Do you think programmers are overpaid?

It's like playing an instrument. Easy to do. Difficult to do well.

I don't think we're overpaid, since we get paid what the market wants to pay us.

I do think in ~10-20 years the pay will be slightly lower. If today's average programmer starts out at 60k, I think it'll be notched down to the equivalent of 45-50k, and cap out around 100k.

Of course, there will always be people working on crazy stuff making way more.

programmers are overpaid? meaning, paid more then they should be? implying there job is such a critical position? also implying I can't commission a fucking pajeet to make an app for my company instead of a lazy entitled white onions boy?

>onions
>s 0 y

fuck u 4chin

Me pajean muy bien después de lamber mi cúlo. :^)

Depends if you call webshits programmers

>The tripfag kid with 3 grand to his name posting about jobs and work and how easy shit is

Filtered

It's joi.

The vast majority of people are literally incapable of programming at a professional level, while most other tech jobs, tech support, testing, sysadmin, networking, etc, can basically be done by trained monkeys. So it kinda is a difficult job by definition.

its not difficult at all when you know what you're doing

when you don't know, the solution can be unobtainable, or can lead to catastrophic failures

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this girl is so attractive and qt at the same time

>kawaii
is that a slang?

It's difficult to find programmers who are actually competent and not pajeet-tier

It's a problem when they're payed 4 times as much as anyone else in the area and totally and completely fuck a whole regional economy.
t. Seatteleite

Get the fuck off this board faggot.

Is something bothering you, user?

Will be just one of the many jobs to get axed and replaced by even halfway smart AIs so its not like you have to worry about them being overpaid for long

yes. it's a step above flipping burgers at fast food in terms of skill.
t. dropped out of highschool and works for hp

>t. dropped out of highschool and works for hp
>step above flipping burgers
What's it like cleaning the bins at hp?

>worry about them
>them
time to leave friend
also checked

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Nice digits but AI will fuck up many other fields like law before programming.

kek
>defendant is black
>defendant is guilty
t b h I can't see a problem and welcome AI courtrooms.

Honestly I expect them to get heavily regulated the second their viable because of what they would do to the job market at every level.
I do wonder if it will be a good idea to design the exact AI you want and date/marry them. What do you think?

>I do wonder if it will be a good idea to design the exact AI you want and date/marry them. What do you think?
Well considering how fucking shit most people are at choosing partners, it can't be any worse.

You can spend the rest of your career fixing up other people's shit piles.

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oh boy, you really do not understand what it takes to write code, AI wont be able to do that in next 50 years in best case scenario....

Only in America. I assume it is related to the absurd costs of living in SV.

Never gave any definitive time frame, but it would be possible, however like I stated above I think theyll be regulated out the ass as soon as they get invented

i've seen people claiming to charge 300/hour for wordpress development in other threads

>Do you think programmers are overpaid?
>It's not really a difficult job.
why cant someone put Mike Rowe in the same room with a bunch of these covetous, materialistic, jealous SJW do-nothings? Then Mike can teach them a lesson about appreciating having nothing and building up from there

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>mike posting
CIA Ops program to convince the American they should strive to be slaves. Oh, and it's called the slave pledge. You cannot make this paggots up.

A-am I being added to your Good Boy compilation?

There's some really challenging shit if you start looking into the firmware/low-level stuff, and demand is super high for just about any form of programming, so I suppose the pay is reasonable.

she cute

lazy eurofag detected

t. CIA nigger

I want a proprietary holographic AI wife

>I understand the world is not fair, and I'm OK with that
Oh you, Murrica. Why not try to make it more fair?

why dont you finish that sentence?
>>I understand the world is not fair, and I'm OK with that, I do not resent the success of others
see kids? just accept that we programmers are better than you and stop being resentful

Good programmers are the BBC of the IT industry. It's natural to be a little jealous of our superiority.

thats a good metaphor to make a roastie SJW understand her place in all this

Look up what "supply and demand" is.

it's Japanese for cute

dumb anime poster

No because no one can really program well. They're needles in the haystack

No, wages in the US are low across the board due to illegals and visa workers.
Difference between trades and office work is unlike office work, it is physical labor that destroys your body on top of it being skilled labor while being a programmer is just skilled labor.

