If you want help >State the budget for your build >List your uses- e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
Overclocking >DON'T BUY AN 8000K CPU OR Z300 BOARD IF YOU AREN'T OVERCLOCKING >Delid 8000K >Use Precision Boost Overdrive & BCLK increase for Ryzen 2000X >Use a real stress test & trustworthy temp software- e.g. IntelBurnTest & Core Temp
CPUs >2200G- Bare minimum gaming (dGPU optional) >2400G- Consider if close to 2200G price >2600/X- Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs >2700/X- Best mixed usage >8700K- Best for gaming, but most expensive platform & delid necessary >Threadripper/used Xeon- VM work/streaming/video editing
Motherboards >Don't buy A320 (All Ryzen are unlocked) >Only Z300 Intel boards can utilize memory over 2666MHz
RAM >8GB- Enough for most gaming use >16GB- Standard for heavy use >32GB- Too much for most users >2933MHz is ideal; 3200 CL14 is B-die
Storage >StoreMI can make HDDs better >Consider getting a larger SSD instead of SSD+HDD >2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB >M.2 might be SATA or PCIe >PCIe/NVMe for intensive use only
Video cards >SLI & CrossFire are unadvisable 1080p >1050 Ti, 1060 3/6GB, or 570/580 >1070 or Vega 56 for 100+ fps 1440p >1070/Ti, 1080, or Vega 56/64 >1080 Ti for 100+ fps 2160p >1080 Ti
Power supplies >Fully modular is very convenient >80+ Platinum is overpriced
Monitors >Explain purpose- e.g. photo editing, gaming >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >G-SYNC only with high budget/GTX card >Consider FreeSync with RX cards/APUs >Low refresh rates benefit less from better CPUs
Currently not sure if i should build or buy a premade gaming pc. My budget is ~1300€ But i am trying to get the best price possible. Currently, a little overwhelmed with information.
>Not certain why I need better mobo or ram. Just chose the cheapest. Does it really matter for performance? Cheap mobos have horrible VRMs and often can't supply the higher end CPUs with enough juice. Expect a low overclock with high mobo temps.
Better ram is because you're spending a lot on a CPU for just games (I assume 1080p) just to get limited benefit from the actual CPU.
Jeremiah Green
Holy fuck they removed xmp? Why what the fuck are they doing
Jaxon Robinson
>what the fuck are they doing Forcing you to buy the more expensive mobo.
Charles Evans
how do i not spend money on Windows OS
Gabriel Long
>forcing you to buy the more expensive mobo You can get a z370 for less than $100 lol
Cameron Jenkins
Which is still typically more expensive than the non z370 boards. What's your point? I didn't say Z370 was expensive. Just more so than the non-z options.
Angel Hill
It's still more expensive than any of the other 1151 chipsets and a lot of B350 motherboards
Cooper Roberts
>tfw your mobo doesn't have built in wifi when thought it did
Should I buy an 8400, 8600k or 8700 to pair with a GTX1080 and 1440p 144hz screen?
Ryder Brooks
Try a better motherboard. You are missing a heatsink.
>8400 No. >8600K or 8700K yes.
Robert Mitchell
I want to play ps3 emulator games on linux, which is the cheapest card capable for that purpose?
Daniel Gray
Can I build a linux PC that can run oldschool runescape and high quality video with only 90 watts? It won't have a GPU, it'll be relying on the chipset
What a meme monitor.. imo 27" demands 1440p. If gaming is the only thing you do on your PC Intel is an option, otherwise go for AMD. Building PCs is very easy, watch some videos and decide if you want to or not. If not you have two options: 1. buy a prebuilt from for example XMX or One or 2. pay 99€ for a build service with custom parts at Mindfactory.
Juan Gomez
Can you reccomend a mobo or what specs I should be looking for? heat sink I'm getting from a friend.
I got someone else's PC years and years ago and upgraded a few components of it. Back then I didn't know much about building and I stupidly put a 3570k into a motherboard that doesn't support overclocking. I have a GTX 770 but I've noticed in a bunch of games like the Witcher 3 I'm getting bottlenecked by my CPU.
