If you want help >State the budget for your build >List your uses- e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
Overclocking >DON'T BUY AN 8000K CPU OR Z300 BOARD IF YOU AREN'T OVERCLOCKING >Delid 8000K >Use Precision Boost Overdrive & BCLK increase for Ryzen 2000X >Use a real stress test & trustworthy temp software- e.g. IntelBurnTest & Core Temp (DO NOT USE SPECCY)
CPUs >2200G- Bare minimum gaming (dGPU optional) >2400G- Consider if close to 2200G price >2600/X- Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs >2700/X- Best mixed usage >8700K- Best for gaming, but most expensive platform & delid necessary >Threadripper/used Xeon- VM work/streaming/video editing
Motherboards >Don't buy A320 (All Ryzen are unlocked) >Only Z300 Intel boards can utilize memory over 2666MHz
RAM >8GB- Enough for most gaming use >16GB- Standard for heavy use >32GB- Too much for most users >2933MHz is ideal; 3200 CL14 is B-die
Storage >StoreMI can make HDDs better >Consider getting a larger SSD instead of SSD+HDD >2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB >M.2 might be SATA or PCIe >PCIe/NVMe for intensive use only
Video cards >SLI & CrossFire are unadvisable 1080p >1050 Ti, 1060 3/6GB, or 570/580 >1070 or Vega 56 for 100+ fps 1440p >1070/Ti, 1080, or Vega 56/64 >1080 Ti for 100+ fps 2160p >1080 Ti
Power supplies >Fully modular is very convenient >80+ Platinum is overpriced
Monitors >Explain purpose- e.g. photo editing, gaming >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >G-SYNC only with high budget/GTX card >Consider FreeSync with RX cards/APUs >Low refresh rates benefit less from better CPUs
>>Use Precision Boost Overdrive & BCLK increase for Ryzen 2000X What sort of increase should I expect on a 2600x?
Connor Robinson
Best/Worst AIOs?
Kayden Myers
anything smaller than a 280mm is shit and not worth the risks involved vs. a good air cooler. Unless you're a homosexual and likes muh aesthetics then convenience and performance are not your priority, then just be yourself ;)
Jason Smith
>Personally, I think the 8700K is overpowered for most gamers >no user you are getting too much performance, what will you do with it!? >Enjoy it now and have it last me in the future >n-noooooo!
>And there's other reasons to consider AMD besides price to performance, like StoreMI. Really, anybody gives a fuck about it? Rather than just getting a bigger SSD and having consistent faster performance, you rather have to reboot your comp like 3 times before your computer decides to move what ever shit you are using to be at acceptable levels?
I'm conflicted do I get the 970 Evo 500GB M.2 or the 860 Evo 1TB M.2.
Thomas Murphy
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the stock thermal paste under the IHS. It's engineered for longevity. Liquid metal is far more conductive than paste, but it also doesn't last as long. The OP managed to gain a .15 volts increase from delidding. That's hardly even worth it to most users. Sure, 15 to 25 degree Celsius seems like a lot, but it's really not that big of a deal, as most 8700K and 7700K can hit ~5GHz without delidding, and run well within the TJunction/ throttle range. How is this true? For example, some 8700K chips will hit 5GHz at around 1.3 volts. Other 8700Ks can't even go above 4.7GHz because they're already around 1.4- 1.45 volts, and that's purely based on the 'genetics' of the silicone. Delidding will not help in that scenario. And before you say "Well AMD solders their IHS!!!!" you need to understand the reasoning behind Intel's and AMDs decision. Soldering is far cheaper. And it may not necessarily be better. As an example, the Ryzen 5 2000 series chips can hardly hit 4.2GHz without hitting 1.4 volts. 1.4 volts territory for Intel K chips is ~5GHz. Do you honestly think that if the Ryzen chips were capable of 5GHz, knowing the ludicrous voltage it would take to hit that clock speed, that the soldered IHS would provide any advantage? The answer is no. It's been a problem since 2012 with Ivy bridge. It's not a problem. It's never been a problem. That's what you and the bandwagon clown car need to understand. If you're not an engineer, and you have no knowledge of processor development, or the process involved in shipping out millions of processors consistently, then it is advised that you stop with this absurd inclination of conspiracy towards Intel. You're spreading misinformation, and I highly doubt you even understand the basics of processor microarchitecture, or thermals and conductivity.
Jason Gomez
>Enjoy it now and have it last me in the future So will a 2700x and it won't be on a dead platform. If it's for gaming there's no performance (3-5 fps at most) difference unless you're playing at 1080p. But now you've also gotta delid and get a fairly expensive cooler.
Joshua Green
>As an example, the Ryzen 5 2000 series chips can hardly hit 4.2GHz without hitting 1.4 volts. >1.4 volts territory for Intel K chips is ~5GHz. You realize this is not due to soldering, but different architectures? The chips don't function in the same way. That's the problem with strictly looking at ghz and not taking anything else into consideration.
Otherwise the 8600k at 5GHZ would be demolishing the 2600x in games.
