Will doctors be obsolete in 2030?

>WILL DOCTORS BE OBSOLETE IN 2030?
>NO...
>DIAGNOSIS, NOT TREATMENT.

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>No, because nobody (yet) wants to be treated by a machine.
>treated by a machine
>treated

ok can it cure my fucking heart attack tho

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I want to be treated by robonurses

Robonurse efficient hand relief

>trusting a robot with your life

Trusting a mid twenties sleep deprived cunt to give you full attention while treating 20+ other patients vs AI with worlds worth of up to minute diagnostic info to flag potential issue to refer to a specialist in real-time

Pretty much all human labor/professions will probably be.

In reality the bot will do a series of maybe 5 if checks and then give you the ten most likely diseases in no particular order.

Thank you, that will be 2500$.

This, unless fetish market for human produced products/services. Bullshit like Chinese medicine will be safe though

>the robodoc utilizes the WebMD API to determine what you have

>trusting a human with your life

Assumes a shitty health model, i.e. US. Other countries with non retarded health models could use it as a cost effective step in cutting down waiting lists before involving specialists where appropriate

>shitty health model, i.e. US
Fucking idiot from Northern Europe

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There's more to medicine than detecting acute issues.

Enjoy your crippling debt for simple procedure if you're unlucky enough to lose your job and can't afford the private health care premiums, instead of having safety net of tax paid secondary care option

>crippling debt
>simple procedure

Umm... What?

I'm actually surprised that Americans haven't fallen for the Universal Health Care meme yet given how stupid they usually are.

Faith healing will make doctors obsolete

>And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover."
Mark 16:15-18 ESV

It's called mri and cat

You know we have coverage for poor people here, right? It's called Medicaid.

dumbass

I think it will just allow doctors to make the final decision faster and cheaper allowing them to see more patients.

That's really the thing. The machines don't have to be perfect, they just have to be better than people.

livescience.com/44888-misdiagnosis-doctors-visits.html

That's an easily fixed problem, you just have a less-trained (and less expensive) human being who retrieves symptoms from the patient and enters them into the control panel of Doctor Bot Jobstealer, PHD MD AuD DC
DDS DMD DO DPM DPT DScPT DSN DVM ENT GYN MS OB/GYN PharmD, who then makes the diagnosis. And maybe you have that clerk/intern/whatever return the diagnosis to the patient.

People may not like it, but what's the rational justification for not doing it if they have an error rate of less than 5%?

Doctors as we know them will be obsolete, but people with skilled hands will probably be valuable for much longer. Ironically it's harder for the bots to steal jobs that involve the use of hands than those prestigious white-collar jobs.

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Man I'm honestly worried about even our jobs being outdone by some program-writing AI in the future. I'm just 18 I'm really worried I won't be able to get a job programming.

Doctors are very important people, even with such systems in place people wouldn't feel comfortable with a machine doing 100% of the work so a Doctor will always be around to explain why the fuck the huge mechanical arm is cutting your chest open.

>because people value their own driving ability higher than that of a computer.
Consider this:
>2030
>India is a superpower
>you want to drive your /o/ tier 1994 shitbox around town
>insurance is still mandated
>you can still obtain insurance, but since you are a biodriver, all the insurance agencies jack up your rates
>paying 300 bucks a month when you could be paying a fraction of that money
>driving now becomes a commodity
>you must entrust your life in the hands on Elon's proprietary Python OpenCV serverside application to drive your car
>that's right, serverside
>meaning, without an internet connection, your Muskmobile won't even drive itself, making you automatically at-fault for any accident that may befall you

ITT we don't know the difference between a doctor and a diagnostician.

i would rather trust a robot over some South African nigger making a ton of money and not giving a shit.

this
as a GP two-thirds of patients will have chronic health problems. Diagnosing the patient and formulating a treatment is only one of a doctor's roles.
They must also build a rapport with the patient and empower the patient to undergo lifestyle changes.

if they replace fucking doctors (who have to study for 15 or so years to be fully trained) with machines (including surgeons/opthalmologists et cetera) who do really intricate, complex procedures they will replace every other worker. No one will have work.

>le robots will kill us because le reddit told me so xD save us le elon!!!!
Calm the fuck down, AI can't even make pajeet tier programs and this won't change in at least the next 20 years.

Hey kid, funnyjunk is thataway.

The people who are saying doctors will be obsolete by 2030 are like people in the 1940s saying we'll have flying cars by the year 2000.

That is not an argument.

