Just get a CS degree

Just make anything that takes more than 10 hours. Put it on GitHub so the interviewer can look at the code and chuckle to himself about how much better at coding he is than a 21 year old

How the hell would he get a job if schools never teach you a majority of what you need to know to land a job? Most schools and programs just teach you a base level of knowledge that shows a company you know enough to understand how to learn the job. If people didn't have to go to school and companies just trained you then he would be better off. It is not his fault the school system is only for people that are already hobbyist in whatever they are pursuing in college and have a leg up on everyone just looking for a job.

Anything you did, even if you didn't finish it. I made a bunch of games. If you can demo to them in the interview (Especially if it's in the language/framework of the job you are applying for), they love that.

It should take you 1-3 hours max to build a basic shmup or snake or something like that.

Also DON'T present your college projects like they were the assigned work. Just present them as your own projects, not some homework you were given to follow along with.

Make a shitty portfolio site with a few projects on it (Doesn't even have to include source, just do list of each project with a few screenshots). Should only take an hour and it will demonstrate web development skills. Then you can ask them about it in interview and/or show them if they didn't already look.

>if schools never teach you a majority of what you need to know
What the fuck are you on about mate. I dropped out of university about 10 years ago because I was a lazy little shit. I taught myself web development from 12 years old by reading crappy books like Learn JavaScript in 24hrs and other bullshit. I gained absolutely nothing from school, I failed all my IT clasess. And this was purely books, there wasn't any hand holding like free online courses or stackoverflow in my day. Now I'm earning over $100k/annum. I never finished my degree.

I have a couple of big projects I’ve worked on over the years, but they’re all weird and I don’t know how I’d explain them to an interviewer. Like for example, I’m a bit involved in the oldschool computer homebrew/demo scene, and have made a few games / tech demos, but that isn’t really a marketable skill in 2018.

I do wanna start learning something like android development, but I have no idea where to start and learning something completely from scratch seems really daunting.

It's obvious you dropped out because you have no reading comprehension. I'm arguing in your favor that school doesnt do enough for students who just want to work.

>but that isn’t really a marketable skill in 2018
Wrong. Proving that you actually know how to make something (Anything!) is a marketable skill when the majority of degrees just give you instructions to follow.

Just make something NOW. I do this (Google onehourgamejam) every week and it only takes 1 hour. In fact, last week I made a game from scratch every single morning.

There is no reason to not do this if you know how to code at all. Learn SDL and use your C++ or make it even easier and just pick up Love2d (Lua).

I brought games to demo at all of my interviews and none of those jobs were for game development. I have an extremely good record of translating interview to job offer.

>Gets a SCIENCE degree
>Complains about the school not helping him with finding a job
Should've gone into engineering and done internships OP.
Computer or Software Engineering both work.

Pygame or just using the in browser canvas and javascript is also a good option.

Also, If anyone disagrees with me, don't listen to these faggots. Most of the posters here have never even worked a day in their life.

>SDL
To go off on a little tangent, I’ve been trying for like 3 years to get SDL set up correctly in Code::blocks, and it’s never fucking worked. All the tutorials I can find for it seem really dated as well.

Just do Love2d or use Javascript. C++ is almost never going to get you enough recognition in industry to trade off against the complete ball ache it is to work in. Most professional studios don't even use it any more.

The most important thing is to overcome the mental barrier of getting started. The more time it takes to piss around with tools, the more that motivation is going to drop before you actually get anything done. Take the path of least resistance to start your work, commit to the minimum possible product and get results as quickly as possible, to keep that motivation fueled.

Not OP, but what if I made an anime soundboard app, can I put that in my CV?

Also, ignore the retards on Jow Forums who just want to endlessly jerk off by tweaking their loonix gentoo setup instead of actually building anything. Do not fall into the trap, of "perfecting" your tools before you ever get started. Just load up sublime text or whatever gives you the minimum resistance to get started. Put on some great music and get going my dude. Fuck the haters

The risk of looking weird to normies probably outweights the benefit in that case. Can't you just take what you learned and build another project? Throw away projects are still experience, which makes the next thing easier to build. No productive time is wasted when you are learning.

