Remember OpenBSD? Now there's a real OS, they don't make them like that anymore. Reminds me of the software we had back in the day.
Remember OpenBSD? Now there's a real OS, they don't make them like that anymore...
Landon Long
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Kevin Smith
why are you using past tense? BDSs still exist
Nathaniel Collins
So do vacuum tubes and radios, but you don't see people using those anymore gramps
Carson Nguyen
>Reminds me of the software we had back in the day.
Yeah, it has the same level of features and hardware support as what I used in college way back in the 70's. Nice talkin' to ya, I gotta go do an overhaul on my mower deck, spindle bearings are makin' an awful racket.
Adrian Bell
What about the Commodore 64? What do you think about it?
Eli Scott
>OpenBSD
Wait... what's wrong with it? I was considering downloading it re-learning it on an old laptop for low specs devices and arm stuff. I liked *BSD more than linux, some years ago. >can browse web and be like in a tank, safe from all weird links, malware, bugs and exploits.
Brody White
OpenBSD is a meme
>Filesystem
default FS doesn't even support SSD TRIM, and OpenBSD doesn't support anything modern like ZFS or BTRFS.
In the CIA triad of Confidentiality, Integrity, and Availability, availability seems to be the one that's lacking. Who cares how hack-resistant your system is if the data you're protecting is corrupted?
That's not even getting into the volume management stuff that's missing, and the snapshots, and the everything.
"b-b-but MUH BACKUPS!!"
You do realize that if the filesystem is not secure and does not protect against bitrot and corruption, your precious backups are going to be fucked, because you'll be backing up corrupted data. Who even knows how far you'll have to roll back in order to get to a clean state?
>Security
"Only two remote holes in the default install!!!!!!!"
Yay!
I hope you realize that this literally only applies to a base system install with absolutely no packages added. In other words, not exactly representative or meaningful towards... anything really
>Sustainability
A few years ago, OpenBSD was actually in danger of shutting down because they couldn't keep the fucking lights on. How could anyone see this as a system they could rely on, when it could be in danger of ending at any time?
>Standards-compliance
"B-But OpenBSD is written in strictly standards-compliant C! Clearly that's better than muh GNU virus!"
So you're not allowed to create extensions to the standard? You should only implement the standard and nothing more? Keep in mind that this is nothing like EEE, as the GNU extensions are Free Software, with freely available source code, as opposed to proprietary shite. People should be allowed to innovate and improve things.
If you're gonna be anal about standards-compliance, then why let people make their own implementations anyway? Why not have the standards organizations make one C implementation and force everyone to use it?
Xavier Ramirez
Amazing system.I used to draw triangles and squares with it all the time. There's nothing like the experience of spending hours typing in commands and seeing the results. When I was a kid, we either had to do this on paper or with an etch-a-sketch. Technology is amazing.
Luke Collins
TRIM when?
ZFS when?
Multicore firewall when?
NFSv4 when?
Let's go into those:
TRIM is vital to properly supporting SSDs. Without it, deleting a few pages from the storage would require the deletion of the entire block before putting it all back, creating unnecessary reads and writes and ultimately causing a faster degradation of the SSD.
ZFS, and other filesystems like it, provide numerous features both for better management of your data with subvolumes, as well as better security. The security features include snapshotting, checksumming of all data and metadata, bitrot protection, excellent implementation of software RAID, and so on. Backups should of course always be made, but they can be complimented with a better FS. I can just imagine it now: An OpenBSD admin routinely backing up his system, unaware that data is being silently corrupted. By the time it's a problem, it's too late. Imagine how far back he'd have to roll back to get to a stable state? If only he had a filesystem that wasn't written in the 80s, and actually did something to protect his data. OpenBSD has best security? I think not.
PF, at least on OpenBSD, does not support more than one core of one processor. Linux's netfilter on the other hand, does. Not much else to say.