I like the thought of something automatically telling me what's wrong with me so that I'm not at risk of saying something inaccurate to my doctor and leading him down the wrong path, but I'd also hate it to be fully automated because then if you want to get adderall, it might become harder.

not him, but it's an analogy, and I don't see the point of saying it's not an argument as if he came here to argue

I’m in cardiovascular pathology doing clinical trials, coronary device research, genetic studies, etc.
No, doctors will never be replaced, for a couple of reasons:

In order to use something on patients, you need to have a testable model that’s been through FDA trials. None of these programs will survive clinical trials because the benefit/risk ratio will be too high for the foreseeable future, and the first failed AI trial will poison the well for future studies. Look up Abbott’s ABsorb BRS stent: passed phase II, then killed a bunch of people and single-handedly destroyed bioresorbable products trial prospects even now. Companies like BostonScientific are trying to breach the market again, but it’ll be hard.

Not only that, but it is impossible to build a robot that can handle all circumstances demanded by surgery. I was at the MCVC conference (cardio complications from surgery), and a machine will either lack the tools, specificity, or creativity necessary to bring a patient who coded because they had low coronary takeoff during valve deployment back from the brink of death. 90% of transcatheter procedures use at least 1 product off-label or in an unconventional manner.

Per current FDA rules, procedures have to be overseen by a board-certified MD. There’s no way around it. Even if an AI treats you, an MD still supervises the AI.

Finally, human interaction is a huge part of the medical process. There are anywhere from 10-15 separate doctors and technicians involved in making and addressing a diagnosis. AIs simply don’t have the ability to read a CT, listen to a list of symptoms (and patient self-reporting is notoriously statistically dangerous), read biopsy slides, and perform surgery. That, plus, there is a ridiculous amount of bias in peer-reviewed literature (which impact factor has tried but mostly failed to solve) that makes deep-learning algorithms prone to iatrogenic error.

samefag

no

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No, I will not trust my life to some poo-in-loo code machine.

phonefag, even worse

Nice try

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dumb. please stop posting

Nah

Europeans usually know nothing about American healthcare except for whatever propaganda their socialist governments feed them

He could be emulating Android on his desktop

theregister.co.uk/2018/05/25/ibms_watson_layoffs/
some people just bought the marketing speak too much

nevermind, that's not the article I wanted to share:
theregister.co.uk/2017/09/25/ai_in_medicine/
gizmodo.com/why-everyone-is-hating-on-watson-including-the-people-w-1797510888

>Everything is cancer
>Everything

If Elizabeth hadn't been full of shit and fucked 1/2 the DOD brass out of investment money, then yes, most GP's/NP's would probably be out of a job in a decade or two. the really good ones would probably still be in business, but they would be backed by AI. NEET's and the other poors would be going to auto-doc clinics, shure as shit.

As it stands? Diagnosticians out of work by 2040 or 2050. some specialized surgeons will probably start feeling the heat from Telepresence competition sooner, especially if poo and chink docs turn out to be any good.

considering most doctors are pajeets, i wouldn't mind

Thid isn't true btw. Europeans come here for our superior healthcare.

>he's assblasted he wasn't smart enough to be a doctor

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fuck off nigger. Our own people with that shaky hand syndrome, the one from that time traveling car actor has, go to Mexico and Canada to seek treatment because US kike doctors and their Zionist puppets have the drugs used to help that shit listed as schedule 1 drugs.

>Muh FDA

The US is a failing power and this is just another reason they will fall behind.

Progress can't be stopped. Too bad the chinks will be driving it. Fat mutt faggots

The would be obsolete now, if not for the AMA restricting technology.

Back in the 1970's, Mycin was doing a better job selecting antibiotics than human doctors (65% for the Expert System vs 45% for the human). The AMA put a stop to that line of research.

Medfag here. Detecting a heart attack is nigger tier. A mongoloid could do it.
Our profession will probably fade out in time but not by 2030

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MYCIN also ran into an acquisition issue. if you still had to rely on some asshole to type in what he thinks is going on, then you're not much better than a verification system.

is right in that the compact testing schema is going to be required to make something like that really feasible.

I hope so, doctors seem to be making guesses.

I think it'll be analysis type stuff first. Like looking at x-rays for cancer or broken bones, looking at ultrasounds for babies or whatever.

Then it'll be automated diagnostic checks and recommendations so you don't even need a GP.

After that will probably be surgery assistance machines helping surgeons do their job, which will slowly segue into outright replacing surgeons for basic procedures and then eventually even complicated procedures (probably getting started in mobile army hospitals where you need quantity and not quality of surgeons)

No, AI would be used as tools and will streamline some things which may lead to some reduction in low level staff since productivity will go up but they won't outright replace them. Operations for example are hard, chaotic and time limited where outliers can decide life or death. Current AI learning technique is largely analysing which sets of actions lead to the best outcome and then sticking to them. No one is going to let it learn on humans so instead it will have to analyse past data and academic research but it's biased and again chaotic, in critical situation just sticking to the most common action won't cut it.

