/hsg/ - Home Server General

There hasn't been an hsg in the last few days so here it is.

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i5 4590 sufficient for plex streaming?

try it

Main:
Server 2012 R2
FX 8300
8GB
9TB ReFs Parity Volume
2TB ReFs Mirror Volume

Backup:
1. HP Microserver w/FreeNas 8
4GB EEC Ram
7.1TB Raid Z1
2. Zyzel 540 Nas
12TB Raid 5

Other: WHS 2011 w/4GB & 1TB HDD (Client Backups/Ftp Site)

At later date plan to replace the main server with another HP Microserver w/16GB EEC ram and FreeNas os. The WHS 2011 server w/client backups will be migrated to the main server's hardware and take on Media Streaming duties plus FTP server duties. This will do a few things, 1 reduce my electric bill a bit, maintain data integrity/protection (enhance it a bit to since I'll be using Raid Z2), and take up less space. This is like a domino effect though since while I'm doing all this, the server/network "corner" of my basement will be redone plus storage room where all this stays will be redone to.

what should I do with about 30 4gb dimms of ddr3 ecc, everything I use has 8 or 16gb dimms and fully popd

sell most and keep a few for backup?

Create a gigganigga storage catch.

Yes. Yes it is.

Cool. I just copped an Optiplex 3020 MT and a 4 TB HDD for £80

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--> Quick Questions Quick Replies Why would I want a NAS/Homeserver?
If you ask why then you don't need it.

>I want a NAS/HTPC/Plex what should I get?
RPi3 or Odroid XU4/HC1. Odroid upper models has USB 3 and USB bus separated from the Ethernet one.

>B-But muh ARM
Then check the onboard x86 like J4105B-ITX, J4205B-ITX or J4205-ITX. All of them have SATA and USB 3.

>What's the best [software] for doing [ask]?
Specify you question and elaborate. If you want help put something from your side.

>Which disk is better for my homeserver?
The general opinion minus some details are that WD Greens are enough if you deactivate parkdrive, and WD Red are Green overpriced. Also Toshiba and HGST are pretty good.

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Got a Dell T110 (Xeon X4330, 8gb ECC, 4x160GB in Raid10) for free. I'd like to have a NAS+seedbox, is it decent or do i neee better hw? I'll be using it with a gigabit internet connection.

Any alternative to FreeNAS that allows expanding a raid set by just adding more drives?
Would be convenient.

Are workstations welcome here?

Is a firewall a L3 device?

if it serves a role yea why not, if its just a xeon in a gaymen computer no

Yes

>poweredge r410
>2x xeon x5675
>32gb ecc ddr3 1300mhz
>$130
main problem is it is 1U, loud as fuck, and 24 inches long meaning it doesn't fit in anything besides full size racks

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Refs/Storage spaces in Server 2012/2016. But depending on array type you gotta add them in pairs. ex: 4 drive mirror, you expansion would require 2 more drives due to how windows does the data balancing behind the scenes. So in extreme case 12 drives would require 12 more drives to expand it out. Also mirror spaces is only option where performance doesn't suck. Parity spaces (aka Raid 5 or 6 depending on options) write performance is terrible but expansion is a bit easier, just add a drive as needed. This is why I'm dropping my Server 2012 R2 main server (plus to lower electric bill)

Hope your NASes aren't mounted all the time, otherwise they aren't really backups.

They ain't. Both are shutdown when not in use. Everything is on a UPS as well

Make sure ALL the firmware is up to date, and that there aren't any bad / missing fans. I have two of them under my desk at work, and my co-workers can't hear them in a normal office environment.

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Set this baby up some weeks ago. Running on Ubuntu 16.04, most of the stuff are running under docker.

>Docker
>Sickrage
>Qbitorrent
>Plex Server
>Steam bot
>Webmin
>VPN for remote access
>Simple NAS for dumping files


I don't really watch a lot of tv shows or movies, but my father and some normie friends do, so i sell the use of my Plex server for some these friends, but the subscription fee+electricity cost of the server only left me 8-10 bucks a month of profit.

