Selling mechanical drives nowadays should be considered a crime

Selling mechanical drives nowadays should be considered a crime.

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Selling devicea with the best GB/$ is a crime now?

>animetard
>ricebabby
>makes shit thread
Why am I not surprised.

You bought a shitgate. What did you expect? They're still more reliable than SSDs.

Why is it that people still buy mechanical drives in 2018?
How can a piece of equipment that has a lot of moving parts and uses way more metal to produce be cheaper than a smaller plastic encased device that has NO moving parts?
How on earth can mechanical drives be cheaper? we're all just being jewed. I mean really, there's no other explanation! like, how the fuck doesn't a HDD take more steps on the production line, more materials and overall more work from the employees before it ships to the market?
Well, I guess companies will remain on getting away with it as long as people like and exist...

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inb4
>Seagate
Yeah, like WD is much better.

By the way, it's been a month and a half since I submitted this 4TB Red for RMA. Got a shitty refurb back that lasted a whole 24 hours before the click-of-death. Was noisy as fuck the whole time too.

Now waiting for almost three weeks and still nothing back from the **SECOND** RMA. Fuck WD with a rake, their warranty is fucking worthless.

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Why do motherboards cost less than CPUs if motherboards have more parts on them and should take longer to build? I think we are being jewed.

>motherboards have more parts on them
They really don't. It just looks like more because you can see them without a microscope.

that's exactly the point. I'm trying to make the poster realize how stupid he is. SSDs have many tiny electronic parts that make them cost so much more than a simple mechanical device

Nice counter argument BUT you forgot that
>the technology used on most sata 3 SSDs already existed for years now
>many cheap consumer laptops are already shipping with 120/240GB SSDs
>companies charge stupidly higher amounts for 520GB/1TB drives compared to their 120/240GB counterparts
Like said, CPUs are way more complex than a motherboard.
We're just being jewed desu there's no other reason.

Yeah man, once I had something break twice too. Unbelievable something could happen TWICE in a ROW!!!

CPU's cost a few cents to assemble, they'd be cheaper if R&D didn't cost millions

Sending out broken GARBAGE with a lower/older serial number to satisfy a warranty is fucking low no matter how you slice it. Stop sucking their dicks for free.

>Why is it that people still buy mechanical drives in 2018?
Because Newegg will sell me refurb HGST 3TB spinning-disk drives for sixty bucks. $20/TB. An SSD would be literally ten times the price.

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>refurb
>trusting your data with someone else's problem

I could literally buy four drives and have a RAID 1 array (possibly on an advanced filesystem to detect and fix bit rot) to keep my data on, and then ANOTHER RAID 1 array to keep a backup on. I could have three out of four of the drives die before I lost any data. And it'd still be less than half the price per unit capacity than an SSD.

>not liking anime

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There are yield issues with the high density chips and there's only a few fabs that can even mint high density flash at market scale. HDDs are such ancient technology that WD/Seagate can crap them out like it's free.

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>hundreds of billions of sectors on modern large capacity hard drives
>giving a shit about a small number
>get the fuck out

Now pay attention:

Don't trust S.M.A.R.T. status. Ever.

Been using this drive for a long time, the number of "bad" sectors hasn't changed. None of the tools used to check the drive say it has bad sectors, just the S.M.A.R.T. status claims it.

Hitachi DFT = no bad sectors
Victoria = no bad sectors
MHDD = no bad sectors
Western Digital Drive Test = no bad sectors
HDDRegenerator = no bad sectors
SpinRite = no bad sectors

Fuck S.M.A.R.T.

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Let's talk about difference between the manufacturing process.
Mechanical uses, as you say, multiple parts and metal. Solid state isn't made of plastic exactly - it's actually (mostly) semi-conductive material. You can look it up, if you like.
To make a mechanical hard drive, you build each part individually, than assemble them into a finished product. This is a process we've been doing for ages - the infrastructure has been there for decades, and is relatively cheap to do. The only hard part is the storage media itself (the magnetic disks), which isn't even that bad.
Solid state, on the other hand, uses a lot of expensive chemicals that need extreme precision during the entire manufacturing process. The larger the storage space, the more occasions for something to go wrong, and unlike mechanical, you can't just replace the offending part(s) if it does happen.

Solid state is just more complicated on every level but the consumer's. This drives the price up.

If they have been replaced the bad sectors shouldn't be found anymore, or am I wrong?

It'll still be logged and show up in SMART.

Because the drive used up some of its reserve sectors. And maybe something is wrong with the disk if it had to use these sectors.

Show me a 8TB SSD under $200.
Until then, HDDs are fine.

>solid state isn't made of plastic exactly
O really? you mean the insides aren't plastic as well?? woaaah amazing!
ffs user I meant the casing.

You're the retard that doesn't understand how semiconductor manufacturing works

who THE FUCK cares about semiconductor manufacturing? the pricing is retarded anyways.

