If you want help >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses - e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g. photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing
Overclocking >DO NOT BUY AN 8000K SERIES CPU IF YOU AREN'T OVERCLOCKING >Delid 8000K series >Use Precision Boost 2 offsets to overclock Ryzen 2000X series
CPUs >R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming (dGPU optional) >R5 2400G - Consider if close to 2200G price >R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs >i7-8700K - Best for gaming, but most expensive platform & delid necessary >R7 2700/X - Best mainstream high-end mixed usage >Threadripper/used Xeon - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
Motherboards >Don't buy A320 (All Ryzen is unlocked) >Only Z300 series Intel boards can utilize memory over 2666MHz
RAM >8GB - Enough for most gaming use >16GB - Standard for heavy use >32GB - Too much for most users >2933MHz+ is ideal; 3200 CL14 is B-die
Storage >StoreMI can make HDDs better >Consider getting a larger SSD instead of SSD+HDD >2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB >M.2 can be SATA or PCIe >PCIe/NVMe for intensive use only
Video cards >SLI and CrossFire are unadvisable MSRP of common cards >(GTX) 1050- $110, Ti- $140; 1060 3GB- $200, 6GB- $230; 1070- $380, Ti- $450; 1080- $500, Ti- $700 >(RX) 570 4GB- $170; 580 8GB- $230; Vega 56- $400; Vega 64- $500 1080p >1050 Ti, 1060 3/6GB, or 570/580 >1070 or Vega 56 if you're looking for 100+ fps & have a CPU to match 1440p >1070/Ti, 1080 or Vega 56/64 >1080 Ti if you're looking for 100+ fps & have a CPU to match 2160p >1080 Ti
Monitors >G-SYNC only with high budget/refresh rate >Always consider FreeSync with RX cards >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
Yes I know... you see why for like 15+ of these threads I just don't really recommend Noctua. At least not for Ryzen. It's a lot of money that you REALLY, REALLY don't need to spend to cool a soldered CPU. You can do 4GHz on a 1600 with a fucking $20 cooler and stay under 70C fine.
Uhh there's tons of good Freesync options. What are you looking for? 1080? 1440p? Gayming? Gayming but with also decent enough picture? High color gamut coverage?
That it has a cache, 3D NAND, and reliability (at least 750x the TBW as GB). MX500 is generally the best all around choice.
Not terrible, but don't know exactly given you didn't say what monitor you are using. Generally 1080Ti would be with 1440p or maybe light 4k, in which case it's stupid to get a 8700k when you can save like $200 getting a 2600X for the same 1440p or higher FPS.
Asher Myers
Ok /pcbg/ I have a question for you:
I'm setting up a new build, not buying now but in the future. I will use it primarily for games (single player and emulation).
Should I go 1060 6GB+Rando $100 monitor OR RX 580 8gb+Freesync?
I've never used AMD for graphics before. What are the good 580's? What should I look for?
I want good performance (duh), but also I don't want something too hot or too much of a power drain. Is freesynch worth the sacrifice in those two areas for the games I plan to use?
Brayden Ramirez
Repostin
So, I'm going to be building a PC soon. Budget is about 1800 bongs but this is the first time I've built a PC so I don't really know what to choose beyond picking the top option for everything on PC part's picker.
Main use is probably going to be vidya but I also do some memory intensive art stuff so decent ram for photoshop.
>Not terrible, but don't know exactly given you didn't say what monitor you are using.
Cheap AOC monitor. It does the job but not really sure about it's quality.
Alexander Wilson
Should I be looking for anything specific in an Intel motherboard if I'm not going to be overclocking or doing anything crazy? Just looking for something cheap and reliable for an i5 8400
Hudson Richardson
>Uhh there's tons of good Freesync options. What are you looking for? 1080? 1440p? Gayming? Gayming but with also decent enough picture? High color gamut coverage? don't care for adaptive sync i just want a cheap one to pair with my gtx 1070 and everything i come across in the budget space is shite. the only good 144hz by the looks of it are the high end IPS ones.
so far i've looked at: ViewSonic - XG2401 ASUS VG248QE AOC G2460PF Acer GF246 Samsung LC24FG73FQUXEN
all are 24" 1080p 144hz for a budget price
Adam Torres
Get a Ryzen 2700, an X370 board, a CVL RAM, any air cooling solution that could handle the 2700, and take the savings to buy a good monitor
Blake Barnes
Get a b360 with 2666 ram or the cheapest z370 with 3200 ram if you want the extra 5-10% perf
Ian Foster
I thought I'd post this for reference just incase.
