/hsg/ - Home server general

Why is HSG ded?

Jow Forums is a slow board

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Wat?

I SAID Jow Forums IS A SLOW BOARD

not enough IT/server nerds on Jow Forums.

what distro is good for /hsg/

Debian. Bare bones install, then add what you need and not one package extra. It is a bit painful in the updating process, need screen access but cannot use sudo, madness.

Ubuntu server is also comfy but tends to drag in more stuff.

You don't need the power described on the RPi box, 5v 1a is enough to run it. It'll just clock down the CPU frequency and perform worse, but most people don't exactly run processor-intensive stuff on Pis in the first place. You can always upgrade the power source later

don't run VM's through freenas, use a proper hypervisor. Freenas is only good for services.

set up a l2 arc cache with your SSD's and get a 10gbe/IB/FC card installed.

home server or not, should be fine assuming it's kept up-to-date and you're not exposing vulnerable services to the internet(old website/mail/sql servers)

yes, you might struggle with GB vpn traffic though.

It's always dead, sometimes done even have a hsg for 5+days

am I fucked trying to connect to a switch/router console if my PC has no analog ports?

not really "home" server but figure you boys are the most likely to know

you need a console cable user. different switches have different ones

you should be able to log into your switch via a management IP address if it's newer than 15 years old.

Just ordered 2000AUD of hardware and shit. How much does your setup cost?

centos if you're learning for a job.

Would you set up a home server on wifi if performance wasn't crucial?

Any feels on the Rock64 media board or the Asus Tinkerboard? Besides obvious USB specs etc....

yeah I know I need a console cable, but I can do analog to analog adapters (so DVI-I to DE9 for example) for that cable right?
but if I don't have any VGA or DVI-I ports I'm up shit creek am I not?

like no fucking way a HDMI to VGA adapter is gonna interpret (or output) analog is the assumption I'm operating under, but just need it clarified
asking cause it's possibly a deciding thing on which MOBO/GPU I'm gonna buy for a new build and cisco forums/google hasn't been the most helpful

$300 ($100 shipping) for 4U Supermicro X8DTL-3F 2x 6-core E5645 2.40ghz 48GB ECC ran 36 Bays

$200 for SAS2-846EL1 replacement.
$60 for LSI 9211-8i
$40 for 16GB SATA DOM(Freenas boot)
$40 for 2x 10Gbe NIC's
$120 for 2x Noctua i4 CPU Coolers
$40 Noctua NF-A4x20 40mm fan for LSI
$20 NETGEAR 5-Port switch

About $820 so far. I still need to populate it around 10x 3TB HDD's to mirror my current storage, which will be $560, and I still need an actual rack which will probably cost $300.

So when everything is done it will have cost $1.6k. Fairly cheap

Lol

Console port is for a terminal session user, you dont get video from it. you connect to it via putty

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>need screen access
What would you recommend if I wanted it to run cli only?

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well I feel silly

to explain my confusion one MOBO has a Com Port Header and VGA Port and the other for some unknown reason does not have a Com Port Header and only HDMI ports

the one with less useful features for me is of course the more expensive one

Also I replaced all the high static stock fans(7x) with 7x $16 quiet ones(900 RPM). However the temp alarms went off so I couldn't use them. SC847 CPU's are passively cooled. When my 2nd HSF arrives tomorrow hopefully the cpu temps won't be an issue anymore, so MAYBE the quiet fans will exhaust enough heat from the HDD's to be stable. I'd be fine if they were in the 40~45C range.

It's a gamble and I hope it works. If not I'll have to buy another 7x fans, probably noctua with higher RPM.

you can get usb>male serial db9 cables that will work with anything with a spare USB port . depending on what switch it is you might need a crossover adapter/cable. for it to work, check your manual for the pin outs

how hot do they run now?

I pretty much torture my drives and just have an extra layer of redundancy and 2 hot spares. normally trade them out after their warranty period anyway.