>anime sound board
not modular sound board. If you coded the sound board then you can replace the sounds and titles at will right? Just make an alternate board, and use that in your cv. Even better might be to make one built on user input so that anyone can customize it, shouldn't be too difficult since the board is already built, that would be great for demonstrating that you can code, I would think

>make one built on user input so that anyone can customize it
Solid advice. Do this.

It's GitLab now user

Your education isn't listed though.

>Internet Programming

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wow so inspiring!

didn't know there were such great people here on reddit!

upboated!

Why would you list individual courses as experience? Nobody cares about those, user.

>apply for military job
>have to provide list of people you've killed in street fights, gang wars and hired assassinations

This is how stupid the "personal github profile" thing is.

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Military offers bottom-up training, most jobs don't

>provide genuine well thought through advice accumulated from years of experience
>lel reddit poster xd
People here will try to tear you down because it makes them feel better about their own lack of achievements. This place is just cancerous and full of pretentious clueless idiots. I would be building something instead of posting in this shithole if I wasn't at work.

Don't let the trolls get to you, user. Try to ignore shitposts, even though it is sometimes very hard.

Quads of truth

Thanks user. I put a lot of care and effort into my posts because I really want to help people out and give them constructive advice. I was fed a lot of bullshit and bogus advice over the years. I know how hard it is to figure out what really works.

True dat. Companies expect you to learn everything on your own but get annoyed when you ask for more money because you happen to be a specialist on the topic.

The stupid thing here is the education wankery. Showing what you can do is a much better way to hire.

bad pagination
bad font
bullet points everywhere
> internet programming, call it web development for fucks sake
spacing off
likely more than 1 page

2/10 - wouldn't grant interview (and I do that sometimes as I've been a dev for 11+ years)

Hideous resume, needs to be restyled ASAP

m8 you really need to learn how to write a fucking CV, ive got far less to sell myself on than you by the looks of things and ive still got a better CV than you.

Where are your projects? Where are links to a portfolio? Anyone can spam a resume with keywords and languages. People want to see actual work. Email places that do work for a lot of different clients. They are usually always looking for work. Send along your resume, but in the email state what you're looking for, give them a link to your port folio and let them know if they think things are a good match, to give you a call.

Also, make your resume look nice, Jesus fucking christ. It looks like you put in 0 skill. Go look at GOOD examples of resumes. Not, I opened up word and just types whatever popped into my head with no consideration for readability or style.

Unironically this

Is your degree complete? If so, there is no reason to list individual courses like that. Projects that everyone taking the class had to do is not interesting to employers, you should rather list interesting extracurricular projects or stuff you have done on GitHub.

Since your work experience is rather limited, I would add a skill section below highlighting the same stuff you've written in "summary of experience", only with way less text.

Pic not related, it's my own CV. But maybe the layout will inspire someone lurking.

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Not OP, but is it good idea to put my modding project into my portfolio? Recently, I made a fork of Mount&Blade 1257AD mod.

>Showing what you can do is a much better way to hire.
As it should be

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Not as your only project (in which case you should really do some other projects), but alongside other projects it is nice.

not OP, but my CV is rather lackluster on content, every project ive ever started i either half-assed or never completed. given that, would you say its ok to list modules you took at uni that you had a particular interest in or put significant effort into making your own (final year project for example) assuming youre fresh out of uni more or less?

I personally think listing modules is a two-edged sword, in that a potential employer might think that you have nothing worth listing so you you just list a bunch of courses/classes/modules in lack of anything else. So there should be a particularly good reason to do so (for example there was a competition and you/your group had the best solution/presentation/whatever). You should also probably have gotten top grades in those that you choose to list.

I definitively think you *should* list your final year project though, if you're straight out of college/uni.

In anyway, it's better to list unrelated but real jobs, such as "worked in café, worked as a cashier" etc, because it shows that you at least are willing to put some effort in.

Well I do have some ASP.net and Arduino projects lying around

You should mention those.

fuck you niggers, you think I can't learn shit on the internet too ? I didn't bust my ass working so I could study so you can just walk in and get hired with your googling skills

Yeah, no, that's not your CV. I refuse to believe that anyone with a CV like that would spend their time shitposting on Jow Forums.

