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>giving a shit what normalfags think
I've gotten my fiance and 4 friends I actually care about on things like telegram and wire.
If your friends don't contact you in the way you want, they probably don't care enough about you.

>CPU is backdoored
>libreboot is placebo
>CPU is backdoored even if no code is running to execute said backdoor
Riiiight...

>U-matrix is placebo
It provably isn't. If you think it's a placebo you have absolutely no idea what it's intended to do. (i.e. not protect you from the NSA, just from regular trackers and other unwanted web content).

>All open-source programs is placebo,
What does that even mean?

0/10 fear mongering crap.

Ok, you might have a setup were you get sufficient socialization and dopamine and other neurotransmitters from that social interaction to were you are stable. See what happens if you stop using the internet. Because you are still using your phone and internet, Wire and Telegram are placebo. I give you a week, then you'll be back. Document what your friends and family think about you and how that effects your mental state.

U-Matrix isn't placebo in a lower-tier setting but the higher tier is already compromised if that makes sense. It's like stopping genital warts when you already have AIDS kinda like this guy put it. >All open-source programs is placebo,
By this I meant some people want to only use open source programs were everything they are running is open source. Trying to paint a picture were everything is placebo if you are connected to the internet.

>wire and telegram are placebo
which is why no one has gotten encryption keys from telegram and authoritarian countries are banning it

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Ok, I just want you to understand.
Here it is: Having true encrypted messaging for 0.01% of people using phone messaging isn't going to save you. That just means (1) aspect of your interaction with people might be somewhat safe, even if there is no evidence for this. WhatsApp for example has keys. Microsoft has keys to BitLocker and are sent to them straight away.
There is already tension created with having to convince your friends and family to use a non-standard messaging app.
Your phone is already compromised so messaging doesn't really matter.
China banning anything isn't real and doesn't matter.
You don't matter if you aren't trying to influence the masses.
There are special rules for special people. AKA if you are trying to influence the masses and escape slavery you will run into problems.

>There is already tension created with having to convince your friends and family to use a non-standard messaging app.
You must have a very bad relationship with your "friends" and family.

>Riiiight...
I thought it was self-evident and that people already knew that and I was debating that posting this was redudant and not to post it. You don't actually believe it has any effect do you? When you see the truth with your own eyes you realize what a small step of ridiculousness all that is. It's like when you were a kid and playing video games and thinking the video games were bigger than they actually are, that you could go anywhere and do anything, then when you get older you realize it's just graphics rendered onto a small portion and that beyond that is blackness.

Ways to stop using tech and avoid isolating yourself:

Go outside.
Talk to people.
Get drunk in a pub.
Take up outdoor hobbies that are popular and have other people around the locations in which you do them.

Ever heard of actually going down to your friends or family?
Like, go down to their house, knock on the door and talk in private there?
The internet isn't essential for communication unless you're paralyzed or some shit.

>Go outside
In London you get more tracked outside than inside lmao

Not my fault you live in a third world country.

Ah well I'm lucky enough to be up near the Lake District. Lots of emptiness and lack of cameras.

>three letter agencies could potentially target you through your cpu if you're a high impact target
>this means blocking facebook trackers is placebo
Alright, lad.
There are many different levels of privacy/security and you should stop lumping them all together. You clearly don't understand that different tools or measures serve different purposes.

Actually a "third world" country is the one place you probably wouldn't be tracked.

How much do you want to bet that your friends and family have phones in their pocket recording your conversation? Or during the conversation they take a snapchat or send a message. Maybe they have alexa or something like that. You are rarely private these days.
I understand privacy/security just fine. Like I said Facebook trackers are of lower priority, it's trying to take water out of a sinking ship. That is if you are using the internet, it's the least of your problems.

And how are you excluded from any of your arguments? What makes you special? Are you trying to say that you've given in?

Then don't connect to the internet with the same machine where your important stuff is. Problem solved.
WHAT IS AN OFFLINE WORKSTATION?

So what you're saying is: Because we can't win one specific difficult battle, we should all just give up and go home?

I'm not excluded. I'm just trying to tell you that computer are used to keep smart people inside, with little busy work like ricing desktops which is the same as like watching Netflix. And that trying to be "safe" is the same as trying to fill a water bucket with holes in it. It's busy work with no real value. And I'm not even saying going outside is the answer, you wont be safe there either. This whole thread started from telling that guy that EVERYONE has the illusion of privacy. And the people with actual privacy aren't threats, because they are helpless. You know when you look at a ants nest with a magnifying glass and see all the little scapers frantically going from place to place, trying to build a big safe nest, but you know you could completely destory it in seconds and that their effort wasn't necessary, that is what UMatrix and Libreboot and Open Src is. Calm down.

