Happy Doomsday

Isn't this shit the reason why Youtube/Google, Amazon, and a whole bunch of large media services have locally-hosted CDNs within the ISPs' own network? So they don't have to pay a higher bandwidth usage "tax" from the ISP because most of the bandwidth being consumed is coming from cache servers inside the ISP's own networks (which they pay the ISPs for)?

Why are we fretting over NN being dead for again?

because muh gubment knows best
but if you support drump and the wall you're racist cause he aint my president

:(

How about you stop letting your governments set up municipal monopolies for ISPs, then call it a free market. "Net neutrality" is only an issue because people like you created monopolies in the first place by trusting the government to regulate it all.

This guy gets it. Now time for the smaller isps to grow and shine

As a matter of fact, 100% this

Because it's an astroturfed issue propagated by Reddit, Google and porn sites with a few simpleton narratives and le packaging memes.
An incredibly complex issue involving law and technology is beyond the knowledge of most and analyzing that is beyond the intelligence of most.

Fucking this.

Fucking pornHub has local CDNs with practically every single ISP in the country. How much more traffic do they need to stream across providers?

>muh big corps are evil
commies fuck off please

how do i do that?

So like half of the internet then?

>companies using government power to become monopolies is actually a good thing and youre a commie
What?

that's deluded. which refugee infested shithole are you from? the one that's kicking them out, the one that's stopping the influx, the one that's about to get swamped?

Except municipal ISPs can't secure permits to build and then lease line usage because of monopolies pushing laws on the local and state levels.

> Isn't this shit the reason why Youtube/Google, Amazon, and a whole bunch of large media services have locally-hosted CDNs within the ISPs' own network?
Which is all well and good if you can afford that.
This creates another artificial barrier to entry for smaller competitors.

This so fucking much t b q h

> Claims to support the free market
> Wants to allow monopolies abuse their monopoly position to cripple competition

/thread

>corporate swoon runs on >muh free market b.s.
>blames the government when said corporate goon starts serving their corporate sponsors at the expense of the people
Is that you Ted Rafael Cruz, champion of """small govirmins"?

God I fucking wish

They still throttled sites under net neutrality. Why do you think YouTube is so slow?

Absolutely fucking retarded.
The post is clearly about how repealing NN makes no sense in the face of the restrictive market.
If repealing NN is supposed to help small isps we'd have a fuck ton of documented cases of NN fucking up a small ISP.
And I don't think that happens because there's nothing you could sensibly consider a small ISP.

On top of that NN only implies you don't favor certain traffic. Throttling on the entire line is still permissible so how could this be an issue for small ISPs. They do nothing and their problems with the law is sorted.

that cartoon is retarded. a more real analogy would be a two lane road and those massive land trains from australia being corporations like amazon, google, fb, while the puny cars are the rest of us.
sure all traffic is equal :^)

Maybe this will finally put an end to javascript page bloat.

>muh free market
There is literally nothing wrong with capitalism you commie swine.

The land trains still move at the same speed as the cars though, that's the point.

fewer
FEWER ameriburgers, you dumb illiterate fuck

>that 70 year old boomer who thinks his opinion matters
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Simply having more money than another company doesn't give your company an advantage. You still have to spend money to make money. Only state interference can produce the difference in growth rates that creates the conditions for a monopoly to form.

Holy shit you guys are dumb

Here in EU we've had some cases of big ISPs trying to bully and screw small ISPs over and there's been court cases that show that net neutrality really is very important.

It doesn't matter in the US, though. Local monopolies where half a city has only one ISP and the other half only has one other ISP to "choose" from is a thing there (unlike most of the world). It makes zero difference if there is or isn't net neutrality if you're not allowed to put cables in the ground.

>there's been court cases that show that net neutrality really is very important.
let me explain this in simple terms so your monkey brain can understand
the law isn't applied equally
the "companies that matter" do NOT get fined

>the "companies that matter" do NOT get fined
As I already pointed out: they do - here. The US has some rather big problems beyond net neutrality. Of course.. the US doesn't have police running around arresting people who write "bad things" on the Internet, so there's that.

>net neutrality was literally a scam and you're buying into propaganda

Kekeke we euroboard now bois

Pai needs to die.

>not living in a state that already made net neutrality into law
stay plebeian

lard is uncountable

Net neutrality asks for 1 MB of Netflix to be treated the same as 1 MB of Jow Forums. You ask to ban moderation. Don't you think those 2 issues might be a touch different?

>didn't do anything for years without NN
>NN in place nothing changes
>NN repealed nothing changes

least the scaremongering is over

You are getting cucked evev harder by EU and it's new comyright laws in less than a month.

yeah they are different

one uses 10-25mbps constantly for hours and the other uses the same for

good
now stop being poor

>data hogs should get federal protection

This is what liberals actually believe

And why is that a problem of the service and not the ISP who oversell their capacity and are unable to deliver what they advertise? If I pay for 100 Mbit unlimited and actually choose to use it to its fullest potential it's only ISP's fault if they can't deliver what I paid for. If they can't provide it, they should't offer it.

>Before building out new networks, Internet Service Providers (ISPs) must negotiate with local governments for access to publicly owned “rights of way” so they can place their wires above and below both public and private property. ISPs also need “pole attachment” contracts with public utilities so they can rent space on utility poles for above-ground wires, or in ducts and conduits for wires laid underground.

>The problem? Local governments and their public utilities charge ISPs far more than these things actually cost.

lol what a garbage article, yeah you need permission before ripping up hundreds of miles of sidewalk

and then expecting the government to do this at cost price for you

top kek

and why is that a problem of the ISP?

