/pcbg/ - PC Building General - Non-shill edition

>Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g
>How to install older Windows with USB 3
pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

If you want help
>State the budget for your build
>List your uses- e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work

Overclocking
>DON'T BUY AN 8000K CPU OR Z300 BOARD IF YOU AREN'T OVERCLOCKING
>Delid 8000K
>Use Precision Boost Overdrive & BCLK increase for Ryzen 2000X
>Use a real stress test & trustworthy temp software- e.g. IntelBurnTest & Core Temp (DO NOT USE SPECCY)

CPUs
>2200G- Bare minimum gaming (dGPU optional)
>2400G- Consider if close to 2200G price
>2600/X- Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>2700/X- Best mixed usage
>8700K- Best for gaming, but most expensive platform & delid necessary
>Threadripper/used Xeon- VM work/streaming/video editing

Motherboards
>Don't buy A320 (All Ryzen are unlocked)
>Only Z300 Intel boards can utilize memory over 2666MHz

RAM
>8GB- Enough for most gaming use
>16GB- Standard for heavy use
>32GB- Too much for most users
>2933MHz is ideal; 3200 CL14 is B-die

Storage
>StoreMI can make HDDs better
>Consider getting a larger SSD instead of SSD+HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 might be SATA or PCIe
>PCIe/NVMe for intensive use only

Video cards
>SLI & CrossFire are unadvisable
1080p
>1050 Ti, 1060 3/6GB, or 570/580
>1070 or Vega 56 for 100+ fps
1440p
>1070/Ti or Vega 56/64
>1080 Ti for 100+ fps
2160p
>1080 Ti

Power supplies
>Fully modular is very convenient
>80+ Platinum is overpriced

Monitors
>Explain purpose- e.g. photo editing, gaming
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>G-SYNC only with high budget/GTX card
>Consider FreeSync with RX cards/APUs
>Low refresh rates benefit less from better CPUs

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Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=71onBU69dNg
rentry.co/pcbg-FAQ
techspot.com/review/1627-core-i5-8400-vs-ryzen-5-2600/page8.html
pcpartpicker.com/list/
pcpartpicker.com/list/fzktgw
pcpartpicker.com/list/zFT2kd
de.pcpartpicker.com/list/MvVjGG
de.pcpartpicker.com/list/WVnbpG
pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=124,129&xcx=0&sort=price&page=1
pcpartpicker.com/guide/qWLrxr/excellent-amd-gaming-build
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

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it's not btfo when you realize that 2600 OC and memory cost between $100-$250 more

>memory cost between $100-$250 more
>$30 cooler and $10 more expensive memory OCed to 3400 somehow makes it $100 more.

>6 threads tapped out

More like $60 tops, stop lying you turboshill

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>m-m-muh memory prices

All memory is expensive. The faster stuff is like $10-20 more.

DELID DIS

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returning builder here

so the benefits of the ryzen over intel are related mostly to power consumption and heat?

I see that it outperforms but only slightly so I assume there's a catch from the very little that I've been reading

educate me, I might as well be completely new since I've been out of the game for so long

>it's not btfo
Please go back to your shill thread

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are you retarded? he explicitly mentions he uses that samsung b-die stuff because normal ram won't overclock like that. his kit cost $250 alone. at least be objective so the non-shill newbies who legitimately come here for advice know the truth behind these images.

how the fr*ck do I set a non-native custom resolution on amd radeon settings

I have a 8 year old 32" TV that reports 1080p but it's not even close and a blurry mess, want to be at 1360x768

>his kit costs $250 along.
You can get a kit of samsung b-die ram that can overclock like a beast for ~$160

>But this youtuber used thisi part
Youtubers use whatever looks prettiest. They have B-roll shots to film.

>mostly to power consumption and heat?
and price and future proofing and security

>6 threads tapped out
No user don't look at the CPU usage

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>tfw you post in the previous thread

Ok so I figured out that I can hit 4.025ghz on all 6 cores for the 2600x and hit around 4.25-4.3 on the two 'fastest' cores. Without playing around in the bios sans enabling PBO. I can also crank up the voltage in Ryzen Master and put them all to 4.2 with 1.435v. I noticed with an all core OC the frequency stayed the same, but when not stress testing the total power usage went down. Am I right in guessing they're also dropping the volts when not actually in use?

