Should I buy an old Pentium to do all of my online shit with?

I don't think you understand the extent of tech that is used nowadays to watch, blackmail, and frame people

Can anyone explain to me what was wrong with P4? My first PC had P4 in it back in 2004, seen a few threads bashing the thing.

the type of surveillance you're claiming to try to protect yourself from, assuming the theories of hardware backdoors are explicitly used for that purpose. if you are important enough to be spied upon, god help you, because changing the hardware for secure hardware won't help you at all.

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everyone is spied on nowadays by Google and Microsoft - unlike you I'm not ok with being spied on

Why would you buy a old Pentium if you can buy a more modern POWER machine?

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>unlike you I'm not ok with being spied on
do you own your own satellite to get online with? if you're going to be online, you can't avoid being spied on. your ISP literally keeps records of your traffic, and gives them to the authorities. if you're going to be online, you will be spied on regardless of what hardware you're in.

It ran hot and slow, it was garbage compared to AMD's offerings at the time.

Get an AMD FX. They're the best you can get currently without any out of band shit in them.

I think OP is referring to intel ME and AMD PSP, both of which are absent in PIII based systems.

>no backdoors
>he doesn't know

core 2 duo E7400 owner here. I can tell you I can barely open a web page as it is. You wanna do that with a pentium 3? I feel sorry for you, man.

I have an AMD duron 1.2Ghz, running Debian netinst with 512mb of ram and it takes an age for firefox to open and to load web pages.

EARLY PENTIUM IIIs are backdoored. They had a unique processor ID number assigned to them.
The ONLY safe pentium III model is Tulatin.
Stay away from coppermine and the other one.

Core2Duo is pretty safe for online shit. It's pre intel ME.
Amd FX laptops are hot garbage

I can sell you my old Core 2 Quad
It still worked last time i checked

For x86 you'll have to go back to the 486 series to avoid speculative execution. Just get a different type of cpu.

You might consider getting a PS3 and installing linux. It'll be cheap, with a relatively okay power CPU and gigabit ethernet.

Because that's thousands of dollars instead of just 15 minutes of sifting through Craigslist and the gas money needed to go pick up someone's 17 year old setup. This is Jow Forums after all.

intel have had a ring -2 vulnerability dating back to the pentium pro in 1995, old hardware isn't safer

speculative execution doesn't matter if the processor can't phone home.
It's all a matter of impossible hypothetical situations

you all are fucking idiots if you are really concerned about your cpu being backdoored
yeah, intel amt exists, but it's actually used in enterprise for OOB management. while it's shitty and suspicious as fuck for them to not allow you to disable it, it's just not really a concern compared to software or firmware backdoors.

>registering with an ISP
>paying for internet
not OP but i thought this was Jow Forums, what are you faggots doing here ?

Well, MOST old hardware have backdoors that can be exploited today and all you can do is patch it yourself through linux. Unless you don't plan to access the internet with it, you should just stick with recent hardware and updated software.

fuck i want to buy POWER and SPARC, but i can't get any decent setup.
I really like old architecture, and it still have nice linux/bsd support

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no open source project in existence has developers competent enough to root out backdoors

Yeah, and so has everyone else, but yet almost only Intel is affected by most of these bugs. The flaws are in the implementation.

>SPARC
Literally the worst RISC, no reason to get apart from the sexy cases.

>pentium 3
>has speculative execution
>secure
Nope, user. You'd need something older. You're better off not using x86, as "secure" CPUs would be so old you'd have trouble finding a modern kernel that would run on one.

it's still vulnerable to spectre
and way too slow for today's tasks

and if you take any stepping other than tualatin (coppermine or katmai) you can be tracked with the processor ID

trading one headache for another user

>256MB of RAM

Yeah. No.

if he wants secure x86 he's going to have 16 mb of ram

what are some alternatives to intel for security?

>inb4 any modern AMD
AMD and ARM are both pozzed if you've kept up to date

>its stupid to think the NSA has 0-day exploits & backdoors, they can't just "hack anything" you brainlet
>stuxnet
>oh, nevermind, they could own us all. at least i'm not important
>2013, mass surveillance confirmed
> oh, guess they want to spy on everyone
You shouldn't call others idiots because you refuse to accept the reality of our world.

sparc, powerpc, cell, itanium

Consider old *NIX workstations or macs with powerPC.

why do you keep trying to secure the processor anyway
what do you think them having access to a processor backdoor does?

secure your network instead, then they need physical access for you to worry about the processor

can you please elaborate on WHY these are safer?

can you offer some tips for network security? I have a router with ddrwrt, currently looking at firewall hardware, can you recommend me something? anything else I'm missing?