Value has nothing to do with difficult, either in completing the job or in acquiring the skills. Value is determined by how much value the job creates in combination with how much someone is willing to pay for it. That's it.

I pay 1000 dollars in hookers, but you could say that anyone could blow me, but it's not the same thing is it?

Better a programmer be paid more than a CEO or a shareholder being paid more.

>It's not really a difficult job.
Spoken like someone who's never done it for real.

If you change your own oil, you might think being a mechanic isn't a difficult job, or maybe even that you're a mechanic. You'd be wrong on both counts.

>physical labor that destroys your body
Maybe if you're a complete idiot. There's almost always a safe way to do things. Idiots often choose a stupid way that may not even get the job done any faster and injure themselves. But also, if you think sitting stationary for hours on end is any better for your body, you've apparently never heard of hernias, hemorrhoids, carpal tunnel, or blood clots in the leg, just to name a few (and these can be worse because in some cases, there isn't much that can be done about it).

In reality, you're just a pussy manbaby that's afraid of getting dirty. Get your nails done so we can see you from afar.

this is shit
dismal corporate propaganda

>due to illegals and visa workers
used to be a manager at a restaurant that hired a bunch of illegal mexicans. They were the hardest workers we had. They were kind, and they were providing for their families the best they could. They lived up to Mike Rowe's list better than I do.

And I bet they were paying taxes and not literally sending the money back to mexico. Degenerates like yourself should be hung.

>In reality, you're just a pussy manbaby that's afraid of getting dirty.
Imagine thinking that working in an office makes you a pussy manbaby. You're projecting way too hard, I bet you're not even 35% bf with 5in wrists. I'll tell my sweet Thai wife about this when I get home from getting hernias and having my rectum blown out all day.

Works on my machine
t. Bellevue

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>It's not really a difficult job.
You have no idea what you're talking about. You seriously HAVE NO IDEA what you're talking about.

Imagine this.

You've just been assigned to a project.
It's a 100,000 line SHIT FEST written by pajeet.
It has a bug tracker with 50 entries, 25 of which are stale.

They want it working within a month. "HURRR PROGRAMMING IS EASY". Fuck off.

>its not really a difficult job

Try programming anything of actual significant value or world usage.

I used to work physical labor myself, I'm just telling the truth. I'm a contortionist and even the first factory job I had which was only a summer job destroyed my body following the standardized procedure. I went from being able to do a 1 foot oversplit with each leg without warming up to not even being able to do a full butterfly stretch without warming up for several minutes. over the course of 3 minutes.
So what, they aren't needed. The US doesn't have a labor shortage or a skills gap. Illegals, visa workers, and even regular immigrants nothing but a nanny state for business to keep waged depressed.
>kind
If that were true they wouldn't invade another country and lower wages for the actual citizens.
>Mike Rowe's list
kys

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no but companies and certain ideologies do, why do you think they keep trying to artificially push certain groups into programming?

as a previous mechanic that is just now getting into programming, it doesnt work like that. In order to make money in those manual labor trades you have to be fast, and you have to be willing to sacrifice your health in order to make hours. If your not making hours then you might as well be working at burger king for the same $/hr and not stressing out everyday.

The difficulty of the job has little to do with how much it pays, it's supply and demand. A lot of companies are looking for programmers, so thus they need to offer quite a pretty penny to keep up with the rest of the corporate world.

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Whether or not it is difficult is subjective. It can be a very easy (yet still challenging) job in a decent work environment where everyone is on the same page with regards to coding style and where management has reasonable expectations, it is not difficult. Even without Pajeets, such places are unicorns.