It's been 18 years since NFSv4 was originally standardized, and OpenBSD has still not gotten around to implementing it. This is quite a deficiency, as NFSv4 now allows you to authenticate connections with Kerberos, and even encrypt the data transfers. Once again, you would think such a security-focused OS would care about such benefits, but alas, no.
Ryan Morgan
No fair, you're using canned replies and destroying the role playing thing we had going on here.
Eli Martin
Why this thread even exist?
Oliver Smith
I like it, OpenBSD + Xfce and it can do anything linux can. I don't use wifi and I keep my files on external HDD, who give a shit about bit rot.
I prefer obsd to having a million programs on my system and I have no idea what they do.
Justin White
OpenVMS... now that's a true work of art... Kids these days with their home micros don't recognize a good OS...
Aaron Sullivan
you guys are right, ubuntu is the superior system
Luis Hill
They're porting OpenVMS to x86
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Camden Mitchell
OpenBSD is good shit. Needed to replace it with windows for uni and I miss it
Carter Nelson
if it were a work of art. actually open source it then. otherwise no one fucking cares.
Blake Gutierrez
OPENBSD: WHY DO NOT USE
Mason Sanders
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Jeremiah Reed
Andrew Smith
you millennials and your open sores,,,,, back in my day us programmers programmed and let the lawyers take care of the licensing hubbub,,.
Lincoln Walker
>i-its a work of art
>can i try it?
>yeah, you just have to pay thousands in licenses and also own a special snowflake itanium HP workstation that is also in the thousands
fucking hate boomers.
Ryder Butler
look now sonny... just walk into the DEC offices, look the manager in the eyes and give a firm handshake,,,,
Daniel Watson
"say lignux"
Hudson Rivera
Because of liberal licenses companies that use bsd-like systems don't publish fixes/chages/optimizations. Development is then slow and those systems are not very usable.
Camden Lewis
Google uses a proprietary modified version of Linux for their servers at least in the past
>And there's a lot in that tree. Google started with the 2.4.18 kernel - but they patched over 2000 files, inserting 492,000 lines of code. Among other things, they backported 64-bit support into that kernel. Eventually they moved to 2.6.11, primarily because they needed SATA support. A 2.6.18-based kernel followed, and they are now working on preparing a 2.6.26-based kernel for deployment in the near future. They are currently carrying 1208 patches to 2.6.26, inserting almost 300,000 lines of code. Roughly 25% of those patches, Mike estimates, are backports of newer features.
>Linus asked: why aren't these patches upstream? Is it because Google is embarrassed by them, or is it secret stuff that they don't want to disclose, or is it a matter of internal process problems? The answer was simply "yes." Some of this code is ugly stuff which has been carried forward from the 2.4.18 kernel. There are also doubts internally about how much of this stuff will be actually useful to the rest of the world. But, perhaps, maybe about half of this code could be upstreamed eventually.
They even use a proprietary file system for their data centers.
Luis Mitchell
Yes, but at the same time git log on mainline kernel:
> git log --pretty=short | grep "google.com" | wc -l
8138
James Campbell
>I don't use wifi
So Ethernet?
Julian Nelson
I'd install bsd only if they get a real file system.
Jose Parker
yeah, it's a desktop so I just leave it plugged into the modem. I only mention that because I've tried to go with FreeBSD on a couple different laptops and there were no drivers for the wireless hardware, so I don't know OpenBSD might be a pain in the ass on some machines but it works great on this one.
Eli Morales
Like what?
Austin Gonzalez
this dude literally posts this same exact copypasta in every BSD thread. says he’s actually a linux fanboy but is probably an MS or Oracle shill
Josiah White
kek
Jack Perez
Michael Harris
And what stops companies doing the same with GPL'ed code? The FSC cant do shit unless you shove millions of dollars in their face. BSD licenses are much more attractive to companies anyway due to being permissive and not restrictive like GPL. Fucking Socialists.
Dylan Ramirez
if they do that then eventually it becomes harder to merge with upstream anyway
Noah Jackson
The shit is this?