Your statement makes just as much sense as saying "soldering allows AMD to have more cores/threads than Intel on the consumer line". They aren't related to each other.
Jaxon Peterson
>The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat.
It's depends on your motherboard, but it's basically a frequency increase on top of what your processor does at stock Best would be 360mm since it has the most surface area 280mm would arguably be quieter though Anything else is shit I don't know what you're on, but good luck running over 1.3V through toothpaste and not thermal throttling
>If it's for gaming there's no performance (3-5 fps at most) difference unless you're playing at 1080p. Yeah at 8K the performance difference is like 1-2fps, might as well buy a pentium.
John James
Who cares if they are jews as long as you get better perfomance. Back to if you care about their jew marketing techniques
I'm talking about 1440p/4k. Please show me a benchmark where the 8700k doesn't hit a GPU bottleneck in games at 1440p+ resolutions.
Easton Barnes
which ram is the best for ddr4 2400? Which brand is the most reliable? Is it better to get the 2x4 kit instead of one 8?
Bentley Miller
>Which brand is the most reliable? Brands don't matter really. Only 3 actual manufacturers make ram. Corsair and the others basically just slap their name on it and put a heatsink on it. >Is it better to get the 2x4 kit instead of one 8? In the absolute sense, yes. Will you notice a difference in gameplay, no. If using for actual work then get 3000mhz+
thanks. I'm limited by the mobo (unless I'm a retard and don't understand it) for 2400 frequency.
Jackson Hernandez
>unless I'm a retard and don't understand it Without knowing which mobo you're looking at it's impossible to say. If it's a Z370/x470 you should have options for much higher.
Henry Turner
nah, a poor man's special - a b250 for a g4560. One I'm looking it at is the msi mortar arctic
Austin Rogers
>a b250 for a g4560 Oh, dude just get the cheapest kit you can find.
Matthew Price
the psu and ram probably, is not even c14
Grayson Walker
>I'm talking about 1440p/4k. Please show me a benchmark where the 8700k doesn't hit a GPU bottleneck in games at 1440p+ resolutions. >next gen cards come out and you get cucked with your CPU >because if you keep upping the resolution eventually you git a GPU bottle neck As I said, get a pentium and play at 8k with what ever card.
Alexander Clark
The 2600X is better for gaming (specially with a B-Die kit), I'd get a NH-D15, a Rog Strix Vega 56 and a P400 pcpartpicker.com/list/ThvQyX You can get the cheaper G.Skill kit but B-Die is optimal
Fuck this shit. A bunch of 16gb ram just went up in price. If it gets worse than this I think I will just fucking die
Isaac Myers
>ddr3 ram >that pic Quite accurate
Dylan Evans
>strawman Like I said, please show me a benchmark where you aren't getting bottlenecked by the GPU at those resolutions. If it's strictly for gaming the 8700k doesn't make a ton of sense unless you wanna push those high framerates at lower resolutions.
Whenever Nvidia/AMD decide to release their new GPUs then the discussion might be different. But we don't even know the specs of the next gen cards.
There were a ton of ram sales the past 2 weeks of Newegg. Some ram kits were $150 if you used intel/didn't care about QvL. I got CL15, 3000mhz for $160 a few days ago.
You can get similar performance by swapping CPU cooler for a dual tower and video card for red dragon But if you care about overclocking at all I would do at least an X470 gaming plus Swapped out case because S340 can't fit the D15 pcpartpicker.com/list/sDnh9J Memory vendors only design PCBs and bin the chips they buy from Samsung/SK Hynix/Micron, so you have to really fuck up in order to be less reliable 2x4 offers double the performance as 1x8 in a dual-channel platform but I would recommend getting at least 2666 either way since that's what locked Intel chips support, and 2933-3200 for Ryzen Those are like the two things he can't go any cheaper on (and get similar performance at least) Strix card is way overpriced P400 might just barely be able to fit a D15 since the D15 towers are 160mm tall and that's exactly the clearance in the case
what are the equivalents for the upcoming nvidia gen gpus?
Julian Cox
I need suggestions for a silver monitor, trying to go for a sleek modern white look and I've already got the right computer and the right keyboard
Andrew Martinez
How the fuck would we know until benchmarks come out How about telling us what your budget is, what you plan to do with the monitor, and if you're gaming you should say what specs you have already
no, the 60$ 'DIYPC Gamemax' is not a good case. Post budget, build, and what you're looking for.
Cameron Morales
We literally don't even know the name of the new cards. There's no official info out. Hell, even the CEO said it wouldn't be coming out for a "long time". They're keeping it under wraps.
Josiah Wilson
shit sorry thought there were leaks that only reddit knew about
Lincoln Perry
I am just a poorfag trying to extend my PC's lifetime... My gtx 650 and my fx 6300 are already running overcocked.
Brody Parker
I would be more inclined to stay away from Gigabyte Vega, also the Red Dragon is based off the pseudo-nano PCB which is pretty good Your system is long gone lmao No amount of RAM will save it considering the 2200G beats it in both CPU and GPU power
>My gtx 650 and my fx 6300 are already running overcocked. It's time to upgrade. Even if you can increase the ram speed you won't be getting much from it (single digit differences if any). I mean in general ram speed>timings as far as pure performance goes, but your system already has other bottlenecks I imagine.
