Ywn understand programming

For me, those parts of the book are my favorite, because it's before things get very complicated.

It takes time, practice and will but with a bit self discipline, you can learn it too. I never thought I would understand anything but I just finished my first year of university and I'm amazed how much I learned about programming, mathematics etc etc.

I sometimes think about going to college, but I worry that my issues self-learning as a NEET would just carry over, plus I'd be putting myself into debt at the same time.

>tfw can make spaghetti that does what I want it to most of the time but still don't know how to program

Just skip to the programming parts if you don't care about the background crap

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My tution fee is only 150 bucks per semester so I can understand that you're worried about it. I had big problems with self discipline and was just lazying around for 3 years doing jobs here and there before going to uni.

You should give it a try, when you're in a new environment your bad habits can go away (at least that's what happened to me). Don't give up on yourself easily

At least you're aware of it, whats stopping you from learning how to not make spaghetti code?

youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

Mostly just that I'm lazy as fuck.

>there are people on this board that unironically watch cartoons for adults every single day and they're all way smarter than me

Writing those textwalls is harder than coding .

Programming is easy once you get the fundamentals down.

>lmao bro its easy

is this the Jow Forums equivalent of "be yourself" ?

Yes, and it's far more infuriating.

Do yank schools not teach programming or something? I was taught HTML shit at 14 and the final two years of highschool (16-17) had a proper programming class, all VB and SQL. From there I decided Software Engineering was the best career option open and suited to me so I went and did that at uni. Programming might be hard but its not hard to learn if they can teach teenagers to do it. Just sign up to a course instead of bitching and moaning about how hard something you've never put any real effort into is.

I had something of a programming class in high school (+extra semester as a quasi-collage for tech) but it doesn't stick right.
I can solve problems exactly the way someone shows me how to, and probably improve on it a little (not in programming, general things) but when you tell me to make something new I'm just lost.
The starting line is just way too fucking wide, i run into this sort of problem when someone asks me to tell them about myself, i have to pry specific questions out of the asker.

You learn woodworking to build a chair.
You learn spanish to buy groceries in Argentina.
You learn read a map before a hike.
If you're procrastinating learning to program it's because you probably have no actual reason to learn besides some feeling of social obligation.
Without a project or a means to an end you're dead in the water. Unless you're actually autistic just learning programming to learn isn't going to work.

>learn to program since 16 yo
>be good at c++, almost pro level at 21
>apply for some entry level internship at big company
>some bitch from my uni got through the recrutation; problem is she picked up cpp about 3 months before because of uni course
>can't even write monkey shit with it, doesn't know linux
>tfw
>fuck this gay earth

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Yeah this. The uni side projects is where I learned 90% of my programming skills at. All it took was lots of patience. Literally have 200+ stackoverflow questions posted to my account. Some days I would post up to 3-4 questions and actually get to the bottom of it after going back and forth for a few hours with some guys. Sometimes indians helping me at 11 pm. But boy did I fucking learn everything about C#/Azure just fucking around trying to get shit to work

Programming is easy y'all are just brainlets

chad programmers pls go

It's difficult, complex, time consuming and programming sucks anyway

Finished my first project yesterday lads. When I started nothing was going right and none of it made sense. I gave up and went to bed but when I woke up everything just clicked I guess

not everyone is a tony stark like you

Lol what school actually teaches a proprietary language like C#? And Azure? LARP for sure

Too bad making a few loops and basic variables doesn't result in usable software

I think most programming is boring as shit. Embedded is cool and I like writing dynamics simulations for work, but if I had to do the pajeet tier shit most of Jow Forums talks about doing I would kill myself.

>hello world

call next() on them or goto some other page

>just write a bunch of shit and run it lmaoooo

There’s research about how telling children “youre smart” actually makes them very fragile and is detrimental to their development

Parents only gave me praise when I really deserved it. I adopted a "never know enough" mentality because of it

I hate how a a fair few pages are talking about what you be learning, then the start of each chapter explains what you will be learning, JUST FUCKING GET ON WITH IT

>interesting in learning to program
>no ideas for projects
I understand the basics well enough, I think, but I honestly don't know what I'd ever do with that knowledge.

C only has 32 keywords and you don't even need all of them, there's no excuse, faggot.

Holy shit guys, when i started to get into programming a few years ago I didn't even knew what the fuck IDE is. I was fucking brainlet in programming. I watched tutorials, gave up many times, tought it's not for me. But after all these years I'm still grasping to create something. I collected some knowledge, not much but still enough for do some stuff. Started to look at programming not as a syntax learning but how to use language to make computer do what you want.

Guess you didn't even read what i wrote

Long story short - dont rush learning everything in one day and code stuff even you're degenerated brainlet. You'll get better soon. Or you're fucking lazy fuck who all he can do is cry about how lazy he is and how everybody tells him he's smart.

Hmm maybe make something that would make your everyday life easier?