You can pay your programmers peanuts, but you're going to get shit results. Equifax, Target, Yahoo and Sony learned this the hard way.

so why is majority of software and libraries shit?

>The vast majority of people are literally incapable of programming at a professional level

Full time pro memester here. Is it feasible to transform her into a 'snap, this is going in my ____ folder'?

Thanks in advance,
Kenneth Kekkers

>Hire one god tier autist savant programmer
>Pay him 250k + bonuses
>Get your platform out in two years
-OR-
>Get 4 pajeets/diversity hires
>Pay them 60k each
>Product stuck in development hell for 4 years
>Competitor who hired the autist launches 2 years ahead of you
>They steal your market, then get bought out for a cool billion before anyone even knows about your company and they're now backed by bigdickmegawebnet that's worth 200 billion

You can't just throw more people at difficult problems. This means highly skilled programmers will be paid disproportionately more than shitty ones.

>It's not really a difficult job.
>Have to stay focused and undistracted for 8 hours each day
>Most people can't even take a 5 min bus ride without fiddling around with their phone

This. Most so-called developers are barely capable of working on anything independently.
And the managers have almost no way to tell who can actually get shit done (at least in the short term).
Best to just pay enough to keep the real talent around.

Too bad you're too much of a retard to code

>bust my ass for years in college getting Summa Cum Laude honors for a CS degree
>realize I fucking hate programming
>wind up working for local government crawling on floors tracing Ethernet cables and resetting network passwords for decent pay
>also shitpost while at work
Not bad, my niggas.

Yes.
Just started. I was looking forward to some challenges. I should've committed to maths instead........

why should i pay a bunch of pajeets?

A social contract for the poor.
>Literally puting your head on the guillotine and asking for it.
The actual state of burguers. You all deserve this.
But no rich people contracts or corp ones: BurguerLand.

*SNAP*

YEP, THIS ONE'S GOING IN MY CRINGE COMPILATION.

what kind of a wagebull company makes you code for 8 hours straight?

>finishes CS to be a programmer
fucking brainlet

You're not paying for the job. You're paying for (ideally) years of experience and training that enables them to DO the job without fucking shit up.

everyone who doesn't build houses or grow food is overpaid.

Of course they are overpaid.
Why do you think companies are focusing on quantity over quality in addition to employing from 3rd world shitholes?
Because manpower oversaturation + 3rd world standards = valid excuse to lower average salary because no company would seek self-destruction with reckless use of finance on code cucks.
What you need to understand is that programming is the burger flipping of today. The sweatshops of today. Programmers are literal garbage people, mindless drones especially validated as such by their lack of social skills, who exist to be taken advantage of. Such garbage deserves constantly decreasing salaries.

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There are no realistic expectations of programmers managing to create relationships with the opposite sex and producing offspring to serve as a future productive workforce, therefore there should be no incentive to pay them more than a toilet cleaner.

I'd wager the best balance there would be one semi-autist at $125k, then 2 entry-level people at 62.5k

t. dairy queen front counter

>tfw no ai waifu

I'd still have a higher salary than the average programmer bub, and all that fine pussy coming to buy my milk.

Was just using extremes as an example, would really depend on the situation. Don't underestimate the autists though, have had those guys take on the work of whole teams as a side project just because they didn't like how it was being done. Efficiency and putting in solid 10 hour days can make things go faster than you'd assume.

thats not how it works, how old are you. 12?

I wish I was making 60k. I'm making about 46k euros in Germany, out of which I get about 28k after taxes and mandatory health care. A two room apartment is about 1k per month where I'm at. Doesn't leave that much. I'm still at the start of my career (been working for only a year) but still.

>A two room apartment is about 1k per month where I'm at.

That's pretty expensive..
You're from Munich?

I was already in school, what was I supposed to do?

Looks like you ended up taking to the more physically laborious technician job, nothing wrong with that. Good luck on your future endeavors.