>5.7" 18:9 touchscreen
>i.MX 8M system on module
>more than 2GB of RAM (probably 4GB-6GB)
>USB C
>128GB internal storage
>hardware kill swtiches for baseband, camera and wifi/bluetooth
>completely free and open source down to the bootloader
>utilitarian ThinkPad-like design
>$599
Is it worth it Jow Forums? Is this finally the GNU/Linux phone we've been waiting for?
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Not worth it, still a tracking device since government has full access to GSM network
Does it have a removable battery and headphone jack?
It's already backdoored
I will desu
forgot the 10 year SoC
>$600
Get galaxy
shit meant to say BIOS, not bootloader. whatever you get the point.
that's why there's physical kill switches, cant be tracked when there's no electricity going to or from the circuit
yes to both
Galaxy doesn't respect my freedoms
>i.MX 8M
This is literally a IoT SoC, a fucking quad core Cortex A53 at 1.5GHz. We don't even use these pieces of shit as LITTLE cores on low ends anymore
Tough call. I intend to buy one after a few months for proper reviews. I really hate the fact they are wasting resources on a gnome based shell for the phone rather than developing upon Plasma Mobile but whatever. I don't mind the lack of CPU power due to I will be using software with minimal resource needs.
>GNU/Linux
>Phone
They will seriously put the bloated gnu apps on there?
Thankfully PostmarketOS will be ported.
4x1.5GHz for $600?
Yes. Might as well get a Moto G and mod the hell out of it.
This. Use a librebooted ThinkPad for all your computing needs, and then have a cheap phone with no personal information on it, or at least nothing you care about. Librem phones are a meme.
i say get it just because there would be no better pen testing device.
im probably gonna get one too, but just because I want to be leet.
A fool and his money are easily parted.
They chose that CPU because it's quite literally the only SoC on the market where the baseband is separate from the rest of the CPU. Had they gone with a Snapdragon, Exynos or a MediaTek SoC they wouldn't be able to shut down the baseband which defeats the whole purpose of the phone. More importantly, the imx8 will be manufactured for at least 5 years more, which means they can keep making the phone without worrying that the manufacturer stops making it in for a while, unlike with other chip makers.
If you're seriously considering going for a regular Android phone because it has a better CPU, then the Librem isn't for you.
Alright, is it going to run android? Or what? What apps can one use on this phone?
Linux. They are dumping a lot of resources into making KDE mobile (or maybe it was gnome mobile) usable.
IIRC one of their stretch goals was android emulation.
Why couldn't they have just slapped an android derivative with the proprietary shit removed and with f Droid pre-installed? Now this thing is gonna fail for the same reason windows phone failed which was no apps.
>66716606
(you)
But... Hardly anything works on that
What will be the retail price? I don't think they'll be able to deliver this for $600
True but for my use case it is perfect.
Why not just improve Ubuntu Touch
Did you make the hardware yourself? No? It's a botnet.
That’s why it includes a cellular killswitch. Literally this exact reason.
I like Ubuntu touch and it will be ported over by the UBports team but KDE Mobile seems to be the best bet. They are fucking stupid for sticking with Gnome.
>wahhh wahhh muh apps...
>buys device
>can't do anything with it because no support
Are you retarded?
You retarded nigger faggot, the whole point of an os IS to run apps, if there are little to no apps available for that os then it's useless.
Nice bait.
kys
Enjoy the botnet bro
WILL STALLMAN USE ONE
You can ask him
I doubt it. You're prob one of those vape fags.
MAYBE IF HE GETS ONE FREE AS IN BEER
COULD YOU IMAGINE THE TENS OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD FLOCK TO THIS WITH A STALLMAN ENDORSEMENT
THE AGE OF RMS SHILLING IS UPON US
Sure thing zoomer
they're going with Gnome because making gtk apps mobile friendly only takes extending one class or something like that. That way you can use pretty much any gtk app that already exists. If you already use Android without GApps this shouldn't be much different. I mean most apps are just websites in an app form anyway. If you're a dumb normie using a lot of bullshit apps then this phone isn't aimed at you in the first place, it's for people who actually want a computer in their pocket
that last part was meant for
Already preordered it couple monts ago.
I am not really using mobile phone anyway, but i am voting with my wallet for muh freedoms and i want purism to succed.
So this is actually a thing?
I thought that the project was killed by the founder
>Kill switches for wifi, bt and cellular signal
>Software that does barely anything
>$600
Why not just buy a phone from 2010 with a removable battery? If you want to be untraceable individual kill switches don't make sense, you turn off wifi, but still use wireless signal and vice versa.
>I can turn both of them off.
And you'd be using a calculator at this point.
>And you'd be using a calculator at this point.
A PC. A very small and convenient to use PC that can be turned into a smartphone by a flip of a switch.
Not to mention, proper Linux OS and backdoor-less hardware.