Why do you need screen access?

I had assumed those things were dodgy after an earlier cisco forum search found half a thread of people saying "mine doesn't work am I doing something wrong" and mentally binned em with the "HDMI to RS232" cable ebay pages you find trying to work this out on your own

good to know otherwise

Well right now with the 7x stock fans set to energy saving mode(3500RPM), they're between 30~33C. However it's too loud since the server is in my room.

I was considering getting a fan controller, but I'm afraid lowering the RPM of those particular fans is going to make the temps shit. Think it'll be better to get quality fans instead. Again, I might be able to get away with using quiet fans if the Notcua heatsinks does a good job of cooling the CPU's.

> just have an extra layer of redundancy
Well I am running stripped mirror zfs, so I can afford to lose some drives, but I'd just feel horrible if my HDD temps were 50C+. This is only a problem in the summer.

is it your CPU's or drives that are giving you temp warnings?

I'd let the cpu's roast, what's taxing them out?

When I used the quiet fans, it was the CPU throwing the alarm since they're passively cooled.Like they literally don't have a fan attached to them. It's just 2 heatsinks sitting right next to each other. Pic-related is a close example.

It happened 3 minutes after a cold boot, so nothing was taxing them.The cpu relies on the 80mm fans to push air over it to cool. Since the fans are located so far away, it needs to be at a high RPM in order to cool efficiently.

Replacing these with dedicated heatsinks should solve the cpu temp problems. Only question is whether or not the HDD temps will be decent with quiet fans. No way to know but trial & error.

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Ahh, it was one of those.

Yeah, dedicated hsf would help keep noise down. or even a small 60mm with a resistor and a rubber band would keep it cool.

You tried undervolting the cpu? Or you able to on your mobo?

I probably can, but I'd rather wait to see how my 2nd Noctua i4 performs. If the CPU temps can remain below 40C I'll be happy.

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Serious question. How can a raspberry pi or similar device be powerful enough to convert video on a Plex server? Or are those who use them only stream on their home network? I can't imagine those devices being powerful enough to convert 1080p content fast enough

It isn't really, but most people don't transcode because there's no point in doing so unless you're not home and your connection is trash.

Because you cannot open a terminal to get root access or even do sudo apt-get update, supposedly in the name of security.

One fan feeds the second with hot air. That cannot be optimal. Why not turn the fans 90 degrees so that both ingest fresh air?

I've finally made the plunge and installed openbsd. It was kind of a hassle though. Installtion stalled many times.

wut?

where are they going to be exhausting at 90 degrees?

This config is better, no turbulence and one will be slightly warmer.

Do I actually need x86 for a 4-6 bay NAS if I only use ftp/smb, 700-900GB syncthing and 200-500 torrents seeding?
No video transcoding, no upnp at all, no webservers, no vpn, maybe some music streaming to phone if the player app is good.

Currently running an old desktop but it's too loud and hot.

does anyone here have any experience running hyper visors / containers ect. on arm? I've got an ich in the back of my head to building a high availability arm cluster

I know. It is stupid. And it is by design.

no.. but often to price of a custom built nas is much higher than one you can build and then aside from upgrading disks you are locked into the hardware and software

>connection is trash.
>tfw 250Mbps down, 10Mbps up

I mean, I generally download blu-ray movies that are 8-15GB in size. But starting to do remuxes much more now. And uploading 4k is definitely not in the picture for me. Even transcoding that is taxing on my i5

I went ahead and pulled a trigger on rock64 to get myself a nice small NAS + PiHole + Mail server.

I cannot wait for it to ship next friday.

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With plex you can generate lower quality versions of your 4k content. Or maybe even encode to it something that your TV can decode like x264

besides shucking how do i get cheap drives? plan on building a nog-tier 15 drive nas. i have server build for ~$250

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>where are they going to be exhausting at 90 degrees?
The constraints of the case is not shown, for all we know the air could be vented out through the side panel, or you could add a 90 degrees tube.