My performance in games has been getting poorer over the years and I have money saved to build a computer. The problem now is what to do. At first I thought about going all out into a 1440p 144hz build, but when I borrowed a friend's 1440p monitor (viewsonic xg2703-gs to be exact) I noticed it was a bit too big for my desk, I couldn't push it back far enough and it made me uncomfortable. I could get a new desk but I'm living in a different apartment next year and it's gonna be a pain in the ass (and a bit cramped and awkward) to bring said desk with me.
So now I have a choice that I can't make because of how autistically indecisive I am. I could upgrade to a 1080 144hz build, but there's a part of me that feels like I'm being wasteful going for a 1080p build when I have the money and opportunity for 1440p. I could just wait for a while until a better time to upgrade but I know I won't be able to run a bunch of games coming out soon and the ones I play now are running bad enough as it is. Or I could try fishing around for a compatible motherboard that lets me overclock, but I keep reading everywhere that second hand motherboards are a big no no for some reason. Any advice?
Henry Perry
ASUS Z370-A or F.
Jose Howard
1440p and 144hz? Yeah good luck with that.
Julian Flores
650W PSU is a bit overkill, but you're mostly gucci, threadlet
Christian Bell
I'm looking at all online stores and the cheapest z370 mobo is at 99.99 euros.
Ryan Clark
What're you talking about?
Jayden Carter
I really like his/her fluffy twintails, don't stop posting
Cameron Hall
Remove the paste, AS5 is obsolete this days anyway. 240GB SSD+ or dont get one. DONT BUY SINGLE FAN GPUS. 2X4GB RAM instead 1x8. Seasonic 520W or 550W PSU, you dont need 620W.
Connor Long
the only one that is actually higher is the benchmark
Kevin Sanders
What's wrong with single fan gpus? Is it that hot or loud? Also I went with 1x8 so I can add another 1x8 stick in the future.
Landon Cooper
You won't reach 144fps on 1440p in a lot of games
Jose Phillips
They last less, lack VRM cooling(Which is important in any card that isn't a low end card) and literally 0 overclocking potential.
If you want your card to last more than 2-3 years get a normal card, its only $10-20 more.
Aiden Murphy
My friend recommended the Z370-A too. Guess that's good enough for me.
Do I go from i5 8600k to i7 8700k for $80? Or is it not even worth it if I am just using it for gaming.
Angel Gomez
Whether it's 8400 or 8600k they're already getting limited in most intensive gaming scenarios. They're bad buys, the same way i5 6400 to 7600k were bad buys, it's just that people haven't caught onto it yet, but in a year or so from now you'll start hearing about it.
Go for the 8700k else you'll deeply regret it, trust me. Goes for anyone in these threads wondering if they should go with an i5 Coffee Lake or not. Just don't, and if you don't have the money for the 8700k then go Ryzen 5.
8600k IS TRASH.
Dominic Reyes
What's better value R5 1600 or 2600?
Parker Brooks
>Whether it's 8400 or 8600k they're already getting limited in most intensive gaming scenarios. >8600k is trash
There's no single GPU that can push 1440/144hz without reducing a fair bit of settings. Multi-GPU configurations have horrible scaling as well. It's still possible, but it's a huge GPU demand increase vs 1080p/60hz.
Asher Sanders
k is trash Trash compared to everything else in the same price bracket. It's more expensive than Ryzen 2600/x. It's worse than the 2700 overall and it's it still requires a decent Z370 board if you're going for 5ghz. Which you are if you're grabbing a 8600k.
At what point does getting a 8600k make sense?
Landon Hernandez
5ghz 8600k can barely load 1070 in ac:o's alexandria with all cores at 100%.
Eli Walker
Inform yourself before calling something bait, stupid ignorant.
Ian Clark
>Game known for using every single CPU at 100% for DRM somehow is a good example Get the cracked version, CPU usage doesn't go over 60%.
Sebastian Lopez
>Get the cracked version, CPU usage doesn't go over 60%. Last I checked the cracked version just tricked Denuvo into thinking it was validated. It didn't outright remove it.
Jordan Young
youtube.com/watch?v=Xmug__yGcus 8400 literally hugs 100% from beginning to end, and it's only a 1070. 8600k OC to 4.7 is always above 85% usage, also hitting 100% from time to time... on a 2016 game.
Yes, they're trash.