And thanks for the advice. I'll do some more research then comeback. By the way, what does CVL stand for?
Dylan Perry
certified vendors list. If your RAM is there, chances are you can overclock it and 99.99% it will werk.
Xavier Rivera
so I could use some help as I am totally new to this and and trying to google my way through building. I have never had a PC, and want to get one for gaming and just browsing the internet. I don't want anything super fancy, just nice enough to play games on high settings comfortably that'll last for a while.
This is what I have in my cart, will all of these pieces work with one another? The CPU is r3 2200g bundled with the motherboard
In terms of CPU I know AMD offers better performance for price but is there any other reason to use it over Intel?
Tyler Reed
Alright /pcbg/ the wireless card in my PC is giving me a lot of trouble. I honestly think it's driver related but no matter what version I'm on and what I do I can't fix it. So I need suggestions for a decent wireless/Bluetooth card for a decent price. Don't really want to go higher than $100 unless I have to. Current one uses Intel Wireless ac dual band 7260 driver and I'd prefer my new one to use something else.
Samuel Allen
If you are getting a new monitor, obviously you should go RX580 since you can get a 75hz freesync one, IPS or not, in the $100-$150 range.
75hz is a nice improvement over 60, and since it's Freesync you don't have to worry about only being 60+ or 50+ as more demanding games may come out.
>I've never used AMD for graphics before. What are the good 580's? What should I look for? Strix, Red Devil, Nitro+, GTR, Gaming X. For a more middle option, that Armor Mk2 is $280 +$20 steam gift card on newegg last I saw so $260 right now and probably what you should go with unless sometime changed.
Why do you need a 1080ti to drive a cheap AOC monitor?
Ethan Reed
>The CPU is r3 2200g bundled with the motherboard Why are you getting an APU and a dedicated GPU?
Gavin Nelson
>is there any other reason to use it over Intel? If you absolutely must have the best single-threaded performance and also hate money
Isaac Gutierrez
>Why do you need a 1080ti to drive a cheap AOC monitor?
As I said. Huge newfag over here. Didn't realize monitor's were such a huge deal.
Do you have a recommendations for a good monitor?
Jaxon Davis
>In terms of CPU I know AMD offers better performance for price but is there any other reason to use it over Intel? 2 main ones are that the AM4 socket is being supported until 2020, whereas Intel will likely change to a new chipset that's not backwards compatible next year.
People who bought a Ryzen 1000 chip in 2017 could update to these better 2000 series chips this year. Next year they can likely upgrade to Ryzen3000 series on 7nm (though it's questionable how well BIOS updates for the new chips will be supported on cheaper boards, especially b350 ones, even though they updated this time), and then 7nm+ in 2020. Whereas people who got a 7700k or other 7000 series intel CPU in 2017 had to get a new motherboard for the 8700k and such. And next year, if they want the 9700k, they'll likely need yet a new motherboard. Can't just update the BIOS and swap out the CPU like you generally can on AMD.
cause 4 cores is enough to drive a 1050ti and maybe user can't wait to use a better gpu? idk But yeah I'd recommend actually getting a 2400G and upgrading GPU later. That's so much fucking money for a 1050ti when RX580 4GB was on sale for $210 yesterday.
lol. Your monitor can't display more fps than its refresh rate. If you have a 60hz monitor, getting 200fps on the 1080ti isn't going to actually display 200fps. It'll still be 60fps. You'd need to get a new monitor to pair with it. Generally you'd get a Gsync one for 144hz or higher because some games will only play at 60fps, but 60fps on a 144hz monitor is going to tear and microstutter badly. 1070Ti with a 1440p 60hz monitor is another option if you don't need higher FPS but just want higher resolution. But getting Vega56 is a better option there.
I honestly don't know 100% what i'm doing so I don't even know what an APU is, can you elaborate? I'd appreciate an explanation
Benjamin Morales
how do gpu prices now compare to MSRP? my gpu is dying and i'm scared
Jaxson Powell
Vega56, 1070ti, RX580, and 1060 prices have generally been decent enough to be worth buying imo.
The Ryzen G CPUs have integrated GPU. On the 2200G, overclocked, it's about half the performance of the 1050Ti. So... enough to play games on 1080p low-medium settings. So the 1050Ti really isn't a massive upgrade over it and it makes more sense to just use the iGPU until you really feel you need a GPU upgrade and then to get a bigger upgrade.
Sebastian Russell
Asked in the other thread
>Is it me or 63€ (€) for a g403 is criminally high? g400 was 40, so was 402. What gives? Is it really that much better?
