Salary: Competitive

Oh i love that.
Basically work 12 hours a day 7 days a week for the same salary.

>free and open startup mentality

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>already have stability balls on every desk
>a whiteboard
>they close down after 4 months

>friends rather than colleagues

"aggressive" where im coming from means 24x7 on call 1 well out of every 6... Where there can be up to 5-7 calls throughout the night for the duration because our overnight guys don't know the difference between yellow alerts and actual alerts to call for and are incapable of fixing anything themselves.

Me and another admin are on our way out, which means every 4 weeks until they find some new suckers.

>entry level programmer
>good at java, c++, python, php, c, c#, javascript, and every other language that exists
>good at talking to customers & clients
>30k

>mentioned javascript but no frameworks

you deserve it

>jobs that expect you to do things that require a salary double what they want to pay
Why do they do this?

this

H1B fishing.

how is this not illegal?

>10 years experience with Go

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>implying they ever even know what frameworks are
>implying any good programmers are also good at talking to people
>implying you need to know more than 1 language for a job that'll have you coding in 1 thing specifically

Make sure you leave warning labels for the new guys.

this is a good idea
leave some TODO: run away in git commits

>We appreciate your interest but we have made the tough decision to go for an autist who doesn't know what he's worth instead. Thank you for your time.

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perfect

>No 9 to 5 mentality

what's the pay?

>we are growing company
>9 to 5 only available for workers that are willing to volunteer additional 10 hours a week

>We have had a hard time finding qualified applicants, so your resume got our attention quickly
>How does 50K no benefits sound?

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That would work great for me. One week of 24/7, three weeks off, for a total of about one full-time equivalent (168 hours per month).

Currently, its current staff taking over my projects and I love my team so I'm hauling ass to document as thoroughly as I can.

I genuinely hope it works out for them, the intent was never too fuck them over. I just need more money and better opportunities.

Sometimes I'm climbing up and down ladders in the rain and swatting at mosquitos and sweating through my coveralls on a 100 degree day standing next to hot process equipment and having to talk to sweaty rednecks about their fucking pickups and I wish I had just studied something with computers instead.

But then I remember all the bullshit in this thread and it makes me glad I get paid good money and there's no H1Bs and I have my own damn office with none of that open floor plan bullshit. I'm glad I didn't fall for the tech meme.

daddy trump maga don't regulate the free market socialism for the rich capitalism for the poor

need I go on

>50K what do i need 40K for? Isn't 30K a bit low?

I forgot to mention, no bonus pay or anything. Just a half day off on Friday when your rotation is ending.

>No 9 to 5 mentality
Perfect! I'd be happy to be paid by the hour instead.

Trump is a busy man

Well if you don't work in CA you don't have to deal with any of that nuwave hipster bullshit

>agile development

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The real way to go is a work from home gig at a company that actually stresses work-life balance. Super rare, but they exist.

would I be able to negotiate 8-4 or even 7-3 instead of 9-5 at a company?

Just show up early, instead of 9 AM

Gotta admit, working at a company 10-5 with unlimited remote time is breddy comfy, plus they pay above the typical wagecuck webdev shop in town

but then they'll expect me to stay until 5

...and stay until 6

what kind of work do you do?

I'm on my way there. Last day is Friday this week, start on Monday. I'm pretty psyched.

Med tech, probably one of the best places to be right now

Where do you fags work? It's flex hours here so as long as you get your 80 in nobody cares what time you come or go. Have people show at up 5am everyday and do 10 hour days and get every Friday off, others come in at 12 and stay till 9, etc. Work somewhere good.

please explain more.

That must me some very special place.

do you mean making stuff like CAT scan machines and heart rate monitors, or something else? Also I assume you work on software?

>go to company early
>finish whatever bullshit you have to do
>start working on personal projects *while* on the job and devise a plan to leave the company

Software for therapists/doctors to use during visits, organize schedules, plus data visualization for patient outcomes and shit like that

>Coup de gras
hearing this after 3 months of them leading you on

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I think they call this daylighting... Some companies don't care, some frown on it, and some have stipulations in their contract that state anything you create on the company's time is the company's IP now.

Can be difficult to prove, but be aware.

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do you use MUMPS?

>work at a company long enough to have worked a nice little niche for yourself
>be in a senior position watching the juniors bust their asses

Nah we use either AWS or in-house stuff

>AWS
that's expensive though

>tfw exceed AWS free tier

Anything in the medical field makes stupid cash, so we're good

Republicans like cheap labor. Democrats call any opposition to immigration of any kind xenophobic.

