What the fuck went wrong?

One of the worst OOTB experiences of any browser I’ve used.

>Less customizable and more dumbed down over time.
>Killed the old add-on ecosystem that gave users enough power to fullfill whatever browser need, and instead replaced it with gimped Chrome-clone extensions.
>Now nearly as much of a resource hog as chrome
>Still uses the shitty fucking GTK filepicker without thumbnails on linux

Watched too much unboxing videos ?

>>Now nearly as much of a resource hog as chrome
??
Quantum is fast as fuck

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how about the fact that Quantum isn't even finished and yet they rushed to release it in a half-broken state? webrender still nowhere in sight, too.

moziller changed from nun prophet to maga corpo

Tried to copy Chrome instead of doing their own thing.
I used to love Firefox and hate Chrome, but I use Chromium now.

Firefox is in a stage of transition. They've just made a switch to a multi-process mode for better performance, stability and security. The new mode makes sandboxing possible.

Unfortunately since XUL extensions run in the main process, they cannot easily be sandboxed like WebExtensions can, which poses a security risk to the system and some users don't like that. Unfortunately since WebExtensions is sandboxed, what the extensions can do is limited in comparison to the older XUL extensions and some users don't like that.

Jow Forums brainlets think using RAM to speed things up is bad.

While Quantum is legitimately fast, it takes a lot of RAM and all these processes it spawns make it take ages to restart.

.5s loading time is not a thing that matters

The best browser is slow as fuck but leaving most of your RAM unused.

well firefox is currently really good, especially the theme vs chrome dogshit themes. Performance, video playback, etc in general is spot on.

But there is always sometimes a chance for a regression which isnt cool quiet a few builds post 60 were pants.

Chrome just needs to fix their damn theme really.

-bloated (RAM usage) and slow (no multithreading support for a long, long time while other browsers had that) once a few hundred tabs were open with no option to unload tabs again after either an amount of time or by user dialogue
-addons received less and less support and got incompatible in the most recent versions
-stupid Windows-style approach of "improving" the browser: less config options and everything more hidden; stupid features no one asked for while useful features (and thus addons that relied on these) were removed without a word about that; privacy issues now more than in the past

FF offers no unique features and sacrificed the customization that made it unique for ... yeah I don't know what for. I don't see any reasonable decision there.

/thread

They were lazy because they had no real competition in the browser space. Then chrome comes out and wipes the floor with them. They just keep trying to catch up but it is pretty much too late.

>mozzarella is the shitiest political shill foundation steered by jewish tricks
>no political opinions please
Kys fa/g/Jow Forumsot

>Quantum is fast as fuck
Nobody was on ff decause the engine was fast, but because of the whole ecosystem.
If I wanted something fast, I'd use lynx

Chrome appealed to the normies, Firefox tried to do the same by dumbing down everything instead of focusing on customization.

I agree, but how is bloating everything dumbing down? How did they manage to fuck up this bad?

And why the fuck can't I set a URL as the new tab page? There's this one OS from this largely company (they rarely make the news) where programs tend to not be quit. How don't they get that? I never open new windows, I open new tabs. So where's my homepage?

largely unknown*

what went wrong there?

Meanwhile Firefox mobile loads at twice the time of other browsers. And they killed websql :(

Chrome is always the browser bringing out new features

Yeah I never got this. The browser stops using ram if other program needs it generally and you shouldn't have so little ram that your browser eats all of it up. What the fuck is the point of having ram if it isn't used. You're paying 200 dollars for that shit so it should speed up your computer.

Hardware acceleration is STILL shit after all these years.

This.

>Cliqz
>an experiment for less than 0.1% Firefox users
>was removed in less than 3 months
Irrelevant
>shows where their priorities lie
You're retarded. So browser devs shouldn't try to poke the market and see what direction of development they should take? Google does the same, how else is firefox supposed to compete?

XUL was shit and full of security issues.

>tried to be chrome
>tried to be a worse browser
No, they didn't. They're just following the current market. It's retarded to stay outdated and firefox would die a lot faster if they didn't abandon XUL.

That would be anything based on chrome, actually. Depends on what you want ootb.

>gimped Chrome-clone extensions.
The Firefox extension system is still superior to chrome

Of course it is, it's basically running the full desktop version on android. It's actually better in everything other than speed.