Henry Rodriguez
kinda stopped following around the whole mining "crisis", are gpu prices still fucked up ? was planing to get a Vega56
Brayden Rogers
>are gpu prices still fucked up ? SeeGPU prices for the low-end/mid tier cards are more or less at MSRP. Still high for 2 year old cards, but yeah.
Levi Wilson
oh interesting... I could run stuff on medium without even needing a video card installed? at what point would I start to see a bigger gain from a gpu, around the 1080 series? I don't mind spending more on a card, right now this is around $640 and my budget is to not go over $750 since I already have a monitor
Luke Gray
1060, 1070, 1070ti are valid options as well if you have the cash. Read the OP. The 1080 is overkill for 1080p.
Kevin Bennett
>The 1080 is overkill for 1080p Not if you want silky smooth 144hz on maxed settings
Gavin Peterson
Waver Velvet If you mean wired version, not worth it. Wireless version is great though You can find some card for at or slightly above MSRP AMD cards are usually higher price but FreeSync makes them viable
>I could run stuff on medium without even needing a video card installed Depends on fps you want. If you want a solid 60fps minimum, 2400G will generally do that in games like Path of Exile, Overwatch, easily CSGO, R6 Siege, GTAV, etc on medium settings or better. But on games like BF1, RE7, Far Cry 5, newer and/or more demanding stuff, you'd have to drop settings to low for that sort of FPS. And for horribly unoptimized crap like PUBG, I don't think you can expect a solid 60fps. More like 45-60 up and down.
I'd get a solid CPU(2400G), SSD, and such for now. Maybe even get a 75hz freesync monitor unless you're certain you couldn't use a monitor upgrade when you're on an old 1080p 60hz no-sync monitor.
But for $750, there is also that prebuilt on Amazon with an i5-8400 and RX580. Only downside is no SSD in it which will bottleneck you and you will feel it in some games. I personally couldn't play Path of Exile without an SSD and a lot of people have reported the same issue. Load times were so slow that it'd kick you offline for taking too long to load.
at ~$750 budget it's a question of... build solid foundation with 2400G now and upgrade GPU later, or get that prebuilt and have to add an SSD later or stretch your budget $100 to get one now, and go through the hassle of transferring the main drive to the SSD.
1070ti/1060/rx580 or even rx570 are generally sufficient for 144 at 1080p in tons of games where framerate matters like Overwatch, R6 Siege, Dota2, etc. Hell my friend has a 970 with a 144hz monitor. He just drops settings down and can get that in most games that aren't 60fps locked console ports, because he prefers the smoothness. Maxed/ultra settings is a scam.
Brah I run my MSI Gaming X 6GB GTX1060 on 1440p and get over 100fps in all titles on high settigs.
Benjamin Russell
I have that same PSU. Not in my current build, but yeah.
I had a good experience with it, but the fan is worn and loud now. Damn what a shitty experience for that guy, though.
Like I said in another thread: Hardware usually fails either in roughly the first year (really first month), or lasts 7+ years.
Not on all games tho. I do 2560x1600 on my RX580 on medium-high in just about everything, too. But lots of people have autism and have to max out everything in which case they'll probably just get in the 60-90 range at 1080p in newer stuff.
It's hard to recommend something that has so many conditionals.
>Not on all games tho. >I do 2560x1600 on my RX580 on medium-high in just about everything, too. But lots of people have autism and have to max out everything in which case they'll probably just get in the 60-90 range at 1080p in newer stuff.
>It's hard to recommend something that has so many conditionals. Not really it was a great card for the price I paid at the time. I could of resold it for twice what I paid but that has nothing to do performance.
I'm trying to run Looking Glass on Linux so I'm likely going to get a gtx1280ti and a equivalent AMD card in 3 or 4 years.
As long as it's 1024SMs like that one, RX560 is fine. Overclocks decent, too.
Problem is that price. That's nearly 1050Ti price (which is also overpriced at the moment). It's generally 1050Ti performance in newer games, namely vulkan and proper dx12, but only 1050 performance in older games. An RX580 is roughly double the performance.
Christopher Wright
Can I raid 0+1 four ssd's from my computer to my home nas? It's all HDD. Will it slow down the ssds?
trying to OC my Ryzen 5 1600, and I can't get it past 3.5GHz
I mean, I literally can't
no matter what settings I enter, when I apply them cinebench/speccy don't show the changes, and on restart Ryzen Master and my BIOS reset back to 3.5GHz
May be a dumb question but is there a preferred way of powering SSDs hanging at the back of the case when that SATA power cable you get with your PSU with a bunch of connectors in a row won't reach them? I don't really know what kind of cables exist that make life easy.