I don't understand how to you go from knowledge to actually making something
Why did I have to brainlet at useful things?
Only thing I'm good at is history and that's mostly useless especially since no one wants to learn from and we repeat the same mistakes over and over

>thousands upon thousands different syntaxes
You don't need to know every language :^)

>Lol what school actually teaches a proprietary language like C#
C# isn't anymore proprietary than Java. Even the reference implementation is open source now.

Programming is like anything, you’re not going to master it overnight. If you keep at it you will become as reasonably proficient in it as the average person who’s a programmer. Yeah, you probably won’t be a savant at it but you could earn a very nice living from it. Just think of all the morons that Google has hired to horribly put in horrible ideas.

>I don't understand how to you go from knowledge to actually making something
application and practise
have a real-world problem you need to solve and actually try to solve and figure out how it's done
this is only a problem if you have no inspiration to make anything

I could always find some project, that would be semi useful but In don't want to simply practice programming anymore. I want to start some side projects that can make a bit of money.

wordsandbuttons.online/learn_you_a_lisp_in_0_minutes.html

>tried to learn coding a few years ago
>hit the Jow Forumsentoomen library
>pick some random ass pdf
>"first you need to have an idea what program you want to make"
>i have no idea
>drop it

Maybe I should at least learn a scripting language to automatize my shit.

You will need 1000 hours and dedication
Programming is not for everyone
If you are a brainlet then its best if you stick to making pretty pictures on your macslave pro while the big boys write automation scripts and build deep learning ai

Personally, I like to think that programming is like a language. It's easy to build a vocabulary and understand basic grammar, but the main point is experience and becoming fluid. A novice language learner may be able to decipher the letters and (de-)construct a sentence, but it's going to take an inordinate amount of time to do so whilst a proficient speaker can just instantly understand the meaning and form a correct, well constructed response. And with experience, the more complicated grammatical structures become doable. However, it's a long learning process and it requires constant use, learning and immersion. I do not deny that programming on a high level is not achievable for everyone, but I think "fluency" is more important.

It’s almost as if you need to start somewhere. Dumb shit

>tfw I understand programming and OOP but don't understand basic math
should I kill myself?

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If you don't have anything you want to program, why do you want to learn to program

I started this book last year before going back for CS degree. I gave up and dropped my courses. I'm out of options as for knowing what to do with my life, and only need two years for that degree. I'm picking this book up again, time for a second go.

Stop asking me the same question as the book.

>tell computer to do something
>it does it

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I was gonna do this but they want money?? Isn't this a free book?

I can confirm this

wow so you just have to pay attention in school and not be a retard in general
is it so fucking hard you fucking brainlets?

>codeacademy
I don't program and i used codeacademy, you learn jack shit

>don't understand basic math
like how basic?

I've failed pre-calc an embarrassing amount of times

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I understand basic web programming, but the low level stuff is completely beyond me.

Like how do they program drivers and shit.

Are you fucking retarded OP?
Saging this troll thread

Gonna disagree with this specific complaint. I can type very quickly and I spent a great deal of time just chatting with people on IRC, so for me it's much easier to mindlessly type out my thoughts than do something complex like programming.

American here. My school never taught it. I took webdesign as one of my electives in high school, but it was just Dreamweaver: The Class. Computer Applications was similarly just about Microsoft Office. There was no sort of programming course that I knew of. I think if I'd really been itching for it, Robotics Club did some sort of programming for their robots, but I never wanted to join a club.

Yeah, that's probably my issue. I want to just _know_ programming, and then be able to solve my own problems in cases where I'd normally get stuck and be waiting on someone else to work on something. I'd also like to help others on projects I care about, like libreboot. Free software stuff that's just short on people. I've got the time, but not the skills to help out.

I hate how people say programming is hard. Any brainlet can pick it up because it's an exact science with thousands if not millions of libraries that already exist for you to use

On the other hand you have shit like music and drawing- both of which actually require a pretty high level of intellectual creativity to even get pass the basics. I've told this to so many of my programming bros, but I'd trade in all of my programming knowledge for the ability to draw or produce music in a fucking second. Patron flags make thousands of dollars just for drawing fat and fur shit. I'm jealous as fuck

So what does she do at the job? I'm in a similar position where I see people I know who have little to no applicable experience with programming getting hired. Most if not all of them just copied their assignments online

being an exact science doesn't make something not difficult
you need to be fairly intelligent to be a good programmer

terrible fucking motivations honestly
find something you actually want to do instead of something you think you should be doing

I hate joining a community and feeling like one of the useless ones for not being a programmer. I want to change that. I don't care too much about small stuff I could do to learn. Maybe this is a personality defect. I really hope I can learn to program someday.

>I would give up my ability to think logically for the ability to draw furry porn.
This is the most depressing thing I have read on Jow Forums. holy shit

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why would you "join a community" of programmers if you're not a fucking programmer? You're just being a poser. If you aren't learning to program of your own volition it's not what you want to do. Find something you actually want to do.

