We also have zeronet. But what's the best? If we all decided to get smart, what would be the best to use? I was thinking Zeronet. If I'm understand it right. It works in the same idea as a torrent does with how everyone shares a little bit of a site so it never really goes down.
what does Jow Forums think?
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Ipfs for static content
Tor is the only one of those that really tries to do anonymous webbrowsing. I2P is less popular, but it does a good job of hidden services. As far as I'm aware Freenet is basically dead - the devs are still working, but it doesn't seem to have any users. IPFS seems to be more focused towards being a content sharing protocol (anonymous bittorrent) than a service. I don't know much about Zeronet, but it sounds suspiciously buzzword-heavy.
I've been on Zeronet. I think it's a good idea, but the issue is that it would take too long for normies to catch on
I think Tor would be the best because it's the most mainstream and you won't stick out like a sore thumb.
As far as security goes, just don't do stupid shit like allowing javascript and you should be fine. You can also containerize and virtualize the shit out of it to make it even harder to compromise.
And that leeches don't seed the sites they visit and nobody seems to get the fucking point or how Zeronet functions.
I have a feeling that's how it would work more. I don't know much about it either. I've used it but never saw a point in it cause I could never get anyone to try it out.
>zeronet
Anonymity is not the same as Privacy. Zeronet claims Anonymity by using Tor but it does not claim Privacy. Anyone who thinks they have any Privacy, especially with how the project works, doesn't understand the project.
this makes a lot more sense, but what if you're behind a VPN, would you be more private?
Then whats the actual point of using it then?
Are you retarded? It's not anonymous if anyone can trivially access all content and post history.
Jesus fuck, Jow Forums is (brain)dead.
Only dumbass use Tor. You're being spied on by every three letter agency
nice try fbi, I'm not using your zerobotnet
I could totally see this being a thing. The FBI is watching us with VR goggles
That relies on people posting information that compromises their anonymity. I guess you could call it more psuedonoymity. It is possible to create a different profile for each site, it's just more work on the user.
Anonymity claims tend to be "unable to match it to an identity of a person" not "unable to match any two bits of information together". Nobody actually uses the strict definition.
Decentralized internet, harder to censor (assuming sites get enough seeds spread out). For example, no "seizing the domain of piratebay/stormfront" if everyone was hosting piratebay/stormfront.
>Zeronet
More like Botnet, everyone would know who sites you frequent with it. Not only your shitty isp and cia niggers.
Is hilarious how they privacy approach is "just use tor bro".
i2p is probably the only sane option.
I can't believe people are replying to this obvious shill thread...
Oh well, you really are retarded. And you haven't heard about statistical analysis, apparently.
Shill
Do you even know what that word means?
It could help sites stay up longer, I guess when you nwant to keep something running, they need to know there's a source somewhere. However when you can't see the source how can there be a string to follow? That made sense in my head.
Freenet works great for uploading static info such as books and leaked documents or forums. However, since this is not client-server architecture, you cannot for example create online shop out of it.
It's also too slow for normal use.
I2P relies on few private "DNS" servers that help to translate addresses to base64 keys. Owners of those servers not always want to include your website and you need to use full key address to reach it. It has popular C++ daemon so you don't have to use official Java system. I2P is fast enough to torrent, however it still may take a month to download few GiB game.
Tor is Tor. You setup hidden service by uncommenting two lines in config.
better them than my isp
>You're being spied on by every three letter agency
Thats correct but has nothing to do with Tor.
>use deepshit
I'm not pedos or diller.
There barely is any relevant content on those nets.
>What are rogues exit-nodes
Please be retarded elsewhere
>They now that someone is visiting $site
Every fucking site uses https so who cares if they now that a Tor user is visiting a site?
>Moving the goal post
They're doing it for years dumbass. Long before the https enforcement. And not every website is setting https by default in 2k18
>FreePizza
Thats well known and also stated on the Tor download page. It was an issue but there are nearly no sites without https anymore.
As mainstream as Tor is, you're still a minority that gets picked out by automated systems.
What is Jow Forums
> muh Darknet
Can this meme end?
