get a new one? This is weird as hell.

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have you tried using drivers other than the newest one? Nvidia has been known to have shit drivers for the past couple years

It's Memorial Day. Anyone find any good Memorial Day sales?

>IC graphite thermal pad not available on canadian amazon
>canadian amazon prime doesn't transfer to american amazon

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Well, ok, then Jow Forums. I'm biting the bullet and finally building a new PC. I already have all the components except the CPU and Mobo.

I'm getting a 2600 and want to buy an X470 Motherboard that will last me years, but I don't know which brand to choose. Is ASUS bios support really that much better than Gigabyte or ASRock? Is MSI really that shit? The price differences are go over 40 Euro, and in my slavshit currency it's even more painful.

So the questions are:
1) How bad is it that the M.2 is placed below the GPU heatsink and not above it (cheaper motherboards have it like that)?
2) Would I gain more in durability if I spend more money on a more expensive mobo that should last me 6+ years?
4) In terms of long-term BIOS support, how good are ASRock, MSI, Gigabyte, ASUS? Any botnets to be aware of?
5) How bad is SystemD? I don't know whether to install Debian or >Gentoo (I want to run my Windows installation as a VM)

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I did, and I found out as long as a driver is installed and the core clock/mem clock is running at any capacity, the screen will be glitchy as fuck after restarting.

Without drivers the clocks are at 0 which is why it looks fine without. This is fucking shit now I have to wait another week and a half for a new gpu.

well, I guess thats what you get for cheaping out on a 3GB GPU

SilentiumPC Fortis

Feels good to be europoor.

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Since manually overclocking Ryzen CPUs is pretty much pointless is there any real advantage performance wise of the high end x470 boards like the Gaming 7? I know the VRMs are better on the 7 vs. Ultra (which is the same on the 5?), but it's basically overkill right? Is there anything else I would need to consider?

Price difference isn't much of a concern for me, but there's no need wasting money if I can avoid it.

>I don't want to waste time with garbage
Then you aren't buying intel