I'm not joining a community of programmers. I'm using free software. I'm playing games that people make mods for. Programmers are everywhere, they control everything. I don't want to just be a user and consumer that has to wait on them to do anything. It's not like I'm joining directly programming-related channels...

yeah well I can tell you that people who try something out because they want to feel useful and feel like they *are* something instead of an actual intristic interest and motivation are always the dead weights nobody wants to be around who never go anywhere

>I take long breaks and forget the previous knowledge needed to progress. I have started over at least twice because of this

This is completely normal dude you think people at work don't google the shit out of stuff?

>limited to their editor, I'm really more comfortable in vim
Code academy has a vim mode I am pretty sure

>it feels too much like solving a video game puzzle, where I can kind of brute-force it without learning. I progress too fast and none of it sticks

Again, normal.

>no matter how many times I start over at this stuff, I still completely blank if I have to write something from scratch. I can read someone's fizzbuzz in python and explain every line, but if you take it away and tell me to write it, I can't do it at all

Annnnd yet again, normal. You don't HAVE to write stuff from scratch; not even in real life situations. Eventually you will be able to with certain things.

Do you think someone at work who has never even peaked at Go who's teamleader goes 'Oh yea by the way you gotta write ____ in Go today dude' magically just knows how to do it? No. They start googling, looking at other code, and peicing it together using the IDEA of programming, the logic behind it, etc. that is in their brain.

If you can write down in plain english how a program should work (ie: pseudocode) you can write the program.

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I know I mentioned contributing to other projects, but like any normal person, I care about myself above everything else. I want to better myself and learn new skills. I want to be able to do more on my own. Helping others is extra. It's also a sort of demonstration of power.

You can do it, just put in the work.

are you fucking kidding? i skipped that every day and got a B on the final after 1 all-nighter of cramming

yeah and those are all fucking terrible, selfish, shallow motivations which won't lead to you being good at anything and most likely reviled by anyone you have a working relationship with

where the fuck is tuition 150 per semester? the CC near me is fucking 800 IN DISTRICT.

>tfw i'm from a country where they don't really split up math disciplines in high school
>tfw i don't know what the fuck linear algebra is

I've been using linear algebra for a decade and I still don't know what linear algebra is

Read a computer architecture book and learn about Assembly and C.

I tell myself that my uni is harder than most but the truth is I'm a helpless brainlet

find a specific bug that bothers you and learn programming to fix it
become obsessed with needed a certain feature and add it
those are good purpose driven reasons to learn programming

BECAUSE HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO MAKE MONEY BEING A FUCKING RETARD LAZY FUCK WHO WILL DO ANYTHING TO NOT DO MANUAL LABOR?
PROGRAMMING IS THE ONE FUCKING THING I HAVE AND I'M TRYING TO LEARN IT FOR MONTHS NOW BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY WORK I CAN DO WITHOUT SUFFERING JUST LIKE MY DAD DID
MY FATHER GOT FUCKING KILLED IN A CONSTRUCTION ACCIDENT AND I AM IN NO WAY GOING ON ANYTHING THAT INVOLVES THAT FUCKING DEGRADING HUMILLIATING BACK BREAKING WORK JUST ANYTHING BUT PLEASE NOT THAT
I DONT WANT TO DIE LIKE HE DID I DONT WANT TO SUFFER HOW IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND
I DONT CARE IF THE WORK IS BORING BUT PLEASE DONT PUT ME TO DIE LIKE A SLAVE ON THE SUN LIKE THOSE BOOMERS DO I FUCKING HATE IT I FUCKING HATE MYSELF WHY AM I SUCH A HUGE FUCKING BITCH FUCK ALL OF IT
WHY COUDN'T I HAVE JUST BEEN BORN SOME THIRD WORLD SHITHOLE CHILD SLAVE OR SOMETHING AT LEAST I WOULD HAVE PURPOSE BUT NO I HAD TO LIVE IN THIS FIRST WORLD COUNTRY WHERE YOU EITHER DIE BY BREAKING YOUR BODY IN THE SEWER FOR PENNIES BECAUSE IMMIGRANTS KEEP TAKING JOBS OR YOU HAVE TO TAKE BILLIONS OF DEBT ON COLLEGE FOR HARD AS FUCK SHIT THAT WILL LEAVE YOU SOULESS
I JUST WANT TO FUCKING DIE FUCK EVERYTHING WHY DO I EXIST WHY DID I GET BORN A LAZY FUCK
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>it's an exact science with thousands if not millions of libraries that already exist for you to use
That's probably the problem, its way too fucking wide a field and its on par with learning actual communication languages.
I've been studying Japanese and despite knowing a lot of words just from the bulk of anime, making a coherent sentence is still about as far as i can go.
You need to learn and cram a LOT of information before you can put things into actual practice. Its a feedback loop, need to get rich to get high pay certification, need high pay to get rich ordeal but on a smaller scale

the grading scale is harder in that a C in high school is an F in college, but college is also about rising to the occasion and forcing yourself to level up in your studying ability and capacity so to speak

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