He has over 700 packages

>he has over 700 packages

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>he cares about package count

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>he consumes the terms of minimalism and bloated with package count

btw i use arch

>He has over 250 packages
>He enjoys such inane levels of bloat

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t. arch user who thinks his bloated packages are minimal

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But Arch is simple for the user.

>official repos of supported software are tiny, have to use unsupported (aka broken) scripts from someone if I want a certain package
>partial upgrades not supported
>packages might break and you can't downgrade, have to wait until someone fixes it
>certain software is basically hard wired into the whole system

>simple for the user

All of those things would point to simplicity, I don't think you actually want simplicity. You sound very dumb.

This is your friendly reminder that the arch linux devs don't give a shit about minimalism or simplicity for the user. They only care about it for developers.
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nope, its simple for the autistic devs.

>he has less than 700 packages
>uses arch linux
lmaoing @ your life summer fag.

That doesn't preclude it from being simple for the user.

>doing things manually that work better automatically is somehow simpler for the end user
Are you braindead?

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lmaoing my ass off at all these ubuntu losers jelly of my 500 packages

>official repos of supported software are tiny
For the sake of simplicity
>partial upgrades not supported
Because complex upgrades are not simple
>packages might break and you can't downgrade, have to wait until someone fixes it
I thought you said things worked better when you didn't have to do them manually?
>certain software is basically hard wired into the whole system
It's simpler that way.

So how in the world did you come to the conclusion that I'm telling you to do things manually when they could be done automatically? You are very, very stupid.

>still confusing users with developers
Did you also install arch on your tech iliterate grams computer, because it's so "simple"? You are very, very stupid.

>OP doesn't mention arch
>instant arch shit-flinging
you're your own worst nightmare, Jow Forums.

(btw i use arch)

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>he has 699 packages

How am I doing that when I'm only referring to the user experience? Or are you so stupid that you cannot fathom that possibility?
>Did you also install arch on your tech iliterate[sic] grams computer, because it's so "simple"?
What are you talking about now? Do you know what simple means? Do you want to posit a legitimate response or would you rather babble on about your misunderstanding of the word "simple"? Perhaps you'd like to misinterpret my post once more for good measure.

Maybe elaborate your understanding, so there's no confusion.

Maybe you shouldn't enter conversations so ill-prepared.

It's because 100% without fail, every poster who complains about large package counts is an Arch user.
Which is because Arch combines hundreds of programs into a single package then calls it a day, where Debian or Gentoo would break up a software package into discrete parts.

As an example - Kodi is a single package in Arch, with ALL plugins included.
In Debian, the Kodi package only contains the executable and resources required to simply start Kodi (and deps on other packages which might be required to provide that, like libavcodec), ALL plugins are separate packages.

>hahaha I don't use my computer for anything else than desktop threads
Seriously what? I'm not even a meme Linux user and I think this is pretty retarded.

Maybe you lost.
You are very, very stupid.

Why are you so insecure?

Thanks, that clears it up. So Arch is actually more bloated because it gives less options with the native repo/package manager.

I think you are lost. You low effort trolling belongs on /v/. Not here.

So you also have no idea what trolling means.

No idea, sadly that does not make OPs argument any less retarded.

Good one.

worst get in history, thank you piece of shit, kys

no, what is 100% without fail is that those who complain about high package counts are either/or;
- don't use linux for much of anything
- don't use their computer for much of anything
- just want to piss some people off
package count is meaningless, since as you said, what counts as a package various from system to system, and there's nothing even wrong with having a lot of packages installed
take mine for example, it's arch yet i have 1469 packages installed, and i do occasionally clean things up, it's fairly high because i simply use a lot of software, this is my main system

Why are wojak posters completely incapable of not shitposting?

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>she does not have more than 1k packages

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>want to compile some shit from source
>need rat's tail of dependencies
>fuckit.mkv
>apt-get install EVERYTHING-YOLO EVERYTHING-YOLO-dev
>never remove packages later on
>no fucks are given

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based

Fucking archfags

This is pure masochism.

t. unironically too stupid to use gentoo

Why would you subject yourself to this many packages?

I knew something had changed when I tried Arch recently. bootloader section is also dumb, they give you no recommended defaults in any of these sections.

I like my system to do what I need it to do

Are you fucking retarded? Serious question, and I'm not even that user.

You don't need KDE. Just install i3 or dwm like a normal human being.

>You don't need that lol

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In a literal sense, you don't need KDE.

You also don't need any sort of GUI. But it's more comfortable to have one, right?
So yes, I need it because it fulfills my current requirements better than any minimal wm

Geniune question as im new to linux. What is the problem with high package count when disk space is so cheap now a days? Does it slow down the system or something?

See: And

Some distros automatically enable background services for certain packages, but even then it's not a big problem
It's only an issue for autists who don't give a shit about actual usability and only care about irrelevant shit, like a few MB less of used RAM even though their system has 16GB

~ lfs-me indexlist |wc -l
751
~

751 packages for gnome desktop on LFS based system.

what is lowest number for usable ubuntu?
>usable

Tfw tex

3
kernel, shell and coreutils

arch = no job since you don't value your time

How did you come to that conclusion?