You have the material to have a catchy resume, however many of the bullet points are shit. Look into the "Star method" for writing a resume and it will pay off. You have to rewrite any sentence that is not specific enough to quantify your results and make the skills that each project gave you very clear

you have a good base so when you fix this you should be good

i got top grades on nothing my dude. i barely managed to will myself through uni because i fucking hated it, not the course content that is, but the way things are taught at uni, that shit sucked out any motivation i had to actually succeed and now im out of uni and trying to get my foot on the job ladder. ive got a couple of projects half done as portfolio fodder but theyre half-done because either i lack the required math understanding to do a good job of them (gonna correct this when i run into a good book on these topics cheap enough) or because i honestly couldnt be fucked working with the tools any more (got a small game i made that ive basically abandoned because nothing in the engine works the way it says it does).

ive got my education and work experience listed as seperate shit senpai.

Read my posts from earlier:

You can make a presentable project that is interview worthy in as little as one hour. Follow my advice, I am not bullshitting you. This is what I did and I am very successful.

>i got top grades on nothing my dude. i barely managed to will myself through uni because i fucking hated it, not the course content that is, but the way things are taught at uni, that shit sucked out any motivation i had to actually succeed and now im out of uni and trying to get my foot on the job ladder
Well, getting top grades is not essential. I'm just saying that it's a bit weird to list particular modules that you didn't excel in. But most employers don't give a fuck about grades, as long as you have some form of "valid" excuse, so don't spend too much time worrying about it.

>ive got a couple of projects half done as portfolio fodder but theyre half-done because either i lack the required math understanding to do a good job of them
I would encourage you to fix up one or two of them, if you have the chance.

>ive got my education and work experience listed as seperate shit senpai.
That's good.

based to be honest.

You should never list your modules. List them as your own projects and your degree separately. The interview will NOT know that they were university projects unless you tell them. And it will only count against you because it will show you have no initiative or motivation to start and finish your own projects.

>worked on a framework for distributed high-performance IO in a PCIe cluster
I would hire you on the spot based on this alone, user.

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Is it okay to put small list of course names?
I’m only considering it because I went it my way to take honors versions and graduate versions of courses and did well.

woah... so this is the power of dropping out

I honestly don't se the point, the interviewer is most likely going to ask for a transcript of records if he is interested in your courses/grades.

ive just started a third project ive already got half way done, ill clean it up and do some thinking about how best to impliment the next half of it and in a couple of days i should have it done, depending on whether i decide i want it to have a GUI front or not.

>as long as you have some form of "valid" excuse
how do i make "i spent 3 years hating my life and being too stubborn to drop out" seem valid?

>You can make a presentable project that is interview worthy in as little as one hour
what, like one or two classes per program? that seems like the kind of thing an interviewer would pass over to me.

>how do i make "i spent 3 years hating my life and being too stubborn to drop out" seem valid?
Did you work part-time during this?
Did you participate in any projects that took a considerable amount of time?
Is there anything else you could blame for stealing time you could otherwise pass off?

If you spent 3 hours building open source projects, commercial projects or freelance, you would come out a billion times more qualified for work than any academic institution could possibly provide you.

I keep in touch with my friends from uni and I try to help them out with careers when I can. Unfortunately, pretty much nobody puts in the time when they aren't forced to (ie. outside of coursework) which is why I have continued to develop and grow in experience and opportunities when 99% stagnated.

The reason for my post is not to brag. The reason for my post is to tell you that ANYONE can do what I did. I'm not special. I just worked hard and didn't wait for things to be handed to me.

OO isn't the best paradigm for rapid development but a small game should have 5-6 classes which is very achievable in one hour.

If it's not achievable yet, just practise until it is. I've made playable games in under 20 mintues from scratch.

>Did you work part-time during this?
>Did you participate in any projects that took a considerable amount of time?
nope

>Is there anything else you could blame for stealing time you could otherwise pass off?
no, i made a bad call and was too stubborn to do what i should have done, so i spent my time being depressed, playing vidya all day, and thinking about how i should be doing the work i had no motivation to do. id start my projects sometimes days before they were due in, skip lectures and lab sessions (most of them), and after year 1 most of my grades were between 40 and 60 percent. i wound up actually not getting a proper degree because i started some of my projects too late to actually complete them.

its a bad state i know, but ive gotta make the best of it somehow, i figure the best way to do that is probably lean on my prior success on BTECs and establish a portfolio with some actually non-trivial projects in them.

