Victorian couple quoted up to $1.2m to connect to NBN Co's fibre service

If Google puts in for Aussie PM and promised 1Gigabit fibre, would vote google

>be Australian
Stopped reading right there.

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>4mbit ADSL2
>NBN 2019 maybe
>It's HFC

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Boomers who listen to talkback radio and the need to protect Rupert Murdoch's Foxtel cablebux in exchange for favorable media coverage at the next election.

Everybody I know who get forced off ADSL2+ onto NBN has regretted it. At least 20% slowdown, and that's before the endless dropouts. Funniest part? One has FTTP - her VoIP phone STILL shits itself regularly.

>Bulgaria
Paying 6 euro per month for 50/35 fiber
Kek

lol

Trump would have our federal and state governments (whether lib or lab) executed for treason.

>Have your doctors-engineers-anyone with a profesisonal degree flee to Western EU
yeah I rather keep my shitt net

I could understand FTTC or FTTN if it was a straight upgrade path to FTTP which it isn't.. so basically they will have to redo the entire fucking network to get FTTP...

While if they did FTTP straight away it would of costed more initially but save money over the next 50 years because all that would require upgrades is the switching equipment.

There should be a independent enquiry into this and people hanged for treason.

I live within 6km of Perth CBD and it's a cluster fuck of tech types. The street behind me is FTTC while my street is FTTN and each street is different. It's like their planning was to throw darts at a map.

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how much would it cost and hard would it be to lay your own fibre cables?

Heard this BS meme too many times. Can't remember where I read it, but I saw that something like 8% of the fibre in the NBN has had to be replaced already.

You wouldn't be allowed to if it wasn't on your property

I don't know about you but I went from 18/0.8 to 50/15. Feels good man

If you're too lazy to get your issues fixed then you don't deserve good internet

convincing argument

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No, it's not. But I'm not here to convince you - since I know what I saw, you don't, so fair enough - but I can use it to mock your parroting Labor propaganda.

I'm on cable now, 100/3. I'd be okay with losing some download for upload, but there's no way to guarantee the speeds. I'd be pissed if I went below 70 down.

The quality of installation and maintenance is a large influence on a fibers lifespan but you would expect minimum 40 years usage out of it.

I couldn't find a source or similar for your claim but it could be down to shoddy contactors if that was the case?

This is pretty realistic. You're basically asking then to do civil engineering work in a residential area to lay fibre for 7km to your property. It's going to cost a shitload no matter how you slice it.

Now, if you could get a lot of properties along the route to sign onto the idea then you could cut the individual cost as they could then get fibre too, but they certainly can't just string the fibre line up on the power poles all the way to your house, assuming there are even power poles in that neighbourhood.

On the phone to iiNet right now cause my newly connected nbn is shit.
>advertised typical evening speeds 80Mbps down
>actually getting 15Mbps down
>couldn’t even transfer my number correctly

At least it’s better than the

>But the company in charge of rolling out the service, NBN Co, have told him that because his house is 7 kilometres from the nearest connection

lol why the fuck is the government running 7km fibre for you.

It's for 1 property

>But a spokesman for NBN Co told the ABC that running fibre 7km for one property was unrealistic.

>getting wireless service

What are you a government shill?

I have seen people suffer degradation transfering from ADSL2+ but that was to either FTTN or HFC, never FTTP.

Her VoIP phone probably shit it's self because of misconfiguration or a faulty router.

>digging up 7km across multiple different property lines
>1 customer
>some reason meant to be cheap

Oh, you can bet bucks that that's what happened, no argument there. But even getting the theoretical best lifetime in the climate-controlled environment of an office building or data centre is troublesome. Why anybody would be silly enough to think you would get that lifetime in some nasty Telstra pit full of water and other debris - along with randoms digging holes nearby looking for Ned Kelly's buried treasure or whatever - is beyond my comprehension.

Nope, took the entire thing apart (software and hardware). It's definitely at the RSP's end. Could be Optus's VoIP servers, but she never had a problem with her fakephone (as I affectionately call it) when it was jacked into ADSL.

i dont see the issue here, pulling fiber down to the victorian era must be a bitch.

No-one believed that but parity with other mediocre-tier nations was at least a possibility. I mean fuck its digging holes and running wires along them.

youtube.com/watch?v=mDl1i3mpKwM

I can see internet being shit in the tiny sparse towns that dot Australia, but the major cities and their suburbs should have first world tier internet.

But even connecting the cities is a massive ordeal.

>rains
>pit floods and net becomes unreliable
>call them up
>they "fix it"
>next time it rains
>pit floods and net becomes unreliable
>call them up
>they "fix it"
>next time it rains
>pit floods and net becomes unreliable
>call them up
>they "fix it"
>next time it rains
>pit floods and net becomes unreliable
>call them up
>they "fix it"
>next time it rains
>pit floods and net becomes unrelia...

Can't they just use 4G or fire an ubiquity wireless dish across those 7km?

Even linus shill tips got wifi over 21km.