You're not grasping the straw, son. The drive has never had any bad sectors on it: MHDD works on the LBA level of the drive when doing a surface scan, if it detects a sector in place that has been remapped by the drive controller it will mark the sector as remapped. I've run 10+ scans over the past 2 years with MHDD on this drive, just like scanning it with Hitachi DFT and SpinRite.

The surface of the platters of this drive are defect free, it doesn't have bad sectors, it never had bad sectors, the problem is the defect is with S.M.A.R.T. and it can never ever be trusted.

>who THE FUCK cares about semiconductor manufacturing?
the people who make this shit.
>the pricing is retarded anyways.
you just don't understand economics

>I don't know or care how it works, but I know it's too expensive!

I see... I'll just see myself out, then.

u guys b bullying me and i'm trying to LEARN but no ONE careas

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Still the best for storage.
Use an SSD for everyday stuff and an HDD for storing all the crap you hoard.

>$430-$500 for 2TB SSD
>$50-$80 for 2TB HDD
lel no

I'm afraid of torrenting on SSDs

really Crystal dev dont know about Theme pickers? He dont need make four editions of the same app

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If we are going to follow your reasoning CPUs would cost around $5 since it's just a bunch of sand and metal

Didn't even read this one. I know you're trolling. Also, the only reason why I replied to you was because I didn't want that an user believes that his drive is OK when a surface tests find no error but SMART data says that some sectors have been replaced by reserve sectors.
t. the guy you replied to

I have a 1.5 TB Seagate that got a bunch of reallocated sectors around year 3 of use. I panic bought a new 3TB drive and transferred everything important off and just left it as a place for installed games. After a year of the count not changing I tossed it in raid 1 with an equal partition of the new disk and have been using it like that for, idk, 3 years? The fucker won't die.

shitty read/write speeds and access times are ok for storing data you use rarely or gaymen that load fast.

>WD Green bought during Taiwanese flood
Still alive to this day and not showing any signs of age.

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Glorious. Autists give HDDs too hard a time. As bulk stores they're cheap and reliable.

t. NAND cartel chink

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That's my experience with a 14-year old Seagate 160GB I still use as a temp drive. It suddenly developed 4 bad sectors, then absolutely nothing for the better part of a decade, and now it sits comfortably at 11 bad sectors with almost 79000 hours. Active every day keeping browser cache files and shit like that. Old Seagate (before Maxtor/Samsung acquisitions) was really good.

Also got an old 750GB WD Black that has perfect stats so far, at ~49600 hours.

Meanwhile my 1TB WD Green, which never got even 1% of the use, is steadily getting worse to the point I just turn it off until I need it (considering an external enclosure), and I've had to RMA a 4TB WD Red after only about 3TB written under normal use (before it crapped out and I started running tests) because pic related .

I think manufacturers just don't give a fuck anymore. And then there's jews like Western Digital, charging double price for the privilege of getting a shitty refurb with a 90-day warranty when a drive eventually fails within their "amazing" 3 and 5-year warranty. The best warranty is the one you don't need, and with HDDs it's a fucking dice roll anyway.

If a $60 Seagate kicks the bucket after two years, I'm only $60 out. If a WD Red kicks it after 3 years, I'm out upward of $100 (almost $200 in my 2015 WD Red's case, so of course I'm pissed off). And even if does fail in warranty I get a piece of shit back that may not work after 90 days anyway. Oh and good luck getting them to transfer warranties from your original purchase to the replacement drives without calling their shit out in time, they like to "forget" to do it.

Again, fuck WD.

>1.5TB
>WD15EVDS (not the infamous EARS)
Probably a two-platter second-generation drive, which is why.

Generally you want to avoid more than 2-platters, the lottery gets poor with 3 and bad with 4+. Helium drives are an improvement, but still risky. Though they are sort of exempt because they're a pain in the ass to fix so manufacturers tend to refurb a lot less of them, so when they do fail you generally get brand new ones.

Which is incidentally part of the reason they're so fucking expensive.

>and with HDDs it's a fucking dice roll anyway.
This. You have to use backups and redundancy anyway since even the best drives can die with no warning. So since I have it I just buy refurb drives and content myself with the fact that I'll probably come out ahead. Might have to replace one or two, but I won't lose anything, and I'll have saved more than the cost of the replacements.

>Why is it that people still buy mechanical drives in 2018?

why is it that retards like you still exist and ask retarded questions?

Data availability comes from multiple devices, user. You cannot trust a single SSD either. RAID that shit.

Because storing 2TB of tranny porn on ssd is expensive user.

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>>WD15EVDS
>Probably a two-platter second-generation drive, which is why.
Have to correct myself (and ). First that is not a Green drive, it's one of their AV-GP drives. Basically identical, including the shitty reputation. Also it is a 3-platter, 6-head drive (the EARS was 2-platter, with both a 4 and 3-heads version). is the perfect example of a lucky roll.

I've had a Toshiba drive on "caution" for a decade now