Fuck that is supposed to be 3 years*. Now no one is going to take my post seriously because I must have 2 IQ if I made some stupid mistake. Duh the power of self teaching/

That sucks man, but yeah, I hope you get out of the rot. I think you have the right idea with a portfolio with non-trivial projects.

To anyone else still in college lurking, I highly recommend getting a part-time job, especially if it's semi-relevant (IT support, helpdesk, whatever). It takes a lot of time for sure, but it's a get out of jail free card for bad grades and slow study progression.

I'm going to shill my shitty posts again because you guys really need my advice. I was an eternal procrastinator for 15 years (Well into my 30s now) until I learned how to manage myself.

Make something in one hour. If you can't stop feeling sorry for yourself for that long, just take a fucking redbull.

>no, i made a bad call and was too stubborn to do what i should have done, so i spent my time being depressed, playing vidya all day, and thinking about how i should be doing the work i had no motivation to do. id start my projects sometimes days before they were due in, skip lectures and lab sessions (most of them), and after year 1 most of my grades were between 40 and 60 percent.
u r me

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I am you from the future (Seriously, you are me 15 years ago), please read my post

>tfw teaching grad
>tfw job straight out of uni because course gives you real world experience
>just browse Jow Forums because technology is a hobby
Feels fantastic man

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I dunno about you but last time I saw a recruiter he asked me too add all the shit I did on my NEET time on my resume (4 years a NEET).

So I added one page title personal projects with shit like: Thinkpad Ricing, Gentoo Customozing, Piano concerto at Durpdaperd Garden, creation of a game engine, active member of a shitposting community etc, fiddling with raspberry pi, failed attempts at using Rust (it's shit), bazillion of webscraping script to download porn (python, bash, selenium), learning German etc, etc.

I got me job after that.
Now I earn 90.000$/year as a meme consultant

Based user telling white, encouraging lies on the internet.

You forgot:
>and then the whole bus clapped

Everything is real except the salary

This is amusing and pretty good quality bait but... the things you listed would actually not be too bad if you didn't do it autistically. Still an improvement over OPs resume.

Thanks for the laughs though.

"Learning German" is the best part of the story.

>looking for career advice on Jow Forums
90% of Jow Forums are larpers and have never worked in technology

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I took a year off work and I just told my interviewer that I was writing a book and I also showed him a shitty unfinished coding project I was working on a few days before the interview. Got the job of course.

All they want to know is that you were doing SOMETHING and not just jerking off and watching anime every day. Just make some effort for fucks sake.

Most people make no effort at all, so even the tiniest bit will put you ahead of them.

This but unironically.

>just drop out and make a wordpress web site broooooo

This would unironically be more productive than most "degrees" in the current year.

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Mate, I don't have sour grapes, I said in this thread I make over $100k, which is more than any of my friends who graduated. I don't need your worthless degree.

>I make over $100k

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100k rupees

lel

>tfw the ratio of jobs to publications is inverse on my cv
Why the hell did nobody tell me working a code monkey job for a few months is more valuable than IEEE publications. I was even considering putting the "part-time coal miner during summer 2009" on my cv.

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>Why the hell did nobody tell me working a code monkey job for a few months is more valuable than IEEE publications
Well, my "advantage" was that I had to work full-time during my masters (in order to support myself financially). But this also ultimately delayed my progress, since I spent 4 years on a 2 year degree, as you may have noticed. I have some more publications in the pipe and a couple of more that are published, but I'd rather just highlight a couple of the most relevant ones instead.

>I was even considering putting the "part-time coal miner during summer 2009" on my cv.
I actually had to strip away irrelevant positions in order to fit everything on one page.

I keep telling Jow Forums this but they continue to mock me with posts such as Guess that's what happens when you have a board full of autistic school children who never did a days work.

Just change it to Web Development.

>just drop out and become a webdev or java/C# code monkey
Truly a fate worse than death in my opinion.

Bump

>implying that isn't all there is to do anyways