There is no "dark net" or "deep web" or "dark web" or whatever you want to call it. It's just TCP/IP over x for x in ['tor','i2p','freenet','etc'].
I'd seed more sites if it wasn't for the ever looming risk of the party van.
Also tor upload is massively gimped.
Whats your point?
>And you haven't heard about statistical analysis, apparently
Better quit responding to me, retard.
Im just curious how far down the rabbit hole goes if at all. I know that the marine webs or whatever doesn't exist.
Just thought of something, has anyone tried to use freenet as a streaming servicce? music, videos, photos?
>zeronet
A literal pizza haven which is less secure than TOR, wow
>normies
Uh-huh
Tor is pretty secure as long as you avoid UDP.
Also for the love of god use it with a proxy. You're already using a tinfoil system, there's no reason not to go the extra meter.
0-net gives direct access to your local files. you're the one hosting those files too.
I won't waste my time reading the documentation. It's unsafe, proxy or not.
once I found this out, I deleted that shit from my PC
fuck off mate
Jow Forums does not publicly share identifiers that tie posts together to form an identity
>muh righting style
that requires a good bit more work than zerobotnet which hands you over on a silver plate
GNUnet is objectively best. Zeronet isn't secure.
>tfw consistently change up my writing style
Less trackable than the ultimate hackerman.
Now if only I could be bothered to change my filenames I'd be in the green.
>implying
Chances are your english isn't entirely perfect and you're making a few mistakes unique to you that can be used to identify you at some point.
i wouldn't ever not never make a mistake user-kunpai
nice try thoo
>Anonymity is not the same as Privacy
Anonymity is required to have privacy. Why would you use a non-private network?
I'm pretty sure you're the retard if you assume it's a good idea to use Tor2Web and expect it to not be surveiled, hidden services work alot different and does NOT utilize exitnodes. Get your shit together.
nani
Not exactly.
If someone knows who you are but has no idea what you're doing you still have privacy.
If someone sees what you do but has no identity to pin it to then you have anonymity.
>IPFS seems to be more focused towards being a content sharing protocol (anonymous bittorrent)
IPFS is NOT anonymous.
Imposssssssible to trassse
The ssssneaky cat
Read the fucking rules, faggit.
OK so for those of us who are dumb, can Jow Forums explain the difference so the rest of the class can understand
Regular internet access:
>connect to website or game network or torrent system
>everything along the chain sees what you access
>google and facebook and a billion "ad" networks collect the info for everything you do
>script and ad blockers can mitigate some of this
>but most sites require connections to services to function
>example: needing google connection to post on Jow Forums
>other example: needing to allow a dozen "ad" services to play a game on kongregate
Using a VPN/proxy (same thing):
>functionally the same as regular use
>but your access is encrypted straight from your computer or phone
>your ISP only sees encrypted data going in and out
>everything you access sees other people who've used that same VPN node (semi-random)
>you're still leaving browser/OS fingerprints but it's more secure and more private
TOR:
>functionally similar to a VPN
>your connection is encrypted and bounced through multiple "relay nodes" which act as individual proxies
>anyone can host a relay
>any relay can be an exit node
>anyone = government can and does
>without using a VPN your ISP sees access to the TOR network (but it's still encrypted)
>can be tracked if one person owns the first and last of three nodes, for example
>FBI has used this to find TOR users and Silkroad etc.
I2P/freenet:
Kind of the same deal as TOR with slightly different implementations
Zeronet:
>is essentially Torrenting but for websites
>everything you access gets downloaded and stored on your computer
>using it without a VPN is like live streaming your bedroom on youtube
>full of pizza and probably full of Three-Letter-Agencies
That's exactly what I thought zeronet was.
The deep web is nothing special your 12 year old faggot.
It's just a bunch of edgelords making edgy art projects to be cool. Sad thing is, I still casually browse pretty often. Nothing special about it though.
ZeroNet is the only reasonable solution, especially compared to ipfs.
It's got Tor integration out of the box.
It's decentralized (obviously).
It actually has some systems for content discovery (links on the home page, ZeroSites for listing websites).