This is the only reason I'm even considering it. The only problem is the lackluster CPU and their focus on g(memoryleak)nome shell. I would rather get an x86 phone at that point so that I can still play my japanese porn games on the go.
>their focus on g(memoryleak)nome shell
Yeah, the other fact that it uses GNU and GNOME chilled me the fuck out to it.
>but i am voting with my wallet for muh freedoms and i want purism to succed.
I share the sentiment, but I refuse to preorder any product, from anyone. Preorders create bad incentives, and I consider it my right to demand that the product be built in its final form before I commit any money, so that I can read reviews and know what I'm getting and so on.
Get a doogee bl9000 for a quarter of the cost
But it's underpowered.
Underpowered compared to what?
I know for a fact that you can run Linux on a shitty Asus tf300t without any problems. Don't think the CPU is going to be a huge issue unless you want to compile Gentoo on it.
I forgot it was a different cpu from the ones in phones, nvm
Can I play muh mobage on it also what is the state of KDE mobile
>completely free and open source down to the bootloader
Requires a proprietary baseband controller for the SIM card.
Also they said it's going to require a proprietary SOC co-processor to initialize the ram hardware which will be running 24/7.
Purism said it's still "foss" because the co-proccessor won't be touching the kernel or userspace and merely for hardware. :^)
That means the co-processor and radio baseband need to be firewalled and in containers to seperate them.
The co-processor will also need to be isolated in hardware and probably baked into the main processor in a bitLITTLE config.
That's going to cost more battery to run two processors and a seperate isolated baseband.
I understand it's a step up from modern cellphones and it even hilights the requriement since we need a fucking co-processor in the first place but just don't lie and say it's FOSS from top to bottom it's a fucking lie.
It's not wasted resources because gnome had the touchscreen support and tablet features from ubuntu touch already.
Plus the GTK framework and libraries have incredible ARM support from ARMv5 to ARM64.
If they had taken the KDE route it would of been wasted resources to remake the wheel.
>activates killswitch
>phone/data stops working
So then you have a device with no apps and no data, sounds like a $600 paperweight. Just get a cheap burner phone and don't keep personal data on it.
>If they had taken the KDE route it would of been wasted resources to remake the wheel.
Not really, considering plasma phone is a thing.
>plasma phone
*plasma mobile
The only smartphone worth buying.
It will run PureOS (GNU), will be able to run KDE Mobile, SailfishOS, Android and possibly windows mobile. Also any Linux which supports arm.
Are you retarded? WiFi still works and so does everything else.
I'm using a RK3399 as a daily driver
A53 quad core and A72 dual
The thing is, since the A72 is susceptible to Meltdown/Spectre
I taskset 0x0F to switch off the A72 duals for web browsing
It's perfectly acceptable speed even with no GPU drivers
And it's not like I'm poor
I've got a quad core x86 with NVidia 970 GPU that I haven't touched for months
It runs too hot
And then there's non-freedom binary blob firmwares
Rockchips doesn't have baseband either
but iMX has freedom GPU drivers
I'll probably get one of these and make it my daily driver
But I'm not preordering
Subject to change: CPU, RAM, Screen size/resolution...
some pretty big stuff
I'll wait to see the finished product
If it turns out really terrible, maybe I get a SiFive board instead
Those are fully free too
And 8GBs of RAM
28nm is probably good enough
No gpu is probably fine with me
Plus I can get famous by porting something big to it
Like OpenJDK or something
>a Wi-Fi phone
>leaves home
>no phone
t-thanks user
>Subject to change: CPU, RAM, Screen size/resolution...
I don't think he CPU is subject to change anymore. That was from back when they didn't know if they would be able to support i.MX8. The devkit is shipping with:
> i.MX 8M system on module (SOM)
> including at least 2GB LPDDR4 RAM and 16GB eMMC storage
> 5.7 LCD touchscreen, 720×1440 resolution
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Final phone "will have greater RAM and storage", but who knows if it will be > 8 GiB.
Personally, I care more about having a trustworthy phone than it being a great compute item.
>leaves home
What did (s)he mean by this?
Should be:
>toggles killswitch
>leaves home
>can't call anyone
>"oh no, why can't I call or text anyone when I cut power to the cell modem?"
>"what could I possibly do to fix this?"
Well, what about an SD card slot? Is the camera any good?
It will have microsd. not sure about the camera
Cities and public transports have open WiFi everywhere. You can bring a portable router.
>a tracking device of any kind
>respect freedoms
This. RMS is absolutely right in that all cellular devices are tracking/eavesdropping machines. Librem phones are a meme at best and vaporware at worst. You cannot have a secure cellular device that respects your freedom. You're better off getting a librebooted ThinkPad tablet for a fraction of the cost.
except the baseband processor is already a sepearate processor, it just isn't sandboxed from the main cpu
ThinkPad is a laptop, laptops are mobile devices, therefore by your logic ThinkPads are also botnet. What's worse ThinkPads don't use open source defaults, unlike Librem 5. Making Librem 5 better than ThinkPads, so your argument is shit.
