HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO COMPETE WOTH THESE INDIANS THAT ALL HAVE 4 MASTERS DEGREES AT LEAST?

A 3.0 gets you in the door these days. its pretty sad but I've gotten 100% of the points in every course. so I guess it doesn't really matter when you're a perfect brai let like me.

A 2 will get you in you are a Chad or a lady

stop being lazy.

Learn how to use a whiteboard.

not in the bay

You don't go into any profession that requires competency eg anything that isn't CS or IT. A person who has a CS, IT, web design, and data science degrees is basically useless outside of administering servers.

Most companies know Indian employees either fake their credentials or go to schools with shit standards anyway, it's why they aren't hired unless they plan on outsourcing there anyway.

99% of companies don't give a shit about your GPA, even civil engineers can squeak by with a 2.5 GPA because CE requires an exam and a sponsored apprenticeship anyway. Those that do are pretty much just Facebook, Amazon, and Google (F.A.G.s).

things people without degrees say
>you don't really need a degree anyway!

things people with shit GPAs say:
>GPAs don't matter anyway!

wrong retard, I've lived here my entire life and I'm designing antennas on a $100k/yr salary despite having a GED. This happens because I'm good at what I do, can prove to my employer that I'm good at it, have a fat ass portfolio with references, and the requisite licenses.

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Guess school ranking does matter after all. Don't fall for the meme kids. If you want to a good cs job you better go to a top 10 cs undergrad school

i'm in the bay on a 260 base, 50% bonus, 600/4 RSU's

can you even survive here on 100k? that's like saying you're on 40k in the midwest, that's anti-evidence friend

Did he say he's in the bay area retard

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You don't need either if you know what you're doing. Few companies care what your formal qualifications are so long as your portfolio, certs, and references are there. Just look at the rise of continuing education, all that exists because employers legit don't care about someone's degree.

that's a ridiculously high salary. Larp tier at least make it around 400k for it to be slightly believable. I know few who get more than 300s (fang)

>can you even survive here on 100k

you can if you get a home from mommy and make most of your income through rent

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yes he literally responded to my saying "not in the bay", retard

what did you think "here" meant in his post?

Didn't Donald promise to fix this by eliminating H1-b visas? He has full unwavering support of congress. Why is this still a thing? Why hasn't he done his FUCKING job??

comp.fyi or Blind and inform yourself

that salary (mine) is a Staff level. E7+ at Facebook could compete with that, L66 or L67 at Microsoft, etc.

>CS degree is useless for anything but administrating servers

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If you're going to LARP at least make it believable. That's more than a lead at google and is on par with a specialist like a systems architect for something like distributed systems or machine learning.

see it's Staff level, so yes, more than Lead at G

it's not as niche as ML, it's security

>finance or law
Enjoy your depressing and unfulfilling existence

Mine already is, it cant get worse

Hes not wrong though.

>only having one hobby
>not using the most profitable one as such

>the actual state of muricas
What a fucking joke

Sure he is faggot. CS majors put the 'engineer' in software engineering.

India and China currently have 100 year green card wait times friendo

We've gotten to the point where anyone who wants a high-skill, competitive engineering job will know some sort of programming at a complement to their main job, and will know how to write plugins for whatever software they use (eg autocad, solidworks, EE circuit sims, etc). Most companies have little need for dedicated CS people outside of bugfixing, but this is also a job that can be given out as an entry level position from other departments.

CS degrees are only good if you're doing pure software, which in most cases will be IT. If you're one of the .00000001% of people who are doing extreme math and theoretical physics sims, then you're just going to get a CS degree with your Math or Physics degree anyway. But even then you'd be completely unemployable without continuing education and/or trade certs for individual pieces of software that companies actually use.

>CS degrees are only good if you're doing pure software, which in most cases will be IT.
you don't have either of those degrees, do you? i'm not the guy you're replying to but you're... wrong

a cs degree nowadays is all about algorithms, data structures, fundamentals. people coming out of a CS degree in 2018 probably don't know anything about networking and couldn't do basic systems admin tasks.

there are information science/information technology/business information systems degrees which are basically the opposite and maybe you're thinking of those (or some crappy community college 'CS' degree that is more like that?)

>a cs degree nowadays is all about algorithms, data structures,

Yes, like it always has been. Except now the only people interested in that are F.A.G and maybe random startups that can't pay a competitive salary but promise stock options for when future growth occurs. And even then when these people are tasked with implementing or demonstrating a concept, they have to know IT tasks or else they are completely dead in the water.

CS itself has become a complete and total meme on it's own. For all the promises made to students and graduates, most don't see much real work that is strictly CS.

That's.. really not true. You really aren't in the field are you?

There is lots of systems/network work, as there has always been, and FAANG aren't the only ones hiring software engineers.

>STEM
>profitable
Pick one.

It is true. Nobody wants a dedicated software engineer when they can get their regular type of engineer but who also knows CS. It increases the chances they'd actually know how to use the software specific to their line of work and will follow it on their own time, mitigating retraining costs. Again it's why continuing education exists, because everyone who got a CS degree before 1995 is considered worthless, and those before 2005 expired goods. So they go back to school to get their specific CS/IT certs to prove they're up to date, swallowing the cost entirely. New students and grads aren't told about this though, or are told it's a thing everyone in other industries to do (it is not).