Isaiah Roberts
Listen here, buddy. I'm gonna give you two choices.
1. You stop posting that gay shit
2. I'll show you what prison rape feels like.
Cameron Myers
Both and you have a deal
Charles Sullivan
I told you new GPUs were coming soon
Ryder Miller
Im going in dry mate. You'll end up gaping like a prison bitch.
Asher Martin
In prison they use baby oil
Jason Ortiz
I'm in your position basically and thought about buying another 8gb to get 16gb. But settled for just a 1060 3gb and the plans to upgrade in the next few years or so. You can get away with upgrading your GPU and lasting a few more years rather than getting ram
James James
Your own juices will be good enough lube.
Nathan Williams
Divide frequency by CASS time for the real rating. 5000 mhz its worthless when it's CAS 50
Joshua Allen
8700K is necessary to push frames in poorly optimized shit like Siege, Fallout, CEMU, and PCSX2
Parker Howard
>8700K is necessary to push frames in poorly optimized shit like Siege, Fallout, CEMU, and PCSX2 At what resolution? I actually can't speak about emluators, but in games I can't see why it would be required at the higher resolutions. But again, I'm just asking for benchmarks or 'proof' showing that. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. It's just not what I've seen.
Nathan Wright
not for games, just light browsing and maybe some coding, preferably around $150 but I could go up to $200 if good enough
Caleb Rivera
DROP OUT OF LIFE WITH 8700K IN HAND FOLLOW THE SHEKELS TO THE HOUSEFIRE FILLED LAND
2600 stock cooler is not good for overclocking. It's good for stock temps and that's all.
Lincoln Flores
Siege runs better on AMD hardware
Kevin Williams
It's pretty decent actually, I'm running a 1200 at 3.8GHz (stable at 4GHz but lowered it for better temperatures). It handles the 2600 fine under 4GHz but it would be better if the user could spend a bit more for the 2600X
Julian Bell
Can someone link me a good one of those 5$ fans on amazon
Wyatt Gutierrez
arctic f12
Owen Hall
So i've read WD stopped producing hard drives under HGST brand. And from what i saw what remains in stock is expensive as fuck. Which WD drives are the "new HGST" drives? Blue, Red?
Brayden Gray
pcpartpicker.com/list/rDYYXP Soon I'll be reaching two hard drives and an SSD, I'm looking for a case that has enough space for them all
Ayden Perry
>part out my new computer >state has an online sales tax now >one of like 4 states that has one I'm ordering this mug along with my PC to be quite honest.
Let me rephrase that question. I want HDD which doesn't need to be fast, i want to be least likely to fail and also cheap. What is the usuall go to ?
Caleb Cruz
>i want to be least likely to fail and also cheap Western Digital blues. Seagate is fine nowadays as well. It's not as serious as you're making it unless you need high RPM HDDs. All the name brand name HDDs are fine.
Joshua Reyes
Aren't they making taxes off it?
Asher Cox
Can get EVGA gtx 1080 SC gaming for 550 europoor dollars, should I? Alternatively EVGA 1070Ti ultra silent gaming for the same price
Leo Perry
l've lost a link and name but i am looking for quiet cheap and good 120mm case fans (non led preferably) anyone please ?
Grayson Jenkins
daily reminder that "K" in "8700K" stands for "Kelvins"
Parker Price
Alright, my build is here pcpartpicker.com/list/YLpLyX I don't really see a need to change anything here. Also because I wanted this build as close to 1k$ as possible since that was my original budget so this is as far as I am going
Jeremiah Campbell
Yes, but that's fine, I'm already getting fucked I might as well meme while doing it.
Andrew Carter
A $90 Noctua dual-fan cooler for a 2600X seems like overkill. I think if you want to get more performance out of this CPU, it's probably better to invest in Samsung B-die RAM and tweak the timings according to the Stilt's guide than to buy extreme cooling to better support OC'ing the CPU. youtube.com/watch?v=qqAu39UaDbM
I can see why you recommend it but like I said, my budget is as high as it can go, so I think I'm good
James Moore
I’m in search of a keyboard and mouse combo for around $60. Can someone help me make up my mind? I’ve been doing copious amounts of research on which to get but can’t decide.
The Masterkeys Lite L combo doesn't look bad but you could get a better keyboard and mouse separately like a Force K83 and a Rival 100
Cooper Russell
What's the best way to programmatically control my overclock? For example, let's say I've set 5GHz all-cores. It's fine in most workloads, but sometimes gets too hot for my liking. (Ignore avx offset for now)
What I would like to do is set a target temperature e.g. 80c, and write logic such as >if temp of any core is > 80, reduce clock by 1*multiplier (100mhz) at a time until < 80 and >if temp < 70, increase clock until either temp > 75 or defined max (e.g. 5GHz) reached
Levi Perry
What's the best aftermarket cooler for getting the least amount of noise out of a R52600/X? Preferably also something small.