Got gigabit fibre in my small town in NZ.

How did australia managed to be worse than brazil?
You guys have the same insane hardware prices but somehow got worse internet than us.
Jesus christ my kangaroo barbecue friends get your shit together and stop losing to a literal hellhole.

Breaking news. Couple doesn't understand economies of scale and expects NBN Co to foot the bill to connect one house out of the rest in their neighborhood. Also, couple doesn't understand costs involved in civil construction.

Don't get me wrong I hate what the coalition have done to the NBN but these two are being idiots about it. Of course its going to cost you $1 million to get fibre to your house if there is literally zero infrastructure there already,

>be in FTTN area
>goes live last year
>still work to be done at your address
>end up with FTTP

feels good bros

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>YFW you don't live in third world country like AUSFAILIA

he literally currenly is

>How did australia managed to be worse than brazil?
New requirements to put everything underground I'm guessing.
There's fibre literally everywhere here in Japan because they just stick it on poles which makes it much less work to set up. If there are existing poles you just put it on them, if there isn't then putting in new poles is much faster and cheaper than putting it underground, and much easier to access to take new lines off it.

Drive through the country and you see rice fields with fucking poles carrying fibre running through them.

>NBN cunts show up
>OI M8 WE'RE HERE TO PLUG IN THE EN BEE EN
>sure whatever cunt
>continue to use 25mbit optus cable
>has had 3 days of dropouts in 5 years
>all 3 were immediately after the NBN cunts were here
>resolved with a single 25-minute phonecall
obsolete prior to completion indeed

>quotes chapter and verse from ALP propaganda (fibre will outlive us)

>quotes chapter and verse from ALP propaganda (fibre is wonderful everything else is shit)
>also accuses another user of being shill
Oh yeah there's definitely shilling going on here. And never trust a party that can't even spell their fucking name.

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Give me literally one good reason that copper is better than fiber

>inb4 cheap

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Reboot your modem, telstra boosted all cable plans to 5mbps upload.

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The national party (conservatives) fucked up the entire project and instead of going along with Labor's (liberal) plan to do a full Fibre To The Premesis rollout they said they could do a Fibre To The Node rollout for 20% less but instead went nearly double over budget and royally fucked everyone.

The National party is deeply in the pocket of the media conglomerates who are panicking over losing market share and so wanted to handicap the network with FTTN, not to mention the retarded idea that sacrificing 90% of the speed and efficiency for a supposed 20% cost saving, and then realising that they'd have to replace a shitload of copper anyway because it was so degraded.

I wish I was making this sort of shit up, our current government is an absolute joke.

If you get Foxtel instead of Austar you live in a faggot area.

Sorry, but the Liberals are in charge. The Nationals just help them make up a majority.

Well, technically a coalition of the Liberals and Nationals, but yeah, I fucked up the party names.

It'd be cheaper for him to fucking move into town

>be French
>live in the only countryside place that have fiber
>pays €30/month
feels good man

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Still French but.

>pay for 25/5 or 50/10
>lol doesnt matter
this is normal peak speed from 3pm to 11pm every day since 2015 on fixed wireless

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>implying you need more than .1mb/s upload

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dude these nbn """"""""technicians"""""""" are fucking retards. one was telling me the other day that isp provided modems/ routers are the better choice. he said "because they just werk". like man, he didnt even know what line speed meant when i was talking about it

457 visa worker because no whites are available to do the same job

Jesus. They're as bad as Windows users.

It's illegal for citizens to work under those conditions.

Windows user here with a modified rtn16 ddwrt router they are retarded

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Why is this the case in first world countries? How come Eastern Europe get fast speeds priced very little compared to western countries, America especially?

Yes, but you use Windows, which is as functional as an OS as the Telstra modem/routers are.

it's called cherry picking

people on 25mbps dont give a shit

the average speed in south korea is like 26mbps, seoul is the only thing you see that inflates numbers with 1gbps plans but even seouls average is 110mbps.

yes still way faster but not everyone has good internet

If you're doing the labor yourself, then the only cost is the fiber itself, which isn't terribly expensive.

I recently had an estimate done for work on getting some fiber put in, only about 750 feet and they want $6,500.

$3,000 of which is "engineering fees" which means they have some cunt engineer sit on a computer for a few hours to verify the distances between the poles and the exact route they want to put the fiber. Could easily just be done by some pleb considering it's a straight line 750 feet to the building. They aren't even burying it, they're using overhead lines on poles that are already installed.

I hate ISPs.

I just get a 100Mbit cable out of my wall in my apartment (router negotiates a 100Mbit link on it) and the connection is clearly shared with at least some of the other apartments. In the morning and during the day I usually cap out the 100Mbit down but in the evenings I only get about 30Mbit.

It's not too bad though.

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there's a high percentage of new zeland retards working as nbn techs

worse: they are windows users

lmao wtf is this. ftta is shit

jeez, that's a bit sad, at least compared to elsewhere in the world.

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Fuck the NBN. I live relatively close to an NBN node. Service frequently drops out for minutes at a time (at least two or three times daily).

