It is 2018, why is internet still so cucked when it comes to images? JPEG sucks,
> why aren't there AVIF images used on internet and on image boards? all browsers support it! caniuse.com/#search=av1 > how come there's no documentation on how to compress to AVIF image file? AOMedia's reference encoder called 'aomenc' and ffmpeg only seem to allow you to encode videos and not still image. > you can't easily create AVIF image files, however if you had them you could easily render them as there is wide support, wtf! > HEIF, while it seems to be widely supported on iOS 11 and macOS 10.13, Photoshop, and GIMP, there's no support in any modern web browser nor there is any plans, wtf! you can easily create HEIF images, however you can't render them on the webs, wtf! > WebP is dead. WebP doesn't compress well. It's twice the size of HEVC. Its code is based on legacy VP8. Even iOS 10 and macOS Sierra removed WebP support early on. No support in Firefox, only Chrome.
currently FLIF is the only option to replace all images on web, since they can be on the fly created with javascript. Until something is fully supported (which will hopefully be av1) nothing will replace jpeg or png
It's still just a DRAFT, the standard isn't finished yet, no one will adopt something that can change and be incompatible with the final spec
Josiah Moore
> It is 2018, why is internet still so cucked when it comes to images? JPEG sucks, There have been better image formats than jpg for decades. They just never got adopted.
AV1 was not finalised as a format till june (although they lied it was back in like march), so don't be surprised it can't be realistically used
Cooper Jones
I love FLIF's loss option. flif.info/lossy.html Imagine if you could edit JPEGs without losing quality every time.
Adrian Walker
>reverting my mozjpegs What?
Adrian Adams
yea, too bad jpeg was invented before god was
Jordan Johnson
OH LOOK ITS THE AV1 THREAD
>S O O N (TM) IE NEVER EVER
LMAO
Joshua Thomas
>tfw JPEG2000 looked subjectively worse I am glad it didn't get adopted.
Adrian Foster
> why aren't there AVIF images used on internet and on image boards? I wouldn't mind this either, but your very linkage shows a whole lot of browsers don't support it...
>he Q&A section of the Velos Media pool steadfastly refuses to clarify the pool’s intent, instead stating, “As it relates to content, we will take our time to fully understand the dynamics of the ecosystem and ensure that our model best supports the advancement and adoption of HEVC technology.”
>HEVC is more than 5 years old, and royalties have been a well-publicized hindrance since the start. It seems clear that if the Velos pool didn’t intend to charge content-related royalties, it would have disclosed this. Since they haven’t, many producers presume that the pool will impose content royalties. This, plus the many HEVC IP owners not yet in a pool who have also not stated their intentions regarding content royalties, has been a significant concern for many potential users.
HEVC is still dead on arrival
Elijah Foster
This is the new "Java is slow".
Julian Hall
>why is internet still so cucked when it comes to images? Because no one fucking cares about a little bit of compression.
Adrian Reyes
>tfw studied under a Professor that is a key player in HEVC >he was always super enthusiastic about it >tfw it will completely bomb
HEVC HARDWARE DECODE IS BUILT INTO MILLIONS OF DEPLOYED DEVICES FOR YEARS AND YEARS
AV1 IS NOWHERE NEAR GETTING AN INSTALLED USERBASE, IT'LL STILL BE SOOOON IN 2020 FOR AV1
Asher Richardson
The outcome was obvious from the beginning. Always side with the capitalists.
Luke Clark
>HEVC HARDWARE DECODE IS BUILT INTO MILLIONS OF DEPLOYED DEVICES FOR YEARS AND YEARS Which profiles? HEVC is like a million little pieces, you have to buy each one separately. No one buys them all.
Jordan Edwards
Are there even non-experimental encoders yet?
Isaac Bailey
The reference codebase isn't experimental anymore. Other than that, no-- there are at least three funded groups in active development tho.
Christian Peterson
[and by funded groups, I'm talking about relatively transparent development. Of course just about every media company out there with some codec footprint is actively developing as well, and has been for about two years.]
Anthony Wilson
>AVIF Bad acronym, too close to .avi and gives a "whiff".
JPEG doesn't suck; it's supported by literally everything. just like MP3 doesn't suck just because Opus exists. though it would be good to transition away from anything proprietary/royalty/patented, there need to be not only clear quality/filesize/performance improvements, but a strong push for these formats from key players in the industry. the fact iOS, macOS and Photoshop supports it is a very good thing, but it's still not enough.
you are fucking blind. if those AV1 and JPEG are the same size, it's a massive improvement. sure, the grain isn't there, but look at how smooth the dark area is and how sharp the edges are.
it's a neat idea though i can't think of why that would be an issue worth adopting a new format for. most people who actually give a fuck about loss of quality use RAW or PNG. if such a feature can be included in AV1, then i'm sure nobody would object to it.
Leo Campbell
Daala's supposedly already the best dealing with still images. Perhaps it'd make sense to use it that way, while using it for video still needs serious work.
Logan White
MAIN AND INCREASINGLY MAIN10, ABSOLUTELY MILLIONS OF DEVICES
SEE YOU IN 2025 AV1 LMAO
John Kelly
>why aren't there AVIF images used on internet and on image boards? all browsers support it! >literally not one fucking browser supports it BY DEFAULT, you have to manually enable it in Firefox and Chrome
OP how do you remember to breathe every day?
Gabriel Cox
nigga what, AV1 isn't a container
Zachary Smith
>MAIN AND INCREASINGLY MAIN10 OK >ABSOLUTELY MILLIONS OF DEVICES Only millions? So, like, 1 out of every 1000 devices?
>look at how smooth the dark area is and how sharp the edges are It's an improvement on average, but the loss of color in pic related sucks. It looks so clean that it's misleading: you don't think there is a lot missing.
The JPEG version actually makes the blue shades stand out more than they do in the original.
Leo Robinson
High-res photos.
Grayson Taylor
This. FLIF is magical.
Jeremiah Edwards
Thanks for the link, but >rav1e is an experimental AV1 video encoder
Jacob Bell
I should have explained my link. It is experimental, but at the moment I think it's the most practical encoder. Still slow (single-digit FPS), but usable.
Isaiah Roberts
As far as MP3 goes, the patent lapsed not too long ago and now it's public domain.
png provides great compression for pics with lots of pixel of exact same color. Not so much with gradients. >1bit can be used for color value of all pixels that same color.