Holy shit you're retarded. Thinkpads don't have a cellular broadband chip unless you physically add one. A librebooted ThinkPad is 100% libre and can do exactly what the librem phone can do over Wi-Fi at a quarter the price. Fuck off and enjoy your $600 phone, which like your gf, is imaginary.
>Fuck off and enjoy your $600 phone, which like your gf, is imaginary.
rekt
he didn't just say any thinkpad, but librebooted thinkpads, can you not even read a basic comment?
>librebooted ThinkPad is 100% libre
wrong
look up embedded controller
>a circuit that controls fan speed
Even RMS doesn't have a problem with it and uses an X60. Fuck off with your shitty arguments.
>circuit
it runs software
>controls fan speed
and the keyboard, battery charging, and the leds at least
lmao you're going to complain about an EC while you walk around with a cellular tracking device in your pocket..
It's not software, it's a tiny piece off non-modifiable firmware. It's like whining about the firmware on your microwave that runs the touchpad and timer. JFC you are dumb as a bag of rocks.
>non-modifiable
wrong again
You're the idiot who is wrong here. The 10 year old EC in a thinkpad is in no way a threat to freedom. But the giant cellular baseband that exists in the Librem most certainly is. If you have any other shitty, low-IQ comments I'd be glad to hear them and tell you why they are dumb.
You can turn off the modem in the librem. You can't turn off the nonfree EC in the thinkpad. ECs can be flashed and have the ability to interact with most of the system. The modem in the librem 5 is sandboxed and can't speak outside of the cell towers
Please link to a source or security demonstration where the EC on a librebooted thinkpad caused a vulnerability or exploit. I'll wait.
imaging being this cucked to proprietary software
A controller is neither free nor nonfree. And that is how RMS put it. You can't run software on a fucking EC. It can literally only interact with circuits in the fan/battery/keyboard.
Nice argument, I'll take that as you could not find evidence to back up any of the shit you're spewing here.
Again, enjoy your $600 paperweight that will be full of security holes and has tons of proprietary software to run the baseband which will still be tracking you even when the "killswitch" is enabled.
Stallman doesn't use AMD GPUs because they have nonfree firmware. You're posting mental gymnastics bullshit to defend the nonfree software in the EC
>baseband which will still be tracking you even when the "killswitch" is enabled
it will be connected over USB and the power to it can simply be cut altogether
You can physically remove that from Librem, and there's a killswitch. You should kill yourself.
Proprietary hardware, vulnerable CPU. It has the same issues as Librem 5 just worse and significantly less portable and power efficient.
Holy shit you're dense. You know nothing of Stallman. If there was a problem with the EC of a ThinkPad he would NOT be using it, period. An AMD GPU is in no way the same thing as an EC firmware on a 10 year old ThinkPad. Trying to make that comparison shows how disconnected you are from reality and how you're simply grasping at straw. I'm not defending nonfree software because there is none on a librebooted ThinkPad. An EC firmware literally runs the fan and battery, that's it. Your imaginary librem phone, if it ever gets off the ground, will be compromised by the baseband as soon as you connect it to a tower.
>still screeching "muh baseband" despite the killswitch
>sreeching about how software isn't software
Are you seriously a lelnovo shill? The EC can literally control every part in your laptop and it is completely invisible to the BIOS and the OS. It runs software too. Flashable just like the BIOS.
You obviously know nothing about libreboot. You can't flash the EC after librebooting a ThinkPad. It's not a security risk in any way. The EC is firmware, which is distinct from software. Please educate yourself if you can't see the difference between these two basic concepts. I would much rather have an EC in a ThinkPad than a baseband (with muh killswitch) in a "phone."
>You can't flash the EC after librebooting a ThinkPad.
Just because you can't use the vendor flashing utility doesn't mean you can't flash an EC. Use flashrom
>The EC is firmware, which is distinct from software.
it literally runs a special chipset and a whole embedded OS dedicated for handling power management, charging, WiFi, keyboards, etc.
>it literally runs a special chipset and a whole embedded OS dedicated for handling power management, charging, WiFi, keyboards, etc.
On an old thinkpad it's literally a few kb of firmware. Stop making it out to be bigger than it is. You've failed to demonstrate how an EC could be a security risk.
So you're defending proprietary software "because it's only a few kb"? lol
Looks sexy, how much does it cost?
A small piece of firmware, not software, that regulates the fan and battery is not a threat to freedom. A baseband processor most certainly is. Enjoy being cucked by your $600 brick.
Going back to screeching about the baseband because you ran out of arguments, huh? Disable it and desolder it if you are so paranoid. But obviously you aren't because you use a proprietary EC running unknown software.
>m-muh killswitch
Being this cucked by a proprietary device. And again, you failed to demonstrate how an EC could risk security or freedom. Are you going to audit the firmware in your microwave?