Is there anyway to ensure all core OC at 4.2 as the 'max', but otherwise have the cpu back off? Or is it just constant all core vs slightly higher 1-2 cores?

I'm not concerned about energy costs, but more so about keeping temps low when the power isn't needed and not giving a fuck when it is needed.

>You can get a kit of samsung b-die ram that can overclock like a beast for ~$160
And that's a 16GB kit btw.

>That said it’s well worth nothing that it took an aggressive all core overclock, ultra expensive memory that was custom tuned and an upgraded cooler for the Ryzen 5 2600 to basically match the Core i5-8400 in this title. So while the gains and overall performance was excellent, the cost to achieve it is great.

>For those gaming exclusively, the Intel Core i5-8400 is arguably the better option. It’s certainly more cost effective and requires far less messing around to achieve the performance shown in this article.

>But when it comes to games the Core i5-8400 simply gets it done with less fuss. To replicate the performance seen in this article you merely need a basic B360 board, some low latency DDR4-2666 memory, and well... a GTX 1080 Ti, but you get the point. It’s also possible to squeeze another 5-10% out of the 8400 by using a Z370 motherboard and DDR4-3200 memory, though those gains are only realized with a high-end graphics card.

>The stock out of the box Ryzen 5 2600 performance can be achieved for roughly the same price as the budget Core i5-8400 build, and given the Intel CPU was faster overall this makes it the better value choice for gamers.

>The overclocked configuration will require an upgraded cooler, but for the results shown here you’ll also need a quality motherboard and premium Samsung B-die memory. I priced all this up and you’ll be paying ~$420 for the Core i5-8400 platform, while the overclocked Ryzen build is more like $500 with a basic air-cooler.

>So if you’re strictly gaming the 20% price premium of the overclocked Ryzen build can’t be easily justified for a 7% average gain. Alternatively, you could spend $500 on the Coffee Lake build and get the 8600K with a basic air cooler, enable MCE, and you’ve got an unstoppable gaming rig.

i guess the author was lying about it costing much more then amirite?

never mind got it, had to use the auto CVT timings

You are such a lying jew that everything hitler said in mein kampf about you is correct, Jewish intel shills will prey on stupidity to lie to consumers blatantly and will shriek in pain if they are ever found out which happens on a daily basis on Jow Forums. Fuck off.

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>much more
$30 more for B-Die and $25-$60 more for a decent cooler

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>i guess the author was lying about it costing much more then amirite?
defend this

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Or this shit

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this isn't really helping a newb out bruh, is there an issue with intel bottlenecking?

Hi /pcbg/ its this guy again
My CPU came today and so did I. After a small heart attack when I took the preinstalled brackets off for a smaller cooler and the backplate went with it. I had to take the motherboard out to install the HSF but it’s all good. It POSTed no problem. Windows gave me “irql not less or equal” so I’m installing ubuntu and will deal with that later.
I appreciate all the help. This is like putting on glasses for the first time.

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Yes, the 8600k and 8400 will. The only Intel CPU worth buying is the 8700k and that's knowing that the socket will die with the next chipset they release

so the intel chips rn are bottlenecking with current GPU hardware? and the ryzen is more futureproof?

is 8700k truly the last of the socket?

Yes

Yes and yes

>posts a literal benchmark that isn't even a real game
>even the author calls it "ashes of the benchmark"

the AMD shilling in these threads is insanity. you're literally the level of intel shills before ryzen came out and you think you're angels compared to them. you're literally lying to people who want the objective truth and hide behind screenshots with no background explanation to any of this. i quoted the AUTHOR who said for strictly gaming the 8400 is better and cheaper however if you're willing to pay the ~$100 global average for the x470 mobo, expensive b-die ram for the tight timings and also invest in an extra cooler then it's the much better option.

i ask a simple question, am i the one saying this or is the author saying this? why are you hating on me for reinforcing what the author of the benchmarks you're posting said? why even post the benchmarks if you don't agree with the guy who made them?