>20 years ago some bug is posted about pressing CTRL+Q instead of CTRL+W exiting the browser without warning
> bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52821
>people suggest adding a prompt
>10 years ago prompt breaks for some reason
> bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502908
>apparently some clever mozilla dev came up with the idea that if the user has enabled "restore previously open tabs on start" enabled, prompting for quit is not necessary
>"b-because the 50 tabs will be restored when firefox is reopened, r-right?"
>fix is literally just removing one condition from an if-clause (or alternatively commenting it out)

also falling into the trap of modern design
>UI design tested on a bare install with only 2-3 tabs open
>checks out with current research
>"cool ship it"
>totally ignores that the design breaks down for users who have more than 20 tabs open
>tabs start scrolling off screen in the tab bar
>navigating gets really hard
>setting the minimum tab size in about:conf below a certain value has no effect because of "design limitations"
>apparently because each tab needs to exactly fit a favicon and an X to close the tab
>"solution" is a hacky addition to chrome-something.css

good job on the spam filter hirohito

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This
Have both chrome 68 and firefox 62, firefox is actually faster

>That would be anything based on chrome, actually. Depends on what you want ootb.
Huh? Chrome/Chromium is the one browsers that does OOTB right. Blank start page with no top sites filled in, no shitty tour prompts, no "suggestions" and no extensions that need disabling.

also
>there were addons to restore the behaviour of prompts on pressing ctrl+Q
>as well as addons to disable the ctrl+Q keybinding altogether
>addons broke with 57 quantum
>mozilladevs too incompetent to fix the prompt
>instead decides to tackle issue of disabling CTRL+Q hotkey
>some absolute genious has an idea
>"w-wait how about we instead of fixing this pressing [heh] issue add a complete system for rebinding hotkeys?"
>"n-nevermind people experiencing data loss due to the existing behaviour"
>cue another bug, this one 2 years old
> bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1325692

>people complain about this being a really dumb way to go about fixing the CTRL+Q issue
>"Hi all, there’s a lot of off-topic and advocacy chatter in this bug"
>I’m going to restrict comments on this bug until we have a better sense of what the next steps will be.

m-muh advocacy (what does that even mean?)

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They removed a ton of features.

yes I am upset (but almost not as upset as I am with Gnome/GTK devs)
but if you have this issue here is the shitty patch
--- a/browser/components/nsBrowserGlue.js
+++ b/browser/components/nsBrowserGlue.js
@@ -1368,11 +1368,12 @@ BrowserGlue.prototype = {
// browser.showQuitWarning specifically covers quitting
// browser.tabs.warnOnClose is the global "warn when closing multiple tabs" pref

+ /*
var sessionWillBeRestored = Services.prefs.getIntPref("browser.startup.page") == 3 ||
Services.prefs.getBoolPref("browser.sessionstore.resume_session_once");
if (sessionWillBeRestored || !Services.prefs.getBoolPref("browser.warnOnQuit"))
return;
-
+ */
let win = Services.wm.getMostRecentWindow("navigator:browser");

// On last window close or quit && showQuitWarning, we want to show the
--
2.18.0

this is probably a better fix that preserves the behaviour of not being warned if warn is unset but I have not tested it
---
browser/components/nsBrowserGlue.js | 4 +---
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 3 deletions(-)

diff --git a/browser/components/nsBrowserGlue.js b/browser/components/nsBrowserGlue.js
index 478a474a0..2d06f598b 100644
--- a/browser/components/nsBrowserGlue.js
+++ b/browser/components/nsBrowserGlue.js
@@ -1368,9 +1368,7 @@ BrowserGlue.prototype = {
// browser.showQuitWarning specifically covers quitting
// browser.tabs.warnOnClose is the global "warn when closing multiple tabs" pref

- var sessionWillBeRestored = Services.prefs.getIntPref("browser.startup.page") == 3 ||
- Services.prefs.getBoolPref("browser.sessionstore.resume_session_once");
- if (sessionWillBeRestored || !Services.prefs.getBoolPref("browser.warnOnQuit"))
+ if (!Services.prefs.getBoolPref("browser.warnOnQuit"))
return;

let win = Services.wm.getMostRecentWindow("navigator:browser");
--
2.18.0

like you can see it black on white just here that this behaviour (if session will be restored dont warn) is very much intended behaviour and it just reeks of incompetency
if (sessionWillBeRestored || !Services.prefs.getBoolPref("browser.warnOnQuit"))

doesn't mean that it's good

>no Jow Forumsshit
you mean this?
bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366559#c147

It only allows for firefox store extensions.

Instead of making a better browser they decided to create a new programming language to which they will use to create a better browser.

also the firefox UI is written in fucking javascript for some reason

?
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chrome-store-foxified/

>also falling into the trap of modern design
>>UI design tested on a bare install with only 2-3 tabs open
>>checks out with current research
>>"cool ship it"
>>totally ignores that the design breaks down for users who have more than 20 tabs open
>>tabs start scrolling off screen in the tab bar
>>navigating gets really hard
what

try opening 30-40 tabs in firefox then quickly navigate from one of the first ones to one of the last ones

Terrible settings layout. I absolutely hate chrome, I can't do shit with it. The only thing you can do is accept all the bullshit and just browse. The only good blink browser is Brave.

privacy
>Jow Forums shit
freedoms
>Jow Forums shit

guess i better give up now... just kidding, fuck this bloated, nonfunctional rubbish

Not what i meant.
You literally cannot write your own extension and have it run from file.
You have to either submit it to the store, or use the beta developer edition of the browser.