>This config is better, no turbulence
I find it hard to believe this is laminar flow only and the 90 degrees solution will not.

>and one will be slightly warmer.
That would require the rear fan running at high speed.

>currently have a bunch of mismatched drives with snapshot parity on Windows Server 2012
>using 22 of 25 TB
>wanna switch to Linux + ZFS
>don't really wanna spend a grand on new HDDs and hate the fact you can't expand vdevs

Should I just wait for expandable vdev feature and/or btrfs to be stable?

Gimme a quick rundown on Home Servers.
Can I have a safe space to store my ethically questionable porn collection and access it without having it on a physical drive connected to my pc?
Isn't it dangerous to have all of your files on your home network in case of a hack? Is security a big issue?
Can you technically have your own MEGA/Dropbox alternative when accessing files on your home server online through your phone or any other device?
Is it possible to use a home server as an actual server for a multiplayer video game, assuming your ISP provides you with enough speed/bandwidtch to do so?
It's a slow thread and even though there's >>Why would I want a NAS/Homeserver?
>If you ask why then you don't need it
I'm still curious about some questions.

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so im in a house with 3 other people right now, I have access to a closet with a power outlet, is it worth it to buy a full server and set it up in there? or should I just buy RPI's and make a homelab that way. Alternatively should I make a VM lab using centOS, ubuntu server etc.

also study suggestions for CCENT and CCNA?

you 'expand' vdevs by replacing the drives with higher capacity ones.

Which is dumb, it's a lot cheaper to go from 6x 4TB to 8x 4TB than it is to go to 6x 4TB to 6x 6TB.

then get another sas backplane and add additional pools? a vdev can't be expanded. a zpool can.

>Can I have a ...?
Yes

>Isn't it dangerous ...?
It depends on what you need. sFTP is a thing

>Can you technically ...?
Yes: sync thing (d ot) ne t

>Is it possible to ...?
Yes, ping is what to worry about too

Sorry for formatting but posting is being reported as spam

I want to try to host my own server. I'll do some shit like hosting plex, some websites, emails, seedbox etc... I need something that can handle a lot of storage for less than 100€.

No one have a link? I will put it in my bedroom.

A happy medium is getting an old compact workstation if you are in a place with a computer recyclers.

>mail server

Don't do it user.

Having some trouble with cisco. I have two interfaces, one 192.168.1.X and the other 11.11.11.X. I want the 192.168 to be able to ssh into clients on the 11.11, but not the other way around. Im currently using an access list, but I cannot configure it correctly.

running:
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>11.*
Don't be a nigger, run them in private space, goto 10.* while it's still early. I had a predecessor setup a network using the whole of 172/8 instead of 172.16/12 and I'm still dealing with the fallout, using static routes for some google services

I didn't even think about making smaller versions for streaming use. Nice idea

>Are there also other open designed or at least royalty free chips on a server scale out there?
Take a look at IBM's POWER

Why would I use SAS in a home environment though? I'd just buy a motherboard with 8 SATA ports and be done with it.

Newbie here:
I want to acces my server from outside of my lan, but i cannot open ports since my ip changes two times a day (really) and my ISP does not provide an option for a static IP, i tried Tor but thats really slow and i dont want to use NoIp, are there other ways?

check to see what DDNS services are supported in your router and sign up for one of those and have your router handle updating your IP to your address.

Also SPARC.

thank you /hsg/ user. TY for the good reply,

Refurb HGST 3TBs on Newegg for like $60 a pop.

What's your server build?

For what purpose do you need this much stuff?