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>He thinks he will get the same results with a b350, shit ram and shit cooler with extreme oc'ing
Unless you pay $100+ more you wont get the results shown in this graph

bf1 is such shitty optimized i don't know a single person who's processor it doesn't bottleneck. it's weird because bf4 runs as smooth as a babys bottom and so does battlefront 2 which came after bf1. i think they must have implemented some new AO or other engine shit with bf1 so it runs like ass. in bf4 and battlefront 2 i get a locked 144fps on my 144hz monitor however i get like 50-90 fps in bf1 under the same conditions in big online battles with my old ass i5 from 5 years ago. so far bf1 is the only game which has this issue for me.

more threads is the future. deal with it

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8086k is technically the last one but it's just a better binned 8700k for almost $100 more

>He thinks he will get the same results with a b350
Look up shit before you say it
youtube.com/watch?v=71onBU69dNg

but aren't you also shilling for AMD?

to me it sounds like you prefer the AMD setup with a few tweaks anda little more cost for way more performance and futureproofing...

and with all the delid talk I've been reading, mind you I might as well be a newb since I'm just getting back into things, wouldn't a chip running bottleneck and hotter out of the box be a bad choice against the AMD setup?

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No one cares britfag, you arent anonmyomos here, so lets laugh at all the shit this dumb shill has said in the past

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There pay $100+ for 5 more fps
>b-but it uses 100% cores it doesnt matter that it gets worse perfomance than stock 2600 that uses 80%!
Kek

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Working on a FAQ rentry.co/pcbg-FAQ
Let me know if there's anything important missing, especially from CPU/GPU issues.
Keeping it objective so no actual specific CPU/GPU recommendations.

>his kit cost $250 alone
Why have you repeatedly this more than 10 times when you've been proven wrong every single time?
That RAM or equivolant is $200 right now. I haven't ever seen it over $215. Yet you keep lying and saying $250.

You're clearly spamming at this point. Might even be a bot since you can only repeat the same lie over and over and ignore anything replied to you.

0.1% minimums and 1% minimums in real world usage are better on Ryzen, at least.
And they run cooler and have a better upgrade path.

8700k will be better with a 1080t in 1080p... but that's a GPU you should be using for 1440p, where they're the same again. And you lose out on the easier and cheaper upgrade path to 7nm next year.

Yes, around $100 more. $30 more for an h7, $10 more for the CPU (often 2600X is on sale for only $10 more as well, which is an even larger performance increase with PBO enabled), and $30-$45 more for the RAM. A little less than $100, but not $250 more like that retard keeps spamming.

A LOT cheaper than an 8700k. Not much more than an 8400. You pay very little more to get a big performance increase over the 8400. Yet with an 8700k you're paying a fuckload more for a tiny (or no performance improvement at all at 1440p) yet you fucktards defend that shit all the time.

show me where i said it wasn't? show me where i even mentioned thread count? and for the record i don't disagree. that doesn't change anything about the lies you're trying to feed to people who aren't informed about this stuff and think they can go out tomorrow and by a 2600 and achieve that performance with basic core overclocking.

Another juicy one, he shills for nvidia too and just seems to have an autistic hate boner for AMD, wonder what they did to him.

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>why are you hating on me for reinforcing what the author of the benchmarks you're posting said?
I'm hardly "hating" you, I just pointed out that your numbers are off

It's the same person that says to get these results you need high end motherboard dumbass

>When you're that mongoloid that talks about vidya on Jow Forums

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Reminder that sexual images are mental pollution and that sexual indulgences incur a physiological penalty.
One great way to ruin the the rest of your day is to masturbate. Then you'll have less motivation and focus.

>>b-but it uses 100% cores it doesnt matter that it gets worse perfomance than stock 2600 that uses 80%!
That's correct. The point isn't to think "it's fine for current games"
But games won't always be like this. History has shown games becoming more and more multi-threaded. Give it a year or 2 before the 6 core i5 is in the same position the 4 core i5 was last year.

