Is there an acceptable way to serve relevant ads to people based upon analysis of their data?
I was thinking it would at least: >have to be opt-in >your data would have to be stored encrypted locally on your machine and anonymized when sent to whatever server to be analyzed >you should have full control over what data can be stored about you >open source
I don't think I've ever acted on an ad, but ads could still be useful, right? Perhaps you could even request ads based upon what you're looking for?
Yeah, but isn't it based on Chromium and therefore a botnet?
Cameron Hughes
No it doesn't. >What does it mean that a user can opt into receiving ads? >Brave blocks ads and trackers by default. We will soon release the ability for users to opt into receiving some ads. We will offer this option as another way — beyond Brave Payments — that users can support publishers. When they do appear, there will be fewer but higher quality ads. Rest assured, that even if you opt into receiving these ads, trackers will still be blocked and your privacy will still be protected. We will provide more detail around this feature when it is ready. Nothing about your data being stored locally or having control over what data can be stored about you.
Liam Martin
>nothing about You didn't reach the part where they explain that ad preferences are offline. Keep reading.
Jordan Adams
Firefox is also a botnet, despite being a much better engine. Brave will actually be more anonymous by default than Firefox, once brave hits 1.0
Asher Bennett
Seems they left it out of the FAQ, which I was reading.
Noah Green
Go away if you're going to post wojaks.
Jeremiah Howard
>Firefox is also a botnet wat
Andrew Flores
I've thought about this. If I ran a site that was funded by ads, I would do it in a very web 1.0 way.
- No sounds - No irritating animations - No interactivity outside of being a hyperlink - First sign of being used to distribute malware, and you're blacklisted - Ad may be minimized - Report feature that users can use to tattle on advertisers - Ads are proxied through my server
The problem would likely be finding companies who would agree to such terms.
Nah fuck ads. I'm always going to block them because I simply don't want to see them. Not even that Brave shit where you get money for not blocking ads is good enough for me.
If you opt for actually sending data, then it's fully anonymized and encrypted before being sent out, which is what OP wanted. You don't have control over what data is stored other than being able to delete all of it, but the project is open source and this can be modified in future.
Luis Cruz
If I could stop getting annoying ads that I don't want to see maybe I wouldn't be using adblocker all the time
Elijah Reed
>then it's fully anonymized and encrypted before being sent out That's what they always say before finding out it wasn't encrypted or some weak MD5 shit.
David Anderson
More to the point I don't think its possible to credibly promise advertising that is privacy respecting and/or not annoying.
Think back a moment about the history of advertising on the internet. First we had e-mail spam. Then we had flashing, animated banner ads. Then we had pop-ups. Then we had pop-ups that spawned more pop-ups when you tried to close them, or otherwise tried to interfere with you dismissing the ad. Then we had flash ads that played sound and video. Then we had "native advertising", which is really just saying "Geez, 'paid shill' is such a negative-sounding term, can't we call it something else...?" The whole goal of advertising is to distract you. Everyone involved in advertising wants you to stop paying attention to what you're doing and look at their ad. There is no way to make this acceptable or not irritating.
Okay now think about the history of advertising from a privacy standpoint instead of a being obnoxious standpoint. First we had email spam where the unsubscribe link didn't work, but marked your address as live. Then we had tracking cookies. Then we had supercookies and Flash cookies and LSOs, meant to do the same thing but to be harder to remove. We've had web bugs. We've had ISPs logging DNS queries and inserting tracking headers into unencrypted traffic so they could sell the results. We've had years and years of browser fingerprinting, including ingenious and devious shit like canvas fingerprinting. We've had ad companies literally get shit into Web standards that's only for advertising that browsers have to support, like the intersection observer API. Again, all privacy-invasive, and all exactly what everyone in the ad industry has every incentive to do. The ad space is worth more the more they know about you.
Advertisers have poisoned this well a dozen times. Internet ads are and will always be obnoxious and privacy-invading. The only solution is to not have them, and to destroy advertising's viability as a business model.
Christopher Sanders
The only data you need to analyse is the fact that I am visiting your site. Stick a box at the bottom of the page with related goods or services and stop pretending that you're 'targeting' me when you're really just tracking clickthroughs.
Aaron Cox
Very well said. >The only solution is to not have them, and to destroy advertising's viability as a business model. I'm happy to say this is already happening. It feels like the whole ad business has been on the edge of a crisis for years now. Look at the retarded arms race they're in with people who use ad blockers. It makes the whole sitation look volatile as fuck, even at the point we're at where not that many people block ads compared to the amount of people that would if they knew they could.
Easton Johnson
No. If someone wants something, they would look for it. Ads are a waste of everyone's time.
Michael Bell
>stop pretending that you're 'targeting' me when you're really just tracking clickthroughs But they are targeting you. They buy a small amount of ad spots on a high traffic website to drop a tracking cookie on you, then they get a huge amount of cheap spots on numerous other shit sites and show their ads to you when you turn up.
Kevin Bennett
Ads should be text only and you as a user should be allowed to select what portion of screen real-estate those ads take-up. 5%, 10% and so on.
Michael Robinson
I would suggest lowering the price per ad, then allow anyone interested to submit their own advertisement to your throw away email. Make sure you verify it using a throw away craptop with JS disabled, then decide if the ad would suit your webpage's audience.
Austin Price
inb4 NO AIDS
Luis Richardson
Micropayments >>>>>> ads.
Asher Fisher
>- First sign of being used to distribute malware, and you're blacklisted That would not even be a possibility if you limited the ads to strictly image files or predefined HTML templates.
Ryan Gray
If ads were text only, or limited to small static images, I wouldn't mind them so much.
Xavier Taylor
>There is no way to make this acceptable or not irritating. I don't think that's completely true. If I am outside looking to buy a coffee, I want the coffee shop signs to be there. Similarly, if I am searching the web for "cheap vps with ipv6", I won't mind paid results for VPS providers that support IPv6. I might even click on them. What I don't want is Dragon Dildo ads when I search for "used thinkpad buying guide" despite them being topically related.
Jaxson Lopez
>Doing Wrong Right end yourself
Camden Davis
no, there isn't.
Wyatt Russell
>>have to be opt-in nigger who is voluntarily going to opt into being ad-raped?
Adam Perez
If an ad was relevant, that is, it shows a product I want but haven't been able to find yet or didn't know about, then I wouldn't mind it. That's never happened. But if you can make it happen, then such ads would be okay.
Jaxson White
>I want the coffee shop signs to be there They are already there in your favorite search engine.
There isn't. You're not gonna use my bandwidth with ads. I don't wanna see them in any occasion whatsoever. If I want to buy something, I'll look for it.
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Nathaniel Moore
>Is there an acceptable way to serve relevant ads if your website is a tech site, offer them tech related stuff. the most specialized the topic, the more obvious the ads should be IMO. if your website is a news site, then offer ads relative to the news articles you publish.
>based upon analysis of their data? how about you do some effort and think about the kind of advertisement you want to publish, instead of having an automated system do for you, a system that can even be gamed to install malware on the systems used by your target audience?
Wyatt Davis
I just realized... why don't we have an HTML tag that will disable plugins (flash/java/etc.), JS and audio (and perhaps video) in all its child nodes (even iframes)? that way, we could have mostly secure, non invasive ads.