Top jej. I hate orangeman but the one thing he did actually do was tighten H1B regs. Democrats and Republicans in general are more pro-H1B than him. Anyone who considers themselves a partisan member of one of our major parties is a fucking moron. They're both happy to fuck workers in the ass to make a penny.

kek

This is why I work for myself. Only downside is tax season, what a goddamn nightmare.

you pay more taxes working solo or in a company?

80 Hours a week? What shit role is that?

35 hours here and flex hours... 120k. No expectation to work late unless there's an issue.

>120K
>it's actually 90K
>god bless USA

More working solo. Working for a company they deduct a lot of your taxes for ss or medicare/Medicaid every paycheck. Working as a contractor, they assess it all at the end. Maybe it's the same in total, but its not parted up nicely as far as I understand it. I don't do contract work tho, only wagecuck for company

Pay periods are usually two weeks, which means 40 hours a week

Why would anyone work over 10 hours per week? Did your parents do something wrong or were you just born this way?

hey buddy! our taxes go to subsidizing healthcare and tax-breaks for only the wealthiest (read: best) people in our nation. Can you say the same?

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>120k
Too bad if you're in CA or NY it's more like 70k after everything

where are you seeing jobs like this that pay so low? I accepted an entry-level software dev job last week that didn't ask for even half that and pays 70k

not the person you're responding to, but which city?

>everyone lives in USA

>work in a nice 72 degree office
>no mosquitos or other pests
>work 9-5, no overtime
>make 120k
>free catered lunches daily
>only pay $1500 in rent (no roommates)
>free gym/health insurance
yes, keep thinking that you're the smart one for not going to college

Orlando
I guess I've never thought what the software market is in Europe/Asia. Is it really that bad?

This may be the one time I'm glad I'm in the US lol

> Title: IT Technician Support Analyst Developer

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USA is lower than Europe.
Unless you're in Finland, Eastern Europe or some third world shit hole, starting salaries should be slightly higher but after tax may be lower.

>Starting salaries in europe are higher
facebook pays new engineers $120k and gives them a $100k signing bonus

embedded system dev in austria
>28k

>120k
>70k if in NY or CA
>18k annually for rent
>52,000 a year
That's not that great.

Depends on how good your accountant is. In general though you're paying more and doing much more paperwork. I only work for myself because I find the wage normie life intolerable. I like to vacation in the off-season. I like being able to homeschool my kids. I like having fine control over my career without the politics. I like that I can eventually pass on my invested time and effort to my sons so they don't have to be aimless wagefags like I was at 18 to 25.

I'm an engineer my dude. I just do real work that sometimes involves going into the plant. It can be a nice break from sitting at my desk all day anyway. And working 6:30-3:30 with every other Friday off is way better.

>homeschool my kids
enjoy your social outcast children. Humans have to socialize. it's their nature.

>accountant
when you're a free lancer you have to hire an accountant?

Minneapolis, not NY or CA

Facebook isn't your average employer and only people going to the best schools are going to be hired through them.
You pick the most extreme example and you extrapolate that it is the average starting salary. You need a lobotomy if you unironically offered this as some sort of proof for your argument.

>only people who go to the best schools
not entirely true, but fair

If we're talking raw averages, from my no-name state uni the average entry-level income is ~$60-70,000 (before tax). From what I see from Euro/Aus posters on here, it's looking like $40k (before tax).

>2k anally for onions products

This. Software developers in the US are the highest paid starting out and in senior positions. They get paid peanuts in Europe. Yes they can reach the same level but it usually takes much longer.

>52,000 a year for food, savings, and entertainment
>not good
okay

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people pay 2k for anal?

>1500 for rent
The fuck? That's literally a 250,000 house mortgage for a house with 4 bedrooms, 3 baths and multiple acres where I live. I rent but I'm looking at houses, even renting it's only 600 for a 2 bedroom apartment in a nice area. No I don't live in the middle of LA and thank God for that.

>I'm proud to be living in the middle of nowhere
Honestly it's a matter of opinion if you prefer living in an urban/suburban/rural area, but if we're talking raw numbers devs who live in urban areas make more even taking into account rent/taxes.

I'm in Minneapolis, in a slightly fancy apartment

Well I mean I'm 10 minutes away from a populated city, 20 from another, and an hour from 2 bigger ones. It's not exactly in the middle of nowhere, but I guess people living in the city think even suburbs are the middle of nowhere lol