>The overclocked configuration will require an upgraded cooler, but for the results shown here you’ll also need a quality motherboard

techspot.com/review/1627-core-i5-8400-vs-ryzen-5-2600/page8.html

>dumbass
>didn't even look at the evidence provided

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I know what he said in the article, if you would look at the video instead of insisting with this shit you'd know you're wrong

How does someone manage to deduce any shilling from this when none of these talk about one company over the other

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You are very obviously talking about AMD in all of them, time to search this hash too

>it doesnt matter that it gets worse perfomance than stock 2600 that uses 80%
You're still wrong, crawl back to your thread come on

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>i'm wrong for quoting the same guy saying you need a quality motherboard

even a decent b350 motherboard with good VRM's is at least $50 more than the intel locked equivalent for the 8400.

Well lookie here indefinitely not talking about AMD at all

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where does it say nvidia/intel is better than amd?

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No one knows what will happen in the future. The majority of the games dont benefit from more threads and most likely wont in the future aswell, what makes you think every company will suddenly start optimizing their games to perform better with more threads?

Would you make any corrections to pcpartpickers "Excellent" gaming build? The link to the Intel version of the build is at the bottom of the page
pcpartpicker.com/list/

>inb4 hurr ayymd/intelaviv shill durr
I don't give a flying fuck about brands, I buy what's best for me, currently 1600 + 1080.
Below are two basic build for each variant for US and non-US.

Minimum 8400 build for $415: pcpartpicker.com/list/fzktgw
Minimum 2600 build for $484 + BIOS upgrade service for idk $20 = $505: pcpartpicker.com/list/zFT2kd
So 8400 build is about $90 cheaper than 2600 in US.

Outside US, for example Germany, the difference increases.
Minimum 8400 build for 407€: de.pcpartpicker.com/list/MvVjGG
Minimum 2600 build for 501€ + BIOS upgrade 27€ = 528€: de.pcpartpicker.com/list/WVnbpG
So 8400 build is about 121€ cheapter than 2600 outside US.

>>they were testing an rx 470 and didn't realise it
>Ok this is obvious b8 now

>>being this retarded

>Let me guess, he owns amd too. Who would have thought.

>please stop. youve been blown the hell out so many times now. go out and get a girlfriend or something instead of dedicating your life to shilling for amd.

>>itt dumb drones who are getting mad about marketing tactics

>lrn2business faggots. just because amd is shit at it, it doesn't mean everyone else should be pulled down to their level.

history has shown pc devs are becoming more and more lazy with optimization so beefier hardware is required to brute force your way to decent fps. look at any well optimized game it will run fine even on ancient i5's or potentially even dual cores.
e.g. fortnite which has 100 players in a game at a time yet doesn't rape the cpu and can get 200+ fps on an i5 from 2011

why should I choose either a ryzen 5 2600 or an intel i5 8400?

if I get a 1080ti what chipset is going to be more suitable?

where does it say nvidia/intel is better than amd?

>tfw no AMD gf

>at least $50 more
pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=124,129&xcx=0&sort=price&page=1
Stop embarrassing yourself please, the B350 PC Mate is decent and cheaper than ANY B360 motherboard
>but muh VRMs
the Tuf B350M-Plus has the best VRMs for a mATX motherboard and it's $82

sorry I didn't mean chipset, I meant which processor

which one isn't going to bottleneck, and this is without any OC

>just because amd is shit at it
>Let me guess, he owns amd too. Who would have thought.

are you trying to act retarded?

Woops
pcpartpicker.com/guide/qWLrxr/excellent-amd-gaming-build

This
Most people dont realize it unless you start posting builds and see the prices
Its better to save those bucks to get a better gpu than overpaying for a cpu in hopes that it will benefit more in the future

>1080ti
If you're gonna get a 1080ti, get either an R7 or an i7

>if I get a 1080ti what chipset is going to be more suitable?
You're working backwards. You decide what resolution/hz you want your monitor to be then buy the products for that. Are you playing at 1080p? Then you don't need a 1080ti for example.