>dont want to use noip
Why?? It's free..
Your alternative is something like DynDNS, regardless the tool to fix your situation is DDNS

>11

lol

You have valid concerns, but ;m pretty sure it's still more efficient cooling-wise to put hardware in a tube with a bunch of fans on both ends, than putting the hardware in a sphere made out of the same fans where one half blows, and another sucks. Or a cross of two tubes with four sets of the same amount of fans. I think you catch my drift.
The more your PC case is like a tube, the better the cooling. While your at it, you could make your house resemble a cooling cycle too, with one part of your rooms serving as the radiator.

Is there any app that helps me connect to the home server, provide a GUI, file viewer, and other functions similar to dropbox app's?

Building an i7 rack-mounted pc for work purposes. Any recommendations for heatsinks? I'm forced to stay limited to 1U so I'd have roughly 39mm tolerance, and the only ones I can find are 30TDP shy of the mark I'm looking for. Need around 90, most low profiles I find are around 60.

Passive cooling an option? I was thinking 3D printing out a shroud to force air through the heatsink with a couple 5W 40mm blower fans on the side of the case.

Would that provide sufficient cooling at that point roughly? I'd appreciate the help if anyone's willing to give it. Thanks.

Yes, you can cool 95-watt CPUs in 1U cases, but however you go about doing that, active or passive, it is going to be a VERY LOUD EXPERIENCE. And, as you've noted, it usually requires a fairly tight integration between the motherboard and the case. Both for ordinary clearance issues and to make sure that airflow is going where it needs to.

I wouldn't try to self-build a 1U machine, if I were you, at least not one anywhere near a 95-watt TDP. What are you doing with this machine anyway? If it really absolutely has to fit into one rack unit then you'd be better off buying a prebuilt 1U server. Used, if need be.

I will be running some tests on 1U machines at home before we ship them to a partnered datacenter for reseller purposes. The only thing I'm really worried about is cooling efficiency. Since it's not locally installed it can be as loud as a 747. As long as the parts don't shit out after a year we good.

Redpill me on PfSense

My little homelab is chugging away happily on some maths in my basement, what else should I make it do besides ssh.

Well then I'd tell your boss to pony up more money for a prebuilt server of some kind. Get something refurbished from a generation or two ago if he wants to pinch pennies. You need a mobo matched to the case to cool a 100-watt CPU in that form factor, for exactly the reasons you suspect - there's not enough vertical room to have much of a heatsink if a fan has to be on top of it, and if its passive it needs to be hard up against (or ducted to) the 40mm screamers doing general case ventilation.

If you could use another rack unit, yes, you could build this yourself. It still wouldn't necessarily be advisable, but it'd be fairly easily done. 2U is a much, much, much easier cooling challenge than 1U, and its tall enough to fit ordinary motherboards, a heatsink with a 60mm fan, 80mm case fans, and (low profile) expansion cards without fucking with risers. (The only real problem is the PSU, since today's consumer PSUs have abandoned rear 80mm fans for larger side fans. But you can hack around that, I did)

What's there to tell? It's FreeBSD with a custom installer and web interface for setting up routing and firewalling, along with other stuff commonly found with those like DNS and DHCP. If you fancy doing those tasks on a general purpose computer (because you need that much power, or because you happen to have one sitting around) it (or the fork, OPNSense) is a good choice if you don't want to set up all the above manually.

Alright, thanks for the advice. We're trying to stay competitive with other dedicated server providers who also have their own datacenters with as much room available to them as they can fill/cool. I'll see what I can do and if I get a working solution I'll probably make a thread about it and get shit on by anons lmao

If I can't make a stable solution, I'll try on 1.5U. I feel like that would give me enough wiggle room to do it properly without too much rigging.

oh - hi there :)

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You can do a lot with ssh. There is also the old school screen program. Dropbox functionality is harder. but ssh can be used for secure file transfers.

OP, please check out

Save contents from important sites. The /cyb/ FTP site has a lot of stuff, several tens of GB.

I was selling Seagate 3TB SAS drives on ebay for $41/drive.

Maybe I should have upped my price.

motivate me to setup my fileserver Jow Forums

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