$ aptitude search ".*tex.* ~i" -F "%p"|wc -l
86
not even that many tbqh

Because you spend your time doing simple things that every other distro does automatically.

Such as?

Writing PKGBUILDs because no one else does for the package you want
Configuring the system with muh config files
Installing and updating the bootloader manually
Recompiling the kernel because arch only provides a shitty default one
Writing your own X config

Let me rephrase
>he does actual work on his computer

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>Writing PKGBUILDs because no one else does for the package you want
You don't have to do that, and that is a problem for many distros.
>Configuring the system with muh config files
You don't have to do that any more than on other distros.
>Installing and updating the bootloader manually
It's faster that way.
>Recompiling the kernel because arch only provides a shitty default one
You have to do that on any distro when you don't match up with it.
>Writing your own X config
You don't have to do that, unless you are referring to the one line you have to add to use startx.

not him, but;
>Writing PKGBUILDs because no one else does for the package you want
writing and sharing pkgbuilds is easy as piss, i've written a handful of things in the aur
>Configuring the system with muh config files
not since systemd
>Installing and updating the bootloader manually
is running grub-install that hard?
>Recompiling the kernel because arch only provides a shitty default one
there's a bunch of common patched kernels in the aur
>Writing your own X config
?

>Writing your own X config
What is this? 2002? Xorg works perfectly out of the box now and only time you ever need to touch configs for it is when you want to customize how the hardware is interfaced or if you're using special hardware.

>You don't have to do that, and that is a problem for many distros.
Most distros actually provide working packages
>You don't have to do that any more than on other distros.
Wrong, show me arch's dpkg-reconfigure
>It's faster that way.
How's it faster than your package manager doing it automatically?
>You have to do that on any distro when you don't match up with it.
Wrong, other distros provide update-alternatives
>writing and sharing pkgbuilds is easy as piss, i've written a handful of things in the aur
And still a lot more work than just installing a working package. If you want to compile you might as well use gentoo
>there's a bunch of common patched kernels in the aur
You still have to compile them

i've spend less time compiling a few uncommon things from the aur than i did looking for ppa's in ubuntu

install gentoo

also, "You still have to compile them" is a poor argument when talking about something from the aur
it's not like you have to actually do any work yourself, as far as the user is concerned, it just takes longer to install

>Most distros actually provide working packages
Most distros are slow to provide new and up to date software in their repos.
>Wrong, show me arch's dpkg-reconfigure
Irrelevant, really.
>How's it faster than your package manager doing it automatically?
Because it takes less time...
>Wrong, other distros provide update-alternatives
Which distros are you referring to? Most just have you recompile. It's not like it's a difficult or time consuming thing to do.

Let's say you a simple C/c++ developer.
Basic installation for debian+xfce is somewhat to 550 packages
Add to that
All the Gcc versions you need plus all the libraries you jeed for any crosscompilation.
At least one sane editor, e.g. emacs where the added functionality doesn't add packages.
At least one debugger, gdb and maybe kdbg
A browser for searching manuals and documentation online
A media player for your music
A pdf reader
Some ide for when you need to work on more complex projects with multiple libraries
Add some dev libraries like boost libxml sqllite sdl2 e.t.c.
Cmake autoconf e.t.c.
Git?
And the list is endless.

If your job is posting on Jow Forums, I believe you can stay as low as 500 packages.

>2018 year of the linux desktop
>being a packagelet

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Wagecuck.

Am I doing something wrong? What popular things have a ton of dependencies?

inb4 ubuntu

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I bet you proud of being neckbeard

>inb4 ubuntu
>yet he uses ubuntu himself
wtf are you inb4ing yourself
pls lurk 2 years before posting

"inb4 ubuntu" means that you shouldn't criticize him for using that.

>using fish

Motherfucker you named your computer the same as I did

Did you name it after the same character?

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>The software is free.
>He is an enthusiast and advocate for free software.
>He wants to use as little as possible free software

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how do I uninstall the packages in base-devel that aren't required by other packages?

sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root

>Using an OS to appear cool on an image board to peoppe you dont know instead of using one that you like and is productive

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packlets cant handle my girth

>she
GIRLS ARE TOO DUMB TO COMPUTER STOP THIS MADNESS.

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>i am a low package count neet subhuman who only needs software for ricing

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girls who dress like boys make the best hackers

Yikes!

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$ dpkg -l | wc -l
2401

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Teach me your ways.

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He hangs out in every friendly minimimalism thread ever on Jow Forums obsessing over package count, and has no idea how many unused running services are on his computer, ever bothered to research which ones do what, how to list them or turn them on or off.

what about boys that dress like girls?

>having more free stuff is bad

Fuck I'm so glad I switched back to Windows, so much autismic bullshit in Linux.

oof, pls lurk 2 years before posting

programmers of course