Michael Russell
Both BSD and GPL licenses are probably a net negative for software quality.
marktarver.com
Blake Stewart
Pfft, hey kid, while you’re Linux virtual server is sleeping because of Meltdown my OpenBSD on bare metal’s still chugging.
Jaxson Wright
Different user here. Do you not know how to install the wifi drivers on OpenBSD or do you not care/want them?
Anthony Murphy
>much more attractive to companies
That's funny when you think about the BSD infringement of Intel and the Linux market share.
I love when BSD fags attack the hardest target because fake superiority complex and fail miserably.
Samuel Bennett
Ryder Martin
i want to diddle her fiddle
Owen Johnson
>marktarver.com
>The isolated points fallacy consists in taking the high scoring points on the graph and ignoring all the other points. Hence FOSS champions wheel out the standard examples of success - Star Office, Emacs, Red Hat Linux, and SBCL - ignoring the vast sea of floating half submerged buggy and abandoned projects (over 120,000) that litter SourceForge.
The vast majority of proprietary software projects are also garbage, so I dunno what this boomerjeet is talking about.
Logan Allen
>And what stops companies doing the same with GPL'ed code?
For many of them nothing. But for other reputation (google for example). Note that according to this: linuxfoundation.org
> The top 10 companies, which employ kernel developers to contribute to the Linux kernel, make up nearly 57 percent of the total changes to the kernel
>BSD licenses are much more attractive to companies anyway due to being permissive and not restrictive like GPL
Problem is that BSD licenced software is not so fast/usable because companies are not forced (according to licence) to publish their changes on this software. Probably most of those changes ar
e shit, but some of them are gold, example BRR: github.com
Eli Powell
Mark Tarver is the opposite of any *jeet. He is the guy who made Shen, the Lisp.
Nicholas Bell
>Shen
Garbage language
Mason Ortiz
>Problem is that BSD licenced software is not so fast/usable because companies are not forced (according to licence) to publish their changes on this software. Probably most of those changes ar
>e shit, but some of them are gold, example BRR: github.com
Hudson Turner
based openbsd poster
Carter Martinez
thanks for posting this
Christian Gray
well I get shitty wifi in my house anyway, eventually I'll get a router that will correct this but as it is I can get 10x more speed using the ethernet cable
Adam Johnson
>"Only two remote holes in the default install!!!!!!!"
What the fuck does this even mean?
Tyler Sanchez
I think he means "Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time!
" The team probably already fixed both of them a long time ago when they were identified.
Isaac Ward
I love this pasta but you gotta correct the last part dude. The openbsd guys actually did extend the c standard as they added their own string handling functions, the strl* functions.
Dylan Adams
is this meme just shilling for monster energy drinks?
Isaiah Rodriguez
>The openbsd guys actually did extend the c standard
Don't most UNIX-likes have their own extra shit along with all of the posix stuff that isn't part of ISO C in their libc though ?
Cooper Flores
Yes, and they have to.
The POSIX standards are really big, old, and not perfect. They're not the word of god, they're guidelines to try and have systems be compatible with each other.
Mason Gonzalez
It's more in reference to how BSDfags seem to have a seething hatred for the GNU extensions
Connor Nguyen
I agree with the rest, but
>A few years ago, OpenBSD was actually in danger of shutting down because they couldn't keep the fucking lights on. How could anyone see this as a system they could rely on, when it could be in danger of ending at any time?
is bullshit. OpenBSD is open source, meaning that, at any time, someone else could take the code and maintain it themselves. It rarely happens anymore for whatever reason, but once upon a time, it happened all the time
Isaac Scott
yeah because the GNU guys ironically love the EEE method
the openbsd team at least tried to get their extensions into POSIX and glibc (glibc doesn't want them because they have some kind of complex)
Owen Martinez
It also shills baltica beers
Elijah Lopez
>microsoft/amazon/google/cloudflare/apple shilling divisions btfo by monster energy
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