Matthew Edwards
kinda reminds me of the 1.5GHz bug which could only be fixed with BIOS update or changing clock/voltage slightly I don't know why it would be worse Not ideal but you can make it work
4K monitor recommendations? I use a Samsung 32" 2560x1440p monitor (non curved) for gaming and overall production purposes. I have a secondary 27" 1080p monitor I use for other shit and the lack of pixels just kills me. Doesn't have to be a fuck huge monitor. Has to have good viewing angles though and a good mount because I'd be using it in portrait mode.
RCPS3 has issues that are solved with some trouble shooting and config changes on the 8 cores, but otherwise works fine.
Not as good as 1080Ti, but I guess performance per dollar is slightly better there and there's 4k Freesync TVs so 40fps might not be terrible.
But if you're expecting 60fps minimum, you're going to have to turn settings down in lots of games. Even some older games like Fallout4 won't run at 4k 60fps maxed on anything less than a Titan V.
I really have no fucking idea. I'd assume Samsung since lots of their models have Freesync updates now.
SATA extension cable is fine.
I THINK Aorus Gaming 5 is cheapest with a clock gen? But why do you need it, other than slightly tighter memory tweaking? You'll probably max out stability of the chip at like 103-104BCLK and shouldn't need to go higher. Shitty BIOS and Gigabyte boards have gotten the worst user reviews, probably related to memory compatibility and shit. They also tend to give CPUs more voltage than they should.
Doesn't 500GB MX500 only cost a tiny bit more for double the storage?
Or you save money and get the 200 bong cheaper Freesync version of that monitor with Vega56. No point in getting less than a 1080Ti with that when a 1070Ti plus it is inferior to getting the Nixeus or some korean shit if you can get it there with a Vega56.
Evan Hall
Lack of voltage options/no LLC The 1080 TI then, duh.
Is using storeMI worth it? I was thinking on putting a 1TB NVME SSD or a large optane drive along a 4TB sata SSD, but I'm divided between having everything separated into nice partitions instead of just one big drive with everything in it
Isaiah Davis
>Or you save money and get the 200 bong cheaper Freesync version of that monitor with Vega56.
You mind spoonfeeding me? Can't find it.
Hunter Wilson
I have my 1600 OC'd to 3.7. Honestly will I noticeably get more eff pee ess if I push it to 3.9?
Mason Wilson
Ive only ever owned laptops and am about to build my first desktop. Please excuse the retarded question, but a lot of the CPUs sold now seem to come with integrated graphics. How does that work if I also add a discreet graphics card? Will it switch between integrated and discreet based on the workload, or will it just know to always just use the graphics card?
Hey /pcbg/, I'm new to PC building, and I'm looking for a little guidance. I want to build a dual-boot PC (arch and windows) for gaymen on windows and normal usage (Linux-compatable games, LaTeX, internet etc.) on arch. I'm planning on playing games like Civ6, Pillars of Eternity & other CRPGs, Dark Souls 1-3, Final Fantasy 14, etc. on the computer. My build is in USD and will be build in the USA. I'd like to come in under $2000ish. I'm planning on using two different physical drives because I've quite literally had windows OVERWRITE the bootloader I've thrown on the boot drive and, according to the search on pcpartpicker.com, 2 250 GB SSDs are the price of 1 500 GB SSD.
I looked at the guides on pcpartpicker and started playing around and have gotten this: pcpartpicker.com/list/cp374q
- I have no idea how to choose a monitor and would like some help with that. - Am I going too high moneywise on the curve? Is this just a waste of money if I'm only playing grand strategy games, crpgs, dark souls, an old(ish) MMO etc? - As an addendum to the last question, I would like to "future proof" my computer/graphics card. I'm sure I'll be playing games of some kind in the future. - I already have a CPU cooler on the list and the graphics card comes with its own fan - do I need a case fan too or is that enough? - How do I choose a good case?
>As an addendum to the last question, I would like to "future proof" my computer/graphics card. I'm sure I'll be playing games of some kind in the future Buy a 1080/1080 Ti They're quite futureproof for quite some time because they're still being sold and will hold value well. You're welcome t.miner
Blake Thompson
>I'm trying to run Looking Glass on Linux so I'm likely going to get a gtx1280ti and a equivalent AMD card in 3 or 4 years. inb4 new nvidia gpus detect running in a VM even with kvm=off
Easton Martinez
don't you think they'll do some shady thing like this so you have to buy the super expensive quadros instead?