>everybody is equally slow, or you're allowed to pay for premium service

hmmmm

until it happens in your country too.
I don't get people like you. "It's not where I am, so why should I care?" then panics when it eventually gets to you instead of trying to prevent it from even coming to you in the first place.

wow this guy is so woke

If I'm not mistaken, they're the ones who sell a service offering access to data on the internet at certain speed with in my example no upper limit on how much data gets transferred. Why does it matter which service I choose to use this privilege I paid for on? 1 MB is 1 MB no matter where it came from.

Are you retarded? Google and netflix are willing to hand out shekels to maintain fast lanes which small businesses cant afford

small business wont have to pay because their service isn't fucking hogging the bandwidth

ISPs were paid according to use prior to net neutrality, now they have the option to sell packages which offer priority data traffic for those willing to pay

oh now it will take 2 seconds to load a webpage of a small business instead of 1.
kys

>had option to pay before
>literally only netflix had to pay
>but now you think they will make everyone pay

if there isn't any strain on their network they don't have to expand

netflix and streaming sites are the strain, so they can pay

>nothing happened before NN
>nothing happened with obama NN
>nothing happening now

yeah better seize all fibre from the ISPs but lol so greedy

Yay, nothing changes!

>own small business
>don't need netflix or high download speed
>a few Mb/s and a few GB usage cap is literally all that the shop needs for email, orders and backup
>can only buy expensive fiber options because i have to help cover costs for normies and their on-demand video bs

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So why don't you tell your ISP that there is demand for such service?

What of you're trying to build a Netflix competitor?

>we're your only choice, we do what we want and you can't do shit
Basically the same reason why socialism fail over and over again, except corporate.

Bullshit. There are laws to break up monopolies and prevent mergers precisely because unregulated, free market can fall into the trap of monopolies. Once you become too big a fish, you can prevent other fish from spawning

monopolies aren't illegal

Then you pay the money to ISPs for your infrastructure just like netflix.

>ISPs should host my website for me

>Antitrust laws
Yes, not illegal by default, but most of the time they end up being. Not to mention anticompetitive.

Yeah, that's called artificial barrier to entry

>Quality web hosting for small businesses will probably become dirt cheap now if anything.

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that pic on the right is how isps have worked under nn here in europe all the time. you pay more, you're the vip. nobody has ever had any issues that couldn't be resolved.

Now you understand that this system was created by likes of google and netflix themselves and they wanted ISPs to prevent small companies to grow. NN was preventing ISPs from charging those big companies for exploiting this legal loophole.

Death of NN effectively fix this by giving ISPs right to charge those big companies according to the services they use.

>being a commie faggot

>nothing to show for NN in place
>nothing happened bad before
>other countries without NN fine

yeah it's nothing

you cunts just want it because you think you will get $12/m gigabit

>everything besides major platforms goes to 5KBs
>return of glorious web 1.0 aesthetics and design

Yes please.

ISPs should be nothing more than hardware - pipeline.

What flows through it should not be their business.

ISP's should also allow control over inbound QoS for every individual user.

>illegal content shouldn't be their business
>people running servers shouldn't be their business
>people using their pipes for illegal business shouldn't be their business

The issue is it isn't a free market because broadband infrastructure is massively expensive to build in the last mile, so only one ISP usually serves a geographic area.

A single choice can never be a free market

I will switch to a Project Fi hotspot for home internet if ISPs come at me.

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i like how retards think backhaul is unlimited

In Australia we've had heaps of ISPs over promise and fail to deliver. Even had 1 had to cancel signups because the whole state was congested to unusable speeds.

once they upgraded though signups continued..... so back to being shit

it's the same on our national network now. there's always one offering $30 less than the rest btu fails to buy the bandwidth from the NBN(national broadband network) and then everyone gets shit speeds

It's not the business of the post office if someone sends death threats by mail

if they're aware it's a death threat then yes, it is.

also

>Postal Service Confirms Photographing All U.S. Mail
>the Chief Postal Inspector may, without a search warrant or the sender's or addressee's consent, authorise the screening of such mail by any means capable of identifying explosives, nonmailable firearms, or other dangerous contents in the mails.
> Northrop adapted aspects of more than 20 systems already in use by the US military for biological warfare tests to the specific needs of the USPS
> the U.S. Postal Inspection Service has responded to more than 52,000 calls about suspicious mail since 2001, it said, and inspectors respond to about 10 calls daily.

Postal inspectors are federal agents too

Please tell me, why are you against monopolies? I never understood why people want to force businesses for being too successful instead of letting the market take care of everything itself. So if I became the #1 company selling x item on my own back and blood, does that mean a hippie like you will come in and cry I made too much money and ask the government to destroy my business?

>free market
>its inherently regulated by the fact any company can't lay their own infrastructure where ever they want

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>I'm a literal Boomer
Problem detected
Opinion discarded

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Okay. Now did anybody in US noticed anything except a bunch of news? I do not want to hear about theoretical things, I am asking about what actually was done.

>muh free market
The American ISP market isn't free. It's really hard for a new company to start since there is a lot of red tape behind

wow this is some fake news.

Serious question, why would tiered internet be bad? You could have "base" internet that is very cheap and for extra 10$ or so you can buy unlimited access for netflix, youtube, etc.

>ISPs right to charge

ISPs are just pipes. They charge you the customer and provide the piping. What flows through it and where you got it is non of their business.