Not every company is a webservice company, and few webservice companies are profitable even fewer successful like FAG.

>when they can get their regular type of engineer but who also knows CS.

A 'regular type of engineer'? Are you suggesting people want electrical, civil, power, etc who just happen to know CS? You're delusional.

> It increases the chances they'd actually know how to use the software specific to their line of work and will follow it on their own time

Yes, this is true for specialty fields like electrical and civil. You want an engineer discipline specific.

But who do you think is writing software for the financial sector? Do you think it's bankers who know a little CS? Who do you think is programming software for MRI and CT machines, do you think it's doctors who know a little CS?

>Not every company is a webservice company

Very true. You sound like you're in architecture or civil somewhere; and yes totally cool you don't have dedicated software engineers on staff. But uh, a software engineer wrote AutoCAD. You can write the plugins for it, just fine.

>like FAG.
The acronym is FAANG and you sound like a memeing retard saying FAG.

>Are you suggesting people want electrical, civil, power, etc who just happen to know CS?

They do now. Nobody wants to hire let alone sponsor a CE (or a prospective CE) if they can't do CAD and knowing how to write CAD plugins is what separates the old from the young. Same for EE, if they want to demonstrate their ideas they use sims which they have to write plugins for. This is CE. Same for chemists and physicists, obviously.

>But who do you think is writing software for the financial sector?

CPAs who know CS.

>But uh, a software engineer wrote AutoCAD.

yes, a product/service which already exists and isn't going to be built completely from the ground up again. As skills proliferate, there's less distance between those who make software and those who use it. At least within commercial/professional applications.

What is he an Indian? What is he a goddamn asshole? what the fuck is he doin'
Not ever.

This guy's a faggot
Guy's some sort of faggot Indian in the teepee

You're in a completely different world with your blinders on, friend.

>if they can't do CAD and knowing how to write CAD plugins is what separates the old from the young

We're not talking about architects and civil engineers. You're on a technology bored. Yes, CE and EE both have some knowledge of software development in 2018. This doesn't make software engineers irrelevant.

>CPAs who know CS.

You're wrong: I spent several years in the financial sector. Also, CPA's have a very small finite skillset in accounting that is not at all representative of the finsev industry (see: trading platforms, HFT, roboinvesting).

>yes, a product/service which already exists and isn't going to be built completely from the ground up again.

Autodesk are one of the highest paying and largest companies in the Bay Area.

autodesk.taleo.net/careersection/adsk_gen/jobsearch.ftl?f=JOB_FIELD(6201372691)&ignoreSavedQuery

Autodesk literally have 146 software engineering positions open. Not CE, not EE. Software engineering. Based off www.comp.fyi they pay an average of ~300k for mid to senior software engineers. I'd wager that's more than you're earning.

Sit down. You're wrong.

I have no degree and I can tell you from experience if you're good at what you do you'll put everyone else to shame.

>You're on a technology bored. Yes, CE and EE both have some knowledge of software development in 2018. This doesn't make software engineers irrelevant.

It does when at some point CS become a required component, rather than a separate entity. Today a person can file a bugfix and probably patch it without involvement of a dedicated programmer looking through a stack of cards (or tape) to make the changes and watch it run in real time to make sure it doesn't fry the million-dollar computer in the company basement. Everyone having a pocket PC seems trivial unless you were employed before the iphone, in which case it's a whole new shift that everyone except pre-iphone CS grads got. Who wants someone who can only write software, especially when the software completely changes every ten years? Not many.

>Autodesk are one of the highest paying and largest companies in the Bay Area.

Yes, and there is only one Autodesk. Every company that uses Autodesk software does not need a dedicated CS grad on their payroll.

>Sit down. You're wrong.

zoomer pls it's past your bedtime

>It does when at some point CS become a required component, rather than a separate entity.
No; that achieved the opposite. CS went from being an incredibly niche thing that only the big boys did to a skillset that is a prerequisite for every job. That's more opportunities for CS grads, not less.

>Today a person can file a bugfix and probably patch it without involvement
Let me how your patching of AutoCAD or Solidworks goes.

>Who wants someone who can only write software, especially when the software completely changes every ten years? Not many.
That PC in your pocket? There's literally thousands of companies involved in making it: all with dedicated full-time software engineers. Before it was a pad and paper, now it's a career for CS grads.

>Yes, and there is only one Autodesk. Every company that uses Autodesk software does not need a dedicated CS grad on their payroll.
I agree. Autodesk has ~9000 employees and $3B of annual revenue. NewTek, Maxon, Side Effects, Foundry all make competing software and hire thousands of engineers.

That's not to say that those are the only companies involved in employing full-time dedicated software engineers, I'm just picking on this industry because it seems to be the one you're in. This is across every industry.

I'm not sure why you have a stick up your ass about software engineers. Don't take it from me, take it from the Bureau of Labor:

bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm

Job outlook is growing "much faster than average" (24% YoY).

If anything you should be worried about software engineers automating you out of a job. Maybe you are.

cya dickhead

I've worked with indians before.
Never again.

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You're gonna get fucked by the difficulty lmoa