It has a naming system via Namecoin so you don't always have to link people to fdsgh7gfh897dfgd6hgfd876hd.
It's actually aesthetically pleasing for once.
It's Windows client is so simple even an idiot could use it, just unzip and double click, it even opens the home page for you in a browser.
It's the only one you have any chance of getting anybody less than the most die hard Jow Forumstard to use.
My main concern is how ciaNiggers can dump a bunch of illegal shit on there then everybody hosting is committing a crime. Risky
so wouldn't that make you 12 as well user?
I heard that decentralized was a bad thing. Someone said they wanyed to start a new youtube or something like that but with a decentralized chain? I'm not entirely sure
I think if that's the case, we could prove that it's the way the program works and that there's likely a law or something against that. Plus, the CIA has better shit to do than lock up random dumbass'
>I think if that's the case, we could prove that it's the way the program works and that there's likely a law or something against that. Plus, the CIA has better shit to do than lock up random dumbass'
No thats not the issue, the issue is for whatever other reason your pc is taken to evidence and then the zeronet content screws you.
Also its a jury of normies not techies so you think they’ll understand zeronet network? No they’ll just see a male who the govt says has dirty stuff on his pc and you’re fucked.
>My main concern is how ciaNiggers can dump a bunch of illegal shit on there then everybody hosting is committing a crime.
This is a good point, there needs to be an option to have it only keep the files in ephemeral storage.
However there's already not an enormous danger of it, at least on ZeroMe you have to specifically opt in to downloading every single picture.
And in the US it's been ruled that having something in browser cache does not constitute possessing a copy of it so it's possible that if it went to court this would be ruled the same.
reminds me of the ep of Mission Hill where Kevin set the 7/11 on fire cause he was "manipulating himself to pornography"
>No they’ll just see a male who the govt says has dirty stuff on his pc and you’re fucked.
Except for when that doesn't happen:
robertslawteam.com/blog/2012/05/cached-images-not-illegal-as-possession-of-child-pornography.shtml
>And in the US it's been ruled that having something in browser cache does not constitute possessing a copy of it so it's possible that if it went to court this would be ruled the same.
Source? But really it has to be something where you dont even have to go to court.. because going to court to fight something like that is sometimes almost as bad as a conviction, for example george zimmerman isnt convicted for shooting a nog but he is millions in debt.
Still whatever internet alternative needs to be secure enough that they wont even have a reason to take you to court - going to court and the emberassment and $$$ is bad enough.
>But really it has to be something where you dont even have to go to court.
>they wont even have a reason to take you to court
Agreed, I think an ephemeral storage option is a must.
Still though, between the cache precedent that already exists and the fact that you have to being knowingly in possession (otherwise no website where you upload stuff could ever exist) I think they'd have a hard time getting you for it. There's also disk encryption.
>Someone said they wanyed to start a new youtube or something like that but with a decentralized chain? I'm not entirely sure
That sounds like it's not gonna work.
Video hosting requires a boatload of storage. There's a reason that youtube is bleeding money.
yeah but they are owned by elgoog so how are they doing that poorly? Honestly, their biggest mistake was trying to compete with netflix and hulu and on demand
>It's got Tor integration out of the box.
IPFS is modularized in a which makes plugging it into any kind of transport network easy. Tor included.
>It's decentralized (obviously).
If you don't know the difference between decentralized networks and distributed ones you should avoid talking about these topics.
>It actually has some systems for content discovery (links on the home page, ZeroSites for listing websites).
IPFS has too. RTFM.
>It has a naming system via Namecoin so you don't always have to link people to fdsgh7gfh897dfgd6hgfd876hd.
You can point a DNS record to an IPNS hash. Namecoin support is progressing but not a priority.
>It's actually aesthetically pleasing for once.
Yes, aesthetics are the most important aspect of distributed systems engineering.
>It's Windows client is so simple even an idiot could use it, just unzip and double click, it even opens the home page for you in a browser.
>Windows
>yeah but they are owned by elgoog so how are they doing that poorly?
That's kinda beside the point.