Do you have a printer connected?
Do you ever connect your Wi-Fi enabled phone to it via USB?
How do you transfer files? With a USB or hard-drive?
Ok, so you plug in the hard-drive, which gets filled with what you have been doing on the "offline" workstation, You plug the hard-drive into a ONLINE computer and that data on the offline workstation gets sent.
You took the ethernet cable away, or "disabled" Wi-Fi on a laptop which has built in Wi-Fi. Oh but packets are still being sent? Strange isn't it.

>Your CPU is back-doored.
fair enough
>VPN is placebo,
that depends
>U-Matrix is placebo
umatrix has more to do with security than privacy, dumbass
>All open-source programs is placebo
>Libreboot is placebo.
>I don't know what I'm talking about
>Even if you aren't connected to internet there is some evidence of being tracked.
People were always being tracked, if not by technology, then by their own neighbors. It's inevitable, but that doesn't mean we have to just give up and spread our ass for everyone to see.
>Wi-Fi printer sends data
Don't buy wifi printers then
>Phone connected to usb sends data.
Device dedicated to sending data sends data, no fucking shit, radio towers send out radio waves, whoa dude, so redpilled
>Open source distro isn't any better, you are running some fat guys code on your machine.
And I have your mom's pussy juice on my dick

Nice pseudo-enlightened post, friend. Bet you feel like quite the intellectual with all the "redpills" you just dropped.

You didn't contradict my post at all.
Why did you get offended by the fat thing so much? I'm not trying to sound enlightened, I just feel sorry for people wasting their time.

issue in this reasoning:
The usual scenario is not to deny gov agencies entry. Your target are lower level threats that don't have direct access to those backdoors.

no
Don't have an smartphone
both
I don't have a WiFi capable router and in my house is no smartphone reception due to thick walls.
There is no way something gets in or out of my house via something that isn't a cable and i have full control over these.

>Ok, so you plug in the hard-drive, which gets filled with what you have been doing on the "offline" workstation, You plug the hard-drive into a ONLINE computer and that data on the offline workstation gets sent.
That's why you use open source "placebo" software
>You took the ethernet cable away, or "disabled" Wi-Fi on a laptop which has built in Wi-Fi. Oh but packets are still being sent? Strange isn't it.
That's why you use open source "placebo" drivers

>I just feel sorry for people wasting their time.
Nah, you're just a retard unaware of your own lack of intellect. All you're doing is throwing words around pretending you know what you're talking about.

>gets out
So is anything from your offline workstation EVER on a online computer? If the answer is NO, then you don't matter anyway because you can't influence anything. They have already made you cower into obscurity.
If the answer is YES. Then they know what you are doing on the offline workstation.
All of this is trying to fill a water bucket with holes anyway like I said earlier.

Bumping for this

Again you did nothing to contradict my post, And again showed you are trying to hold on and live in the delusion created for you.

You do understand that packets are sent anyway for non nefarious reasons right? If you want to look up the protocols and check the contents of the packets of which you speak, I'm sure you'd find that's exactly what's being sent. There's paranoia and then there's schizophrenia.

What are non-nefarious packets if we are talking about achieving absolute privacy? There is some entity always getting data from what you do. And the instant you do something which is of higher level you run into issues.

HELLO JTRIG AGENT!

HOW IS BRITBONG'S WEATHER TODAY?

I SEE YOU'RE USING A NEW TACTIC TODAY. THE APPEAL TO FUTILITY FALLACY.

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Arthur Schopenhauer. Guessing it's "The World as Will and Representation"

Illusion of privacy.
Illusion of security.
Illusion of comfort.
Illusion of stability.

Who doesn't suffer from these? Stay vigilant, Jow Forums. Never give in to these illusion even when you're asleep.

Yeah, I did nothing to contradict your post. I'm sure that disabled wifi adapter has secret ways to bypass its driver and all the hardware between it and the filesystem on your HDD to access your porn collection and send that data out to Santa Claus. You're a fucking chemtrails-tier retard.
>hurr durr dont bother hiding your thoughts, the aliens can read your mind with space waves

Wifi packets are always being sent out, that's how the fucking protocol works. Don't use it if you don't like it, but at least verify your "knowledge" before opening your mouth. Also, if you weren't a neanderthal with brain deficiency, you'd know you can intercept wifi packets. Try it yourself and see what SUPER SECRET DATA it's sending out to the gubmint while you're not looking. Dumb shit.

Non nefarious would be any packet that is sent according to the protocol and containing the data it should as laid out in the protocol.
If it's actual data you're worried about then simply don't transfer it from an offline workstation. Anyone who thinks that connecting a USB drive to your offline workstation allows people to see what's on the workstation are beyond deluded.
If you were in a criminal case however, it could be proven that USB drive had been connected to the workstation, by physically examining both. Otherwise though, no one would ever know, or care.