Logan Phillips
Who the fuck cares if it's 100% cpu usage as long as you get better perfomance than ryzen lmao
Bentley Ward
Can anyone reccomend a good PCIe network adapter? I need my wifi
Parker Ramirez
>Who the fuck cares if it's 100% cpu usage It matters because the CPU will bottleneck the GPU like in pic related resulting in less performance
>Newegg has 2600x for $200 with coupon code >2600x+Gaming 7 has a bundle discount for $20 >Can't use CPU coupon with bundle discount >Call Newegg support and have them credit me the $20 bundle discount.
I think that means I got the 2600x for $160. Not bad considering the ram was $160 for 16gb CL15 3000mhz.
>who cares if you have no headroom Because unless you upgrade your CPU every year next gen games will be bottlenecked by the CPU.
Cameron Rivera
Fuck my math was off, what the hell. $180 not $160.
Isaiah Peterson
biased benchmark, where is the B-die ram, the custom cooler, the PBC overclock?!
Jeremiah Johnson
Still, good deal user
Xavier Stewart
>thread full of people asking legitimate questions they need help with >children proceed to argue over game benchmarks
this is why people go to reddit
Noah Green
Does your €1300 budget include the price of the monitor, or is that €1300 budget just for the PC build?
Asher Rodriguez
Its easy, just ignore the people who tell you go AMD just because you got a Intel CPU or the ones that tell you go Vega.
Levi Smith
>going intel in 2018
Sebastian James
None of the above since you shouldn't be using a 1080 for 1440p 144Hz 2600 has better IPC, clocks, and memory controller so it's the obvious choice unless the 1600 is $40 less
Not generally, if you get the 1600 in a bundle or a sale and that extra money is enough to get a better GPU maybe but the 2600 improved a lot
Bentley Jones
thanks it was $20 less than the 2600 so I'll just go for the 1600.
Hunter Murphy
I mean go for the 2600 sorry typed that wrong.
Chase Morgan
Here's a great 1080p/60 frames per second build that comes in less than or around your budget. Ryzen motherboards offer an upgrade path since the CPU socket will be relevant for a couple more years as AMD releases new and better CPUs.
Do you think the 2700x is worth the money over the 2600x just for gaming use?
Thomas Reyes
>I rather have 32 threads at 5% utilitzation but worse performance, than 6 cores at 100% providing more performance. Wow, I imagine it's real easy to sell you CPUS based on utilization "look goy, so much potential, don't look at actual performance, think of the potential"
Matthew Powell
Because you can't understand how to analyze benchmarks to understand the exact worth of current CPUs doesn't make it a child game user. I'm not even an Intel nor an AMD fan, I simply want good products, so cut down handicapped CPUs with disabled functionalities like HT such as the i5 lineup shouldn't be recommended, that is all.
Joseph Taylor
who literally gives a shit people in this thread need help with shit and you're worried about trivial shit literally everyone here with an unreplied post is going to reddit if they aren't going to the stupid questions thread, this might as well be the fucking benchmark thread
Does anyone have a good suggestion for a cheap burner card I can buy for my build to use until the new NVIDIA cards are released? I'll be running it with a 2600X, so I can't just use integrated graphics. Something that will push at least basic use at 1440p, maybe vidya on low.
Who are you quoting? I would never recommend threadripper for gaming. Why are you making an extreme example to try to counter my point? Did you buy an i5 and I'm hurting your feelings or something? Jesus you people have to come from /v/ there's no other way. >who gives a shit lol just get whatever man You're below 100IQ and you know it. Keep it up with that "I don't give a shit" attitude to hide how much of an inferior human being you are.
Ryan Mitchell
Ah yes, the classical CPU vs CPU with higher speed RAM, manual timings, B-die, Custom cooler, higher quality motherboard and an overclock, getting slighty more performance at a much higher price. Classic.
Brody Foster
>Strawmans and ignores all benchmarks comparing 2600/x and 8400
I'm not even an AMD shill, but do you really not see the problem with buying a brand new CPU that's already maxed out? Considering anyone that buys an 8400 is already on a budget they're going to have a maxed out CPU on a dead platform within a year.
At least if you get an 8700K you know you're going to keep that for a few years.
Juan Sanders
Actually, this build only comes in at less than 900€. That other 400€ of your budget will accommodate your monitor choice and a keyboard and mouse choice.