Isaiah Bennett
ah ok. then the hdmi/dvi port on the motherboard is for the integrated then?... makes sense. thanks.
John Sullivan
Is there any reason to buy a 1080 when the 1070 ti exists?
iGPU can only be used for async compute (rarely supported) when monitor is plugged into dGPU. Yes
Absolutely.
Huh? They have the same ROPs, and same 1607MHz base clock. 1070Ti overclocked should close in more on an overclocked 1080. Should be able to get another 7-9% FPS on average on a 1070Ti over stock with an OC. AIB 1080s are already overclocked and you gain much, much less, while 1070Ti AIB cards are stock clocks.
That was not listed on purpose. Is the Armor Mk2 no longer on sale on newegg?
Jacob Taylor
If I unironically want the 8700k for 'future proof' gaming for a few years, how much does the motherboard/ram speed matter? Compatibility aside. Not that I plan on getting cheapest Z370, but if I don't have to spend $200 on the MB, and another 200+ on 3000+mhz ram, I'd rather not.
Jaxson Diaz
a 1080 has 25% more memory bandwidth which a 1070 ti couldn't match ever. 1080 has more cuda cores.
Nathan Perry
>1070Ti overclocked should close in more on an overclocked 108 trip filtered
Kevin Powell
>That was not listed on purpose. Is the Armor Mk2 no longer on sale on newegg? I was just curious about that specific card Thanks for the help!
Xavier Walker
1070Ti has lower memory latency that the 1080 can also not match ever. >1080 has more cuda cores. Yes like 5%. Which is a large part of why overclocked the 1070Ti generally well within 5% or so of the 1080. It even exceeds the 1080 in some games that are horny for lower VRAM latency.
>108 retard
Nathaniel Myers
what the fuck are you talking about? the extra bandwidth of the 1080 trumps it at higher resolutions and any game which is bandwidth heavy with lots of alpha effects which is basically every game now.
Caleb Cook
The 1070 ti has lower VRAM latency? What does that impact?
Alexander Jones
maybe 1 game out of 1000
Ryan Cox
Even at 1440p, 1070Ti can out do the 1080. Stop embarrassing yourself with objectively wrong blanket statements. Do you not even know what memory latency is? GDDR5X is not GDDR5.
How quickly the cache/cores can access memory. Just depends on how the game is programmed. In this benchmark, the 1080 and 1070Ti have the same clocks. You can see it's well within 5% in a few cases, faster in I think one, but more like 10% behind in some others. The expected performance if they had the same memory would be more like 4-5% behind. But it varies because the 1080 trades memory latency for bandwidth.
Does amd hate europe or something? why are theiir gpu's so damn expensive here?
Logan Rodriguez
>why are theiir gpu's so damn expensive here? Unless you're getting it straight from AMD pretty much all the price hikes are due to the actual sellers.
Grayson Garcia
From what I've seen, much of Europe has the cheapest AMD GPUs once you subtract your VAT from them. Maybe you're retarded and not accounting for VAT?
Ryder Hernandez
are you retarded? well ofcourse you are because you're that same vega shill who posts here every day since january. funny how you started off shilling computerbase and when they said vega is slower than your beloved 56 (even though you own a 64) you stopped posting them all together.
amd has always been more expensive in europe than nvidia. people were saying this all the way back 4 years ago when gpu prices were nice and low and affordable in europe. a 970 was cheaper than a 390 and more recently the 1060 was cheaper than the 480 back around 2015/16 till the miners hit. only in america is where amd is cheaper most of the time on deal. i don't see why anyone would buy amd anyway. nvidia owns the sponsorship for 99% of games coming this year and have already announced early sponsorship for future games such as cyberpunk
Wyatt Fisher
Okay i need a gpu upgrade from my r9 270, mostly for 1440p and preferably with DP, hdmi and DVI outputs, what should i aim for ?
Andrew Gonzalez
I've only been here a few weeks. I wasn't here in January.
>countering a recent source from this month on newer drivers for all the cards by supplying some shit from launch on immature drivers Why do you accuse people of being retarded when you're the retard? I guess it's because you're retarded.
>American Micro Devices
Grayson Sanchez
Should I get Windows 10 or 7? Only asking for Direct X and windows store exclusive shit.
Chase Thomas
>tfw even the slightest OC on my videocard causes artifacts/crashing near instantly
Kayden Evans
oh wow he can't read either. i didn't realise 29 may 2018 is when the vega 64 launched. off yourself retard.