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Fuck yes cunt. Still pathetic but better than nothing.

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Cut all the old copper connections out of your house, either get a sparky to run a new line from where it comes in or just take all your unused wallplates off and cut the cables. If they're corroded they fuck with your signal.

I had the same thing, VDSL hates interference and takes ages to reset once the connection drops.

>replacing copper
>in 2018

fucking kek, you poor bastards.

Tell me about it. It's a fucking joke. One of my mates in Sydney was getting 4Mb/s down on a fibre line though which is like less than 20% what I usually get.

thanks I'll give this a shot

we know

the original NBN plan was basically to copy what Verizon did in the US
see Shame they couldn't stomach the initial rollout costs.

This is why I didn't sign up for the electoral role. Voting is for cucks.

1Gbit is available, but I can't have it installed in my current shitty apartment because they won't allow it. And my Internet access is included in the rent so I would be paying twice effectively.
But still, Japan has no data caps on fibre, it's just not a thing. Couple years ago I had 260Mbit up and down when I was only paying for 100Mbit, and they gave me 10k yen cash when I signed up.

>they gave me 10k yen cash when I signed up.
yeah that works by increasing the price in the first place...

>Japan has no data caps on fibre
I don't know any US ISP that has a fiber network that has a datacap either.

Technically Verizon has a soft datacap at 10TB a month. What that means is if you go over the 10TB cap once, nothing happens, even twice, nothing happens. But if you regularly exceed 10TB a month, they start to consider you a business connection and they charge you the business price (about 3-4x the cost for the same speeds) and business lines are truly unlimited use.

But frankly 10TB is more than enough for me, the most i've hit is 7TB in a month.

so.... 10tb cap then

No, because I can go over 10TB several times a year without issue.

The only people i've actually seen hit with a forced switch were using 40TB+ every month.

Not really, verizon truly only does it when people REGULARLY go above that 10TB mark, and if you're just barely above it, they don't give a shit at all.

It really is meant for people running servers out of their houses but don't want to pay for proper hosting.

Basically people trying to cheat the system.

>give government too much control over your products and services
>products and services suck
>be suprized

ah, so this is the power of australia

probably because ausie fiber is just a junciton,and then copper to the home.

Well that's what happens when they decide to vote in a new government half way through and then completely gut the original fiber rollout plans.

Had they stuck with fiber, it would have been more money out of the tax payer pockets up front, but the long term benefits would already be showing up by now. As it standards they're stuck with shitty fiber backhaul and copper last mile.

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anyone living in a rural area can relate to this, it's not fucking company if you live away from everything

the root problem is you thought it would be neat if you let someone else who doesn't give a fuck about your needs make a choice for you

they said, and i'm paraphrasing recent events here, "the promised NBN speed of 100MBps to every subscriber is too expensive, it's impossible and we are not going to do it. you don't really NEED x amount of MBps (for my imaginary hypothetical use case that i assume everybody fits in)" it was all a lie to get votes during campaign season. besides, how the fuck are they supposed to know your use case and how much capacity you do or do not need? and if you aren't one of the people who just wants to post memes you're fucked because of their decisions which they made on your behalf because you voted that it's cool for them to make those decisions on your behalf

>this is better the my internet, and i got FTTH max is 200.

I have an odd suspicion that out of my neighborhood the internet reverts back to copper.

>because you voted that
The person I voted for wanted full fiber.

The person I DIDN'T vote for is the one who decided against that, and further decided I don't need 100mbps.

i'm saying that ever giving a political bureaucracy control over things that you don't want to get totally rekt is a bad idea

getting people connected is expensive because the most time consuming and difficult part is getting permission from dozens to hundreds of independent landowners where if just one person refuses plans may need to be redrawn entirely, more governmental control would ironically help internet rollout in rural areas as they could just disregard private property and reimburse farmers for digging up their fields to lay conduit kind of like how they'll force people out of their houses to lay train tracks
the free market approach is equally as shitty where your approach is one of dozens of unreliable but cheap overhead cable providers (pic related) or wireless mesh networks, and you still need governmental assistance to lay cross country backbones to connect to other cities and countries

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Not always the case, if Rupert Murdoch hadn't gone full cunt during the election and we had kept control we'd have full fiber network by now in most of the cities at least.

The only thing wrong with government control is when you elect morons who don't understand technology and let them be in charge of it's future.

If the person you've elected isn't a technological Luddite beholden to print media interests and similar old money, there wouldn't be an issue.

>the free market approach is equally as shitty where your approach is one of dozens of unreliable but cheap overhead cable providers (pic related) or wireless mesh networks, and you still need governmental assistance to lay cross country backbones to connect to other cities and countries

by your own admission unreliable companies exist, but the only thing they do is create a market for a reliable company to step in and fill that void with good service at a reasonable price. if you let the government have control over it suddenly that dynamic is gone. there is not ability for competition to step in and propose a counteroffer to the shitty service your government owned monopoly is providing