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Raspberry Pi used as a web server and VPN

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Serving me good

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I currently have a i3 desktop running as a server. I want to upgrade to a real server .
I'm gonna virtualize it and run 2-3 webservers, gitlab, vpn and plex. Which one should I get?

what is your budget limit?

pic related is my esxi.

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What are some home server power bills? Want to know if it's a lot.

depends entirely on what hardware you have, how heavily you load it, and how much you pay for electricity.

just get you a desktop with a low power cpu like an atom. ram is more important than cpu unless you're having the server do the heavy lifting like transcoding shit before streaming it. you are going headless right?

I need a firewall (open source)... workstation rackmount... nas, zfs.... maybe machine elarning system and finally a high end gaming rack mount.

I need to search for a power bill calc...

theres one every other fucking day
these threads dont last stop trying to make it a general

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Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today! Wakey wakey

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>let me make a thread every day that archives at 50 posts because i want to force a general instead of making a thread on the topic every once in a while to allow organic discussion to happen
no fuck off
thanks for killing the topic

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It depends on your machine and local power costs. For the USA its like one dollar per watt and year in 24/7 operation, in the EU more like two. But these are ball park figures.

Are you using the full pcie port?

This might sound stupid but why would someone use a dedicated firewall box over something built into pfsense or some other router firmware?

because muh leetness?

>Want to know if it's a lot.
Yes, anyone who says is just larping that their shitbox is a server

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>if it doesn't suck down the juice it's not a real server
fuck off dude this is the HOME server general, not the hurr I've got a datacenter in the diningroom thread

Keep on larping that your RasPi or other shitbox is a server.

One thing I just thought about is of course the option to hybernate my systems when not in use.

Question is, can I hybernate a dedicated pfsense box?

yeah the thing that serves files just fine for my use toatally isn't a server. nobody cares about your rack server dave. also I told you you needed to reinforce the floor so don't start bitching about it sagging

not even close, it has room for 14, maybe more with splitters (wouldn't recommend with vegas though)

>My FTP client is a server

forgot my pic

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How come the card does not need the whole port? How is the data transfer here different from say while gaming?
Is the task not very memory intensive?

its memory intensive on the card's vram itself, not data transfer. You basically get a math problem and send an answer, only the calculation itself is intensive, both the question and answer are short (depending on algorythm)

I think this may apply here:

Has anyone here built a VM server? Like a great big-ass machine that serves several VMs to some thin-client PCs around the house?

>Has anyone here built a VM server?
just about everyone here larps that their shitboxes are servers

>Like a great big-ass machine that serves several VMs to some thin-client PCs around the house?
Not with thin clients, but other computers via a Remote Desktop Services farm

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Beginner sysadmin here.

Is there a way to update Raspbian Stretch Lite (CLI) to Raspbian Stretch with desktop?
If yes, how?
I'm away from home for at least two months and I'd like to mess around with my Pi to practice stuff.

I know this isn't /sqt/ but I got no answer there. Thank you in advance for the help!

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>>just about everyone here larps that their shitboxes are servers
anything that exposes a service over the network is a server, regardless of how cheap and slow or how fast and expensive it is

>all that old loud power hungry dell shit that does nothing but produce heat.

get a pi3 b plus, they are way better and cheap

>i wish i had a server
>instead i can only larp

I want to play around with a home server, what kind of hardware should I be looking for on craigslist?

Funny how some of Jow Forumsanons are so desperate to do something in their lives that they fantasize about having powerful servers in their basements with ACTUAL PURPOSE other than storing anime and media consumption.

A computer. No really, that's it, if you have a computer you have enough to get started.

Oh nice this makes a lot of sense.
>Thanks user

I didn't know they had a newer model. I've had that one for at least 2 years. I'll get one and transfer everything over. Should I spend some money on an external usb drive? I'm developing a website on it and am considering picture and video uploads.

I asked recently what the best way to do something multipurpose is, but got no real answer.
What if you want the NAS to also be the Mumble server?