Second no one will want (outside of few autists) to interact with robots when their life is at stake. Lastly think about all the legal implications, we are just starting to get self driving cars and laws around it. Imagine what kind of a legal shit show will happen when AI operated surgery ends up killing someone? Who will be sued, hardware or software manufacturer, who will hold a legal responsibility then?

Of course politicians would know if a drug has medical use or not.

No, but jews (You) will be extinct by then.

Doctors if anyone are Jews

doubt it. I've already seen a huge amount of automation coming into use and so far it has supported doctors but never replaced any of them.

>we took the flowchart medical professionals use to diagnose a heart attack and wrote a program that runs through the same flow chart, and lo and behold it has virtually the same accuracy as medical professionals

wow amazing

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doctors are just machines to diagnose ICD codes and prescribe CPT codes btw

The only people who would oppose it are 30 year old boomers who want everything done like it was in the "good old days"

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Not as long as Shekelberg is the most common doctor in the US.

truly fucking advanced algorithm

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No, they'll be relegated to non-AI dominated work.

I have a rare incurable kidney disease and the only man to actually look into it (Martin Shkreli) was jailed.

Not only that, but they jailed him for tripling his investor's money.

What a shitty world we live in.

The internet has brought us a new mob rule, except the mobs are being roused by journalists, the absolute worst scumbags on the planet.

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My neural network tells me he died

No they will just train less

>Elizabeth
what?

it would probably be running windows 10 and other proprietary software that might crash or do something unexpected and kill you

can confirm, am former journalist, am also scumbag

AIs trounce average doctors at making consistent and accurate inferences from typical presentations.
Very good doctors make infer from presentations that aren't typical, where AIs fail. This is because AIs don't know physiology, they're just Bayesian statistical models.

Keep hope alive. He may have been the only one looking into it then, but he's not going to be the last, human or otherwise. You will either live long enough to see the end of this suffering, or be at peace in death anyway. If you're not planning to die anytime soon, all you have is to look forward to the future where the possibility of progress is always there.

This may make it worse but imagine how much effort and money has gone into tinnitus without a cure yet. Big support does not mean fast cures, but low support does not mean incurable either. One little thing can solve an incredibly complex problem, we just have to bear and wait for it.

why would anyone want to be a doctor?
>have to deal with retarded people all day long
>making oneself responsible for the health and even the lives of other people makes it a highly stressful job
>having to work at terrible hours and 16 hrs a day
>having to memorize a shitload of stuff as an student
>one mistake and you could be fucked for life
seriously, other than the money, what's so good about being a doctor?

You actually enjoy the job and never get bored. Plebs wont understand.

>Shkreli
for those of you who don't know/remember, he's pharmabro, the guy that raised some AIDS drug's price 5000%
if course he did it for the sheckels but it's still funny how assblased the normie internet got over it, gotta protect muh gays i guess

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Maybe I'm naive but I trust his argument. Which I'll summarize as
>none of our clients are affected, their insurance providers are which lets us get more money to do more research on the shit nobody cares about because there's no money in it
>anyone who would be affected we provide for them
Now of course the last bit sounds like bullshit, but this dude used to livestream every night where his phone number was public and he'd answer any and every call. For someone in such a position he seemed really easy to contact and was probably not lying about saying "if you need it, just call me directly and I'll sort you out".

I do wonder how legitimate he was, but I honestly give him the benefit of the doubt this time.

There are around only 10k patients who need that drug a year. The prior cost was $1. This isn’t a sustainable business.

After the price hike the cost of the drug was covered by insurance. There isn’t a single person who needed the drug that didn’t get it as a result of the price hike. All profits go into research and development, which as you can imagine costs more than 10k a year.

>anyone who would be affected we provide for them
>call
>hi mr Shkreli, i'd need that Daraprim please
>"lmao bro did you fuck a man or something haha"
>mr Sh-
>"hahah bro sure come pick it up, but why did you fuck a man haha you should have fucked a lady lol"
>*gives you fake address*
>*blocks your number*

the profession is already full of algorithms to remember for each specialist that absolutely need to be used in order to make a diagnosis. algorithms created by summits of doctors basically using statistics and sort of big data

All we need are surgeons anyways. Traditional general medicine doctors are deprecated

>activate medical robot backdoor
>replace the childbirth procedure with abortion

Just imagine the capabilities can't wait for this.