Making a decentralized youtube would require thousands of users all allocating very large chunks of their disks and bandwidth just in order to function properly.
Also, the only reason that google hasn't dropped youtube is because they want the monopoly on videos that it provides, honestly it would seem that until storage and bandwidth becomes better and cheaper large scale video hosting isn't viable.
>Yes, aesthetics are the most important aspect of distributed systems engineering.
>Windows
Yes, these things are indeed important if we want normalfags to join the fray and these sorts of networks to become viable.
Normies use hard-chains
clearnet-vpn-tor-vpn-zeronet
tor-vpn-clearnet
vpn-tor-i2p
No, the most important thing is to have a robust protocol and a solid base implementation of it in order to attract developers which will then use and grow the platform to build applications which will eventually attract normie users.
>IPFS is modularized in a which makes plugging it into any kind of transport network easy. Tor included.
Obviously you can feed it through Tor, did I ever say you couldn't? I just said ZeroNet had support for Tor by default.
>If you don't know the difference between decentralized networks and distributed ones you should avoid talking about these topics.
It occurred to me I fucked that up afterwards but I hoped I wasn't dealing with pedant patrol.
>IPFS has too. RTFM.
Can you introduce me to this please? I went looking for ipfs content discovery solutions and didn't find anything.
>Yes, aesthetics are the most important aspect of distributed systems engineering.
>>Windows
Here's a hint for you: Your "distributed systems engineering" doesn't matter a shit if nobody uses it and right now IPFS is unusable on Windows for anybody who isn't a programmer, sysadmin or similar. People like you are the reason this shit never takes off, you give us nigh unusable crap and go "Oh but it technically works!".
I had a large awkward file to send somebody the other day and I thought "Oh maybe I could use IPFS", then I remembered they were on Windows. I wrote out a guide for how to use it, which involved opening two terminals and typing about six console commands, realized I was going to sound like an annoying loon and promptly gave up.
All of these are solid protocols, nobody's building anything on them though... Can anyone take a guess as to why?
>Here's a hint for you: Your "distributed systems engineering" doesn't matter a shit if nobody uses it and right now IPFS is unusable on Windows for anybody who isn't a programmer, sysadmin or similar. People like you are the reason this shit never takes off, you give us nigh unusable crap and go "Oh but it technically works!".
See >I had a large awkward file to send somebody the other day and I thought "Oh maybe I could use IPFS", then I remembered they were on Windows. I wrote out a guide for how to use it, which involved opening two terminals and typing about six console commands, realized I was going to sound like an annoying loon and promptly gave up.
Why not simply make them use one of the many gateways available? Are you fucking stupid?
>Can you introduce me to this please?
No. It's in one of their github repos. Go fish
>Why not simply make them use one of the many gateways available? Are you fucking stupid?
Because I wasn't aware there were any because of what it could cost to run such a thing. Here's a better question: Why is the future of content delivery dependent on gateways for 99% of the desktop space by way of it's proper client being fucking unusable?
>No. It's in one of their github repos. Go fish
Oh what a surprise, when asked to provide the goods he can't. I'm done with you.
>The New York court's opinion on the possession of child pornography does not change the law in North Carolina nor does it change the interpretation of federal law related to child porn. If a person is accused of the federal, rather than state, crime of possession of child pornography, he or she can be convicted of possession if sexually explicit images of minors are found in the browser's cache if he or she is aware of the caching function.
From the direct article you posted nigga.
This is why you run freenet.
What about Whonix?
Is it a meme?
>セージ
Sage
Yet you mention pizza on a TOR post on Jow Forums
Hmmmm......
MODS bring the FEDS
I reported seven 0-net domains to the feds.
The thing about 0-net is you can and will find all the hosts for a particular media. As an user showed earlier, 0net files log the original uploader so good luck with that.
>implying
Sage at the honeypot thread
FreePizza because on any honeypot really, CP is a very close thing to come by.
Good intentions though, I just wanted go warn people.
Ok
I actually have seen that shit on the surface web
It's disgusting and sick as fuck
I hope the feds catch all the people that do that to kids
Seriously dude its fucked