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You run both Samba and the Mumble daemon? You're allowed to do that. It's your server, you're in charge of it.

Remember to pay attention to your firewall rules so that only things you intend to be shown to the world are exposed to the internet.

I use VMs. it makes it easier to take down one service and fix things without affecting others.

>tfw FREE electricity with my rent

old servers on ebay will give you far more cores and GB of memory per dollar than literally any PC you could find or build.
The drawbacks are
>power usage
>noise
>size
>single core performance
If you look on ebay, just sort by distance from you and then pick it up in person so you dont have to pay $80 for shipping and risk having something break. there are tons of shops that buy up all the outdated stuff from businesses and resell it

I finally dug up my pi b+ again.
I put minidlna, jdownloader and pi hole in it for now. And I got a hdd coming.

So far, seems working good even though it's an old version, with the exception that if I try to access my.jdownloader, the cpu goes through the roof.

>You run both Samba and the Mumble daemon? You're allowed to do that. It's your server, you're in charge of it.
You write that as if you'r not supposed to do it.

>I use VMs. it makes it easier to take down one service and fix things without affecting others.
Isn't that a massive RAM hog?

>You write that as if you'r not supposed to do it.
One common piece of advice is one server (or VM) per service. Like a lot of advice, the trick is in knowing when it does and does not apply. In larger deployments, it's a very good idea. If you're running a business or some such, the extra cost of another machine (or a beefier machine to run another VM) isn't much, and it gets you manageability benefits. Also, it means that if one thing gets itself tied in knots, it doesn't take down other services with it. Equivalently if you have to take X down for maintenance, it doesn't disrupt Y. It makes it easier to do firewalling (eg, "accounting should be able to access their own file server, but not marketing's file server") It makes it easier to match your resources (CPU cores, RAM, storage space...) to the amount of load each service experiences - and a load spike on one service won't interfere with others.

So feel free to do that if you read that and said "Yes, that's obviously the Right Way", and have (or can afford) the hardware. But for a home server, you don't need to. You can decide "If I have to reboot my NAS for some reason, it's okay if that takes the mumble server down for a reboot, too", and things like that. You don't have stringent uptime and performance requirements, and your budget is presumably much more limited.

So yes, understand why it's done, but once you do, feel free to say "Those reasons don't apply/aren't important to me"

I need a need home server build. Does C3000 Atoms or Epyc Embedded actually exist? They appear to be "released" but nearly impossible to find for sale.

>So yes, understand why it's done, but once you do, feel free to say "Those reasons don't apply/aren't important to me"
Basically like grammar. Thanks for the reply.

Did /hsg/ have a whole thing about Intel Management Engine?
What about these recent security vulnerabilities?

hsg is full of fags with arm chips and like 5 or 6 of us with actual servers

Oh. I thought you'd be all like "This board and CPU combo supports ECC though you wouldn't think it"

>arm chips
Got something against ARM?

No one here as a real arm chip worthy of being in a server. Everyones shitbox here has as much performance as a phone.

could someone help me setup this on freenas

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Is there a reason to use a special OS for a NAS, like FreeNAS? What's wrong with simply sharing folders on your local network? I'm not too keen on the idea of having a dedicated machine that can only be used for one task, i.e. a network share.

But it werks

>get a pi3 b plus
Don't. He'd be better of waiting until they release a model that has actual gigabit ethernet and not this USB 2 bullshit.

Bitrot is a major thing anymore as data volumes grow into several TB. Video rips are really prone to this. ex: you rip 200 dvds in year 2012, took a while but you did it. Pat self on back. Year 2018, you play one of those rips; omg it is display playback errors. The DVD is clean so it ain't that. Your smart hdd tests show drive is still "healthy" and no red flags are showing in Event Viewer/Raid controller software logs. You restore bad video from backup, shit, it's fucked to. Now you gotta dig in dvd storage box to find the source dvd and rip all over again. Be glad it is only single video,think if it was all 200. Took ages to do it in 2012. Do you really want to do it all over again.

