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Almost everyone here will agree that we live in deeply troubled horological times. One of the most widespread manifestations of the trouble in the watch collecting community that we see here on our little corner in /wt/ (and other forums) is the "Seiko Male", so a discussion of the psychology of the Seiko Male can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of the horological community as a whole.

But what is a Seiko Male? During the first half of the 20th century what we call a "Seiko Male" could have been practically identified with homosexuality. Today the community is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be called a Seiko Male. When we speak of Seikos going forward we have in mind mainly Weaboos, leftists, “politically correct” types, feminists, gay and disability activists, "metrosexuals", racemixers, and the like. But not everyone who is associated with one of these movements is a Seiko. What we are trying to get at in discussing Seiko is not so much a movement or an ideology as a psychological type who happens to collect wristwatches, or rather a collection of related types who are involved in the watch community. Thus, what we mean by “Seiko Male” will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of Seiko psychology.

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Seikos tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate Rolex, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that Seikos give for hating the Patek, Vacheron, Rolex, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the Swiss because it is overpriced, simplistic, gaudy, inaccurate and so forth, but where these same faults appear in Japanese or in other pet gook brands, the Seiko finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Swiss horology. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the Seiko’s real motive for hating Swiss timepieces. He hates Rolex and Patek because they are strong and successful.

If the Swiss watch industry had no problems at all, Seiko would have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss. Seikos are desperately anxious to prove that Japanese wristwatches are as valuable and as capable as a Rolex. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that Seikos may NOT be as valuable and as horologically significant as a Rolex.

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Look at the “man” that constitutes the average Seiko Male. Words like “self-confidence”, “self-reliance”, “initiative”, “enterprise”, “optimism”, etc., play little role in the Seiko male vocabulary. Seiko is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist. He’s the type of person who wants society to solve everyone’s problems for them, satisfy everyone’s needs for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. Seiko is antagonistic to the concepts of “prestige” and “heritage” characteristic of traditional Swiss horology because, deep inside, he feels like a loser.

Seiko will often deflect with pointing out the deficiencies of the stereotypical TAG Heuer-buying Chav or nigger rap star with his comically oversized Royal Oak Offshore. There is a certain degree of truth to the accusation that people who engage in “status seeking” may be doing so as a method to shore up certain feelings of inadequacy. But even in the absolute worst stereotypes of the Rolex, TAG, Hublot, etc. buyer we do not see the same level of lowliness characteristic of the Seiko Male.

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For instance, the Seiko is not typically the kind of person whose feelings of inferiority make him a braggart, an egotist, a bully, a self-promoter, a ruthless competitor. This kind of person has not wholly lost faith in himself. He has a deficit in his sense of power and self-worth, but he can still conceive of himself as having the capacity to be strong, and his efforts to make himself strong produce his unpleasant behavior and tendency towards buying outlandish watches. But the Seiko is too far gone for that. His feelings of inferiority are so ingrained that he cannot conceive of himself as individually strong and valuable. However horribly misguided or distasteful you see the average Tag Heuer buyer from being, he still conceptualizes himself as being able to score women which is one of the biggest factors in his (admittedly very poor) choices in watches.

Despite claims to the contrary, we of course know through even a cursory examination how your average Seiko Male (and indeed the “Weaboo” type when speaking of the broader problem in Western masculinity) would react if you put an attractive, high value white woman in a room with him. Whereas the prototypical TAG-owner might in the worst case make a complete fool of himself and gain zero headway, for Seiko that is likely the height of his success. A Seiko is just as likely to be the type to awkwardly fumble and stammer his way through failed flirtation as he is to be the guy whos eyes beam with joy showing her his expansive collection of cartoon pony dolls and anime figurines.

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>Imagine being this butthurt that people can buy reliable watches with nearly infinite variations and aesthetics for 1/30th of what you paid for your overprice luxury jewelry
>Imagine being so jobless and lifeless that your daily life consists of eating, shitting and posting on Jow Forums all day
>Imagine being named Rakesh

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Notice the masochistic tendency of Seiko tactics when applied to real world activism. Seikos protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many Seikos use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a Seiko trait.

Many Seikos have an intense identification with the problems of groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American Indians), repellent (homosexuals) or otherwise inferior. The Seikos themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely because they do see these groups as inferior that they identify with their problems. In turn, the peculiar fascination with Japanese wristwatches stems from an identification with a society where being an emasculated “grass eater” has a certain degree of social acceptability far beyond what is present in traditional Western society (of which in many ways traditional Swiss horology typifies).

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Within watch forums the Seiko, rather than taking a conciliatory or lighthearted response to Rolex funposters which would in turn alleviate people mocking them, instead turn to desperately mashing the report button and responding with pictures of fish and passive aggressive butthurt.

We emphasize that the foregoing does not pretend to be an accurate description of everyone who might be considered a Seiko Male. It is only a rough indication of a general tendency of their community.

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