The 2600, as shown many times in this thread the 8400 will bottleneck a lot of games (in particular if you intend to buy a 1080ti)

why are you pretending to know the context of the posts fucking KEK
>someone shills for amd
>let me guess he owns amd too
>someone shills for intel
>let me guess he owns intel too
>someone owns nvidia
>let me guess he owns nvidia too

get blown the fuck out son.

either of those will bottleneck a 1080 ti. for the best fps out of that gpu you'll need an OC 8700k
though it varies based on resolution

>being this delusional thinking a $50 board will work the same as a $150 x470

I got a memory related BSOD, so I ran memtest86 and it found 4 errors in test 6. Is there anything else for me to troubleshoot/do or should I just RMA right away?

>for the best fps out of that gpu you'll need an OC 8700k
I wonder who could be behind this post...

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Except all your posts you ever have made here in the last 2 years are all anti-AMD, Nigger i know how to search image hashes, don't lie to me because i know exactly when you are.

>decent b350 motherboard with good VRM's
AHAHAHAHA are you claiming the pc mate has good VRM's for aggressive all core OC? holy shit this is hilarious

>micro atx

this is even more hilarious

so if you get a 1080ti then that tosses all intel chips right out there window since you'd have to OC the very newest and best chip they have which is also the very last for that chipset which means obsolete motherboard

am i getting it?

Again, if you rub the couple of brain cells you have together and watched the evidence you'd know you're wrong

Even the hardcore amd shills agree that 8700k is best for gaming. You are beyond medical help at this point

>Intlel still on the 'only gaming matters'
Nevermind all the extra performance you will gain outside games.

>imagine being this dedicated to shilling for a jewish israeli company

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new guy, not taking sides

read

lmk

>l33t h4x0r
>thinks any retard can't use one of the many Jow Forums archives
>shitting on AMD GPU from bad personal experience means i hate AMD cpu and love nvidia and intel

yikes, btfo yet again son

Is there a difference between the ASUS ROG SWIFT 34"and the Dell U415W 34"?

Both are 34"
Both are curved
Both are 3440 x 1440

Only difference I see right now is one if $300 cheaper

The difference is not ebough to warrant the extra cost of a 8700K though unless you are using a 1080 Ti @ 1080p.

what happens if I don't delid my 8700k?

>thinks any retard can't use one of the many Jow Forums archives
Apparently its too much for you to think that I or anyone else that isnt retarded can look and see the full on retarded things you said in the past. You are a complete shill that hates amd for some unknown autistic reason.

the 8700k OC and 1080 ti will be fine for at least the next 5 years at 1080p. by literally the end of the year you're going to have the 1180 ti which will probably be like 70% faster than the 1080 ti and you'll once again need the best cpu available for gaming which will be the 8700k but then the cycle continues and you'd need a new cpu then gpu then cpu etc so you don't bottleneck anything. if you've got the money to spend on an overprices 1080 ti then you may as well shell out for the best cpu to go along with it for gaming.

You will still require a good cooler to get to 4.8Ghz or above.

>buying intel
god damn you are a brainlet

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literally every ryzen bench is this thread is gaming so why would we talk about anything other than that?

>He thinks the 1180 Ti is coming at the end of this year
kek

By the time the 1180 Ti is out Zen 2 will have dropped and made the 8700K obsolete.

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GAMING DOESN'T MATTER

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Pretty much, unless you're willing to spend close to $500 for a CPU+motherboard and have to change it when a new CPU releases yes (they've been doing this for a long time, changing sockets to make you pay for the newest motherboard when sometimes the old motherboard was perfectly compatible but they lock it on purpose)

nope because nothing i've said in the past aligns me with any company. shitting in amd gpu =/= shitting on amd. show me anywhere were i've said ryzen sucks. i'll wait mr. underage l33t h4x0r :^)

>made the 8700K obsolete.
it is obsolete

where did anyone say gaming doesn't matter? wtf

It's literally the only two things Intlel shills can cling onto along with Adobe buttfuck. All those security holes too.