Look bro, your "website" is literally just a redirect to a youtube video of big man Tyrone. It's nice that you got some powerhungry shitbox with 3 gens old xeons off of ebay, but you really shouldn't come into this thread to shit on people who actually use their home servers for things other than LARPing.

Use EEC ram, the free nas docs state it pretty plainly. And besides you've gone to the trouble of making your data as safe/prefect condition as possible, why skip on ram at this point?. In general you want you data to be as "clean" as you can make it from the time you put it on your server all the way down the chain to your backups. Do it right and those pics/videos will look/play perfectly fine 30-40 yrs from now. Just think; you can show your grandkids grandpa's porn stash 50 yrs from now.

is there any reason I shouldn't use 10.0.0.1/24
192.168 doesn't sound as cool

use any private range you want, they all work. The benefit of picking an uncommon one is that if you set up a VPN server and connect to your home network from somewhere else, it won't work if that somewhere else and your network are on the same subnet. So rare ones avoid problems like that. 10.0.0.1/24 is still fairly common though. Maybe something like 10.99.100.0/24.

I picked a /24 out of 172.16.0.0/12, nobody uses that range.

>3 gens old xeons off of ebay
I got them new

> shit on people who actually use their home servers for things other than LARPing.
all you fags do is larp

>i'm runnin plex and samba
>its bez a serva

just whatever you do, don't use things you aren't supposed to
like gigaretard devs whose shit broke when 1.1.1.1 went live

Typically most firewalls are L3 but a lot of businesses use L7 firewalls these days

these threads are garbage.

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>>like gigaretard devs whose shit broke when 1.1.1.1 went live
I remember a few years ago a bunch of people got caught napping when 11.0.0.0/8 started getting routes advertised. That block was allocated to the US DoD ages ago but they never used it, at least not publicly, so lots of people who got cramped in 10.0.0.0/8 squatted on it. Then everything broke when all of a sudden, surprise, 11/8 is on the air.

I feel like any processor made in the last 5 years is as long as you aren't trying to convert 4k video down

If you have power supplies and cases already. A used LGA1366 or LGA2011 system could do well enough for that. Searching on ebay for supermicro 2011 or supermicro 1366 should give you some decent results. Make sure the board supports registered memory tho, since those are a lot cheaper. Easier to get a lot of RAM on the cheap with registered memory. Just regular UDIMM with or without ECC can be a bit expensive. Figure out what kind of Xeons the boards supports and try to find the cheapest options available. Seen some 1366 and 2011 xeons for less than 30 dollars.

115x boards should be cheaper, and there are cheap xeons for those too, but you'll be limited on RAM, and cores if you want to run processor intensive tasks.

Should be able to find some prebuilts too, but they might be loud. I feel it is easier to get a nice quiet system with a DIY system since you don't have to deal with strange fan mounts or proprietary power supplies with whiny fans. But if you build it yourself or just go with a prebuilt is up to you.

Like an Odroid xu4

>Isn't that a massive RAM hog?
yes. should use containers rather than vms if it's just one service.

captive portal at my work for guests is 1.1.1.1
haven't bothered to change a thing since the DNS service on there went live. they probably don't give a shit that guests can't access it.

>RDS
I thought a VMW faggot like you would do Horizons or other such VDI bullshit

my real server uses a lot more electricity than my "server" that provides pretty much everything I need for my home uses.
a computer doesn't have to be power hungry or expensive to be a vm host.

I've been thinking about testing out Horizon just because I use RemoteApps mainly on a Mac, and the Mac RDS client is horribly broken. I'm stuck using v8 because they removed alt-tab in v10. But in v8, the Z-index of windows frequently gets fucked up, where different windows have different Z indexes for being drawn versus where mouse events go. Also sometimes the apps will stop redrawing but still receive mouse events/arent hung.

Also i'm not sure if Horizon will even work well in my environment as I dont have shared storage. I only have 2 nodes so i cant use VMware VSAN, StarWind VSAN which can do 2 nodes is a piece of shit and has corrupted by data before. And VMware is ran by fags who removed support for SMB, so I cant use my S2D/SOFS cluster for shared storage.