Lucas Ortiz
>reeee stop having more features that we have retards everywhere
Ryan Morgan
I never said get whatever, I'm saying your arguing is pointless when there's actual questions that need to be answered. Nobody gives a SHIT about your benchmark arguments. THIS IS WHY PEOPLE USE REDDIT. I can ask a question here and get zero fucking replied while you goons argue about benchmarks, or I could ask a question on reddit, get 5+ detailed replies and an email every time I get one.
Ryan Taylor
Go back retard.
Liam Bennett
Do people only recommend ryzen because of politics or they actually believe it's better than intel?
Jackson Campbell
>Why are you making an extreme example to try to counter my point? Because if you don't make it obvious how ridiculous the logic is when applied on a larger scale, you will go on to justify it being used on a smaller scale.
>but do you really not see the problem with buying a brand new CPU that's already maxed out? >a 4 core CPU running at 20Ghz is at 100% utlization and delivering amazing performance for stuff that uses 4 cores >60 core cpu that runs at 1Ghz is utlized only 40% on 4 cores and 1% on all others, runs like shit WOW , why would you want to get a CPU that's maxed out. LOOK at that utilization stat! Unless I have at least half cores sleeping doing nothing my CPU is worthless.
By your logic, delid on intel CPUS is a feature to help extreem overclockers have an easier time replacing the paste with liquid metal.
Jayden Ramirez
>trying to make Jow Forums usable so nobody ever has to use reddit again >lol just go back
Matthew Jenkins
Combination of both. Ryzen certainly is better for certain tasks, but not so much for gaming at an equal price point. Of course shills and retards coping can't handle that so they must build this narrative that AMD is best at everything.
Tyler Collins
I don't want to believe you're older than 18.
Jose Collins
I'm considering the MSI B350 PC Mate mobo for a R5 2600 cpu, but according to pcpartpicker "Some AMD B350 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Pinnacle Ridge CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions." Is this something I should be concerned about or is it just a minor inconvenience?
Thomas Myers
>benchmarks doesn't matter it's a privilage for you to delid and apply thermal paste to our overheating and overpriced cpu think about this like taking girl's vaginal virginity don't mind the fact that her anal virginity was took by a horde of niggers no Ryzen is simply better than intel
Sebastian Lopez
>it's a privilage for you to delid and apply thermal paste to our overheating and overpriced cpu See, this is what your AMD fags sound like to everybody else.
Yes however sometimes the motherboards are flashed with the latest BIOS before being sent. Or you could use AMD's BIOS update kit where they give you a cpu to update the BIOS and send back.
Nathan Long
>google benchmarks for x and y >could use my intelligence to make a decision for myself >argue about it on Jow Forums instead
>and pic related is me not my problem that inlel jews out on everything and you mongrels are swallowing it like fresh cum
Christian Green
Your hypotheticals are trash user >CPU with higher speed RAM The RAM used was 3200 but it downclocked because of this >B-die $30 more than non B-die >Custom cooler An AIO was used but the same OC is doable with a True Spirit 140 or 4.1GHz with the Spire from the 2600X >an overclock You're talking an unlocked CPU vs a locked CPU
>by u i mean me yes just stop posting outdated benchmarks about cup's that are not produced anymore
Christopher Fisher
Seriously I'd go with 400 series (ryzen 2000 series CPUs) just to avoid the headache. Once you have a 400 series board (X470 for example. Not sure there are B450 boards yet) you can update the bios in a year or two when you want to upgrade to Ryzen 3000 or 4000 series CPUs
Wyatt Taylor
>missing the point no one is failing for your 2666 vs 3200 ram scam
Xavier Mitchell
Still adds up to about $100 more than i5 8400 setup Also who actually overclocks when playing games? The extra power consumption is not even worth it
Julian Hill
>not my problem that inlel jews out on everything and you mongrels are swallowing it like fresh cum It's like you didn't get the message at all. Fanboys form either side are fucking annoying because they ignore all the negatives and preach nonstop that their company is perfect.
>being as bad as them
>a 2666 RAM and a 3400 mhz are the same in price performance
>only 30$ here and another cooler there, guy look how small the invididual prices are, they don't add up to anything
>Custom cooler >An AIO was used are you... >claim a custom cooler was used >agrees that a custom cooler was used >but you can do it anyway with another custom cooler Really?
>You're talking an unlocked CPU vs a locked CPU This is actually a legit perk in terms of AMD, sadly a lot of shit like RAM, cooler are thrown in, thus not making it a good comparison between the two CPUS.