>Core2Duo is pretty safe for online shit. It's pre intel ME.
I'm pretty sure intel added the earliest versions of the ME on either the 945 or 965 chipsets, which were the first that supported core 2. So no, core 2 is not pre-ME.

Regardless, the ME should not be your primary worry anyway. I'm pretty sure to even access the ME you need to use the onboard lan, so you can just use a pci card. Even so, you're posting on a site that needs google captcha to post. If you care that much, stop using it and take care of everything. It's illy to worry about the ME when you put it in that perspective.

t. CIA nigger

How is a VPN more private? Isn’t that justing adding another company that can see you’re internet traffic?

get on my level

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any cpu will have some design flaws, but at least these don't have backdoors

>can you please elaborate on WHY these are safer?
PowerPC is RISC, so there's no need to cheat as much as with chips that pretend to be CISC (x86).

well you're looking at consumer solutions so those are definitely backdoored
you'll need to actually do some security research on your own if you're at this low level of knowledge, nothing i can advise

You'd have to run NetBSD or OpenBSD on it with a simple window manager to make it usable.

>>no OS support to communicate with mobile devices
false

can you offer me some non-consumer solutions?
you're right, I am at low level, but if you give me the juicy I can try to fill in the gaps

I don't have a ton of time to devote to this but I want to be as secure as I can for now

P3 doesn't have the AES instruction set, will be slow & receive to send encrypted data

Heck, that CPU launched 20 years ago.

I remember begging my mother to get me one when I was 14

>using backdoored hardware accelerated encryption

Wow does this mean my Pentium I MMX is bulletproof?

>>no backdoors
it's gonna have to be VERY old

I just surf the net on my dreamcast, no backdoors whatsoever

that's actually pretty fucking smart

Do it with a Raspberry pi, as far as I know they're not affected by any of the recent bugs because they don't have speculative execution. Should be cheaper and easier to setup than an old PC, and faster too.

Intel Atom does not have neither management engine nor speculative execution

all these theories. yet, they can't go look through their allegedly existing, logs to prevent shit from happening or to find passwords for devices and accounts in order to prosecute people for shit they've allegedly done.

Your ISP is a far bigger problem than any hardware and software backdoors will be

You need Commodore computers.

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>>privacy
>PIII

it's literally the only x86 processor family in existence that returns actual serial number by CPUID

>commodore waifus but no atari waifus
fuck

Get Elbrus CPU, they developed original pentium

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>E7400

Oh please, that cpu is fine for web browsing, just pair it with a modernish low end GPU and use a GPU accelerated browser.

I can do 4K video on this thing by offloading to the GPU.

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bamp

This or even better, older powerpc architecture is God tier for privacy.

>Buy a Ryzen black edition processor
>get an uncommon distro

pentium 3 xeon have a serial number too?

desu this. I might just buy a g4 powerbook as a bsd machine. Or might just come up with some sort of qubes like solution with a bunch of kvms.

powerpc g4 is vulnerable to spectre
you need g3 or earlier

get the clamshell

Correct me if i am wrong here, but doesn't raspberry pi need a precompiled binary blob just to boot os?

I dont know current state of open firmware for rpi... but i am guessing that it would not perform well.

ARM chips have tons of documented vulnerabilities. and I can't remove the built in Wi-Fi
I don't trust it

This, the shills give the whole game away. They’re not at fault though, they got their jobs via affirmative action.

Posting this from a Pentium M circa 2002, everything works fine if you use a real OS like Linux.

and it cost more! At least AMD drops their prices when they make slow, hot CPUs.

AMD FX Laptops are hot garbage, but the A10 series was top notch for the price.

>They had a unique processor ID number assigned to them.
You guys are seriously retarted. I swear, web kiddies fighting the powah... (protip: cpu serial number can be turned off in bios).

You still aren't important. If you want to shoot people or abuse children, to hell with ya.

Power is affected by Spectre AND Meltdown. Kek.

top tier cpu. enjoy