>connecting a USB drive to your offline workstation allows people to see what's on the workstation are beyond deluded.
I never said this. I said if the USB is connected to a online computer after it was connected to the offline computer, then they can see what was done on the offline computer.

Who is they?
And we are talking about privacy here. All my important data is on my offline machine and therefore safe and not accessible by anyone but me.
The end result of my work gets into public, not necessarily into the web.
So yeah, people know what kind of profession i have, but to say that this equals to KNOWING what i do on my machine is fucking stupid.

Can the NSA break into my computer to see what i do...only if they come over.
Can Micro$oft push their updates and suck data to sell? Nope
Can someone infect my computer with a rootkit or cryptotrojan. Highly unlikely.

My data is safe, my privacy isn't an illusion, its a fact.

It depends what this "important" data is?
Is it work? If it's work it might be important, and therefore compromised because there is no way to transfer it safetly.

Are you implying you can't have a healthy social life without the internet?

I've got a nice group of friends who meet up about once or twice a week. Only phonecalls for communication. We play DnD and watch movies and 90s anime. It's totally possible to have a healthy social life without social media.

Firstly, no not really. Secondly, this still requires physical access to the device. Your PC isn't constantly transmitting useless data about file modification times and shit, unless someone infected it with a virus that's interested in shit loads of meaningless data. Again this is really only a cause for concern if your things are seized as part of some dodgy criminal shit.

Plus you can always just format the drive after transferring files from the online to offline, then format it again on the online one. There'd be no file records for it to surreptitiously share. All it could say is that you formatted it.

DOS and floppy discs. Unless you don't trust old DOS either.

The formating thing would work, but the files from the offline computer still are going online, if you connect the hard-drive to a online computer after, but I guess that is the point if you want to share your work.

The problem isn't that, there is nothing wrong with the actual USB drive or hard-drive it's connecting them to a online computer. Internet access is the problem here, it's the root cause of this thread. You are never safe if you have internet.

Bullshit.
I have an encrypted drive which i take to the client and copy my data on their computer.
This is no rocket science.
If the client doesn't care i send it to him per post or even per web.

You don't seem to get my argument here. The moment i give my work away i don't have any control whatsoever. But i don't care about that. Its not important. I get payed, i don't care anymore. Its their thing now. What is important is that no disaster like Meltdown or Spectre or some Cryptotrojan based on it could destroy or risk my work and my personal data because i can't be attacked by someone.
No personal data goes out, unless i do it.
Safety in my world means, no outside risk, no external meddling with my hard- and software.

Exactly. And if you're super paranoid, there are ways to strip all access, creation, modification etc information from a file entry.

>There really is no escape, because if you stop using tech and internet you isolate yourself and there are CIA and RAND corporation studies on what isolation does to the brain, you regress your literal brain matter decreases in size and you develop mental issues that are hard to reverse.
source?

Well "safe" is relative here. Things I'd rather weren't broadcast online are things like my name, date of birth, location, exact address, bank details etc. And I have no reason to believe my PC is doing any of those except my rough location based on IP, which is inaccurate in the UK anyway, but since the IP bill passed I switched to using a VPN all the time, so my ISP only gets encrypted shit and everything else gets a false IP.

Biggest security risks really come from browser settings, sites you're signed up to, any software that's not only free, but let's you use their bandwidth and shit for free (discord for example, don't trust that a shit, teamspeak on the other hand, allows you to run your own server, or rent more reliable servers, an obvious source of income).

Ok. So you still have personal data going out. There isn't a way to live your life without this happening. You could use a computer that is NEVER accessing anything, no internet, no hard-drives. But what would be the point of doing anything on that computer? They know what you are doing on our computer, and that is the problem. And if that data on the computer never has eyes laid on it, it's not important because It can't influence or effect anything. You could be on a offline computer until you are 80 never accessing anything, but nothing you did on it never mattered.

Nothing like that matters, so you don't have to worry.

This "personal" data you're talking about though, firstly what it could possibly be depends on your online habits anyway. But if you're nice and careful, what identifiable, what very sensitive data could possibly be being transmitted without your knowing anyway? It only matters of it can be directly tied to you, personally.

This. OP is completely full of shit and most of what he said is either a half truth, distortion, or outright lie.

Its astonishing how much mental gymnastics you undertake to not accept that you lost the argument.
>They know what you are doing on our computer, and that is the problem.
They don't. And you don't even know who "they" are.
>And if that data on the computer never has eyes laid on it, it's not important because It can't influence or effect anything.
You are retarded if you really believe that.
I just told you how i can access anything without giving away anything i don't want.
>You could be on a offline computer until you are 80 never accessing anything, but nothing you did on it never mattered.
We are talking about privacy here not your obscure philosophy