Absolutely nothing to do with the points I raised.

never seen anything wrong
had a gorillion tabs before my intervention

does this not work anymore?
ghacks.net/2016/08/14/override-firefox-add-on-signing-requirement/

When the first post happens to be the best post. Best option out there right now.

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seems everybody forgot that their favorite plugin was deprecated. higher CPU and RAM usage

well shills shilling shill

oh don't forget that Mr. Robot shit
Real answer

>UI and UX isn't a part of ootb superiority
Lol ok. You can literally fix all your "issues" in less than 15 seconds by using Firefox's superior UI and settings.

for me the last straw was pushing useless plugins and adware in the browser.

>favorite plugin deprecated
What?
>higher CPU and RAM usage
Actually not so much for me
>Mr. Robot shit
Not an issue for me, I know how to use preferences and about:config

Firefox > chromium browsers

this

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No, it isn't and it takes longer than that. I know because I'm currently using Firefox with all the fixes I needed to apply.
Fuck off faggot.

fuck off mozhill

>takes longer than that
What?
Options > home page > display a blank page
about:config > pocket.enabled > false
Kills all your issues. Chrome's issues can't be fixed no matter how hard you try.

There are a few more things than that.
Also, I said OOTB experience. You don't have to do any of that shit with Chromium, which is exactly my point. It doesn't come with all of this shit by default.

As I said, I use Firefox myself, I'm simply pointing out one of the things it does horribly compared to Chrome/Chromium. Stop being retarded.

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looks like you never use your browser for anything but facebook or something

What would you use your browser for? Videogames?

lol no.
I remember it used to, then they disabled it. Maybe it works again now, but i can't be arsed to check.

desu this

First post, best post.

Too much RAM

botnet takeover

This. Nothing else comes even remotely close.

Chrome won the race and made everyone expect a bloated browser, and complain if they didn't get it. Now you have to use niche software to get a good browsing experience. Qutebrowser is pretty good, I've heard a lot of free software dudes use epiphany.

It runs fine when it's first launched and using under 1GB. Some videos or images later and it's suddenly 3GB+ and very sluggish. Why isn't it unloading stuff when I close a tab? Opening a youtube video or a thread with a lot of images permanently makes the browser slower until you restart it. That's just stupid.

They never fixed the bloat issue since day one. Chromium solved it by having a built in task manager.

>>totally ignores that the design breaks down for users who have more than 20 tabs open
Are you actually implying Chrome handles this better? Also, you should pin tabs for any sites you constantly have open, and close tabs when you're done with them. Treat pinned tabs as permanent and unpinned tabs as temporary. Don't be afraid to bookmark something if you're not gonna read it for a long time. Right now I have 8 pinned tabs and 2 unpinned. I have 30-40% of the tab bar free still. I periodically purge tabs throughout my day, scrolling through and trying to remember why I left stuff open and if it still matters. I used to be one of those mad lads with 300+ tabs. It's a behavioral problem you have to try to tackle. Tab Groups also made it worse, since I'd often send stuff to a group I wasn't actively looking at. Out of sight, out of mind. I don't use Tab Groups anymore.

>Are you actually implying Chrome handles this better?
no
firefox is the best that exists but that is only because the bar is so low

Alright, that's a fine statement. Sorry if I jumped to conclusions.

>what went wrong
>hard mode: you're not allowed to say what

So you say there are no significant technical issues with the browser, and you just hate it because it hurts your special snowflake fee-fees?

Good talk.

I can see your hands rubbing through my screen.

this, been using firefox for a decade

>to be chrome thus alienating their core u
I hate the GKT engine in KDE but is nice browser!

I like firefox more.
I use many tabs and at least I can scroll them in firefox when chrome makes a mess.
I also dislike how many processes chrome makes.

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fpbp

People were leaving ff because it had fallen so far behind of Chrome

They hired nodejs "developers" to replace actual developers.

that is not why people left ff. You're retarded.

I did it and plenty of other people too, if you'd bother to do even a simple search for it. Also if you were old enough to post here you'd remember when everyone was switching to Chrome because it was blazing fast.

Rust happened

Mr. Robot. My last straw for using firefox.

/thread

This. OP is just a Jewgle employee on damage control.

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>Every once in a while my Firefox stops loading pretty much everything for like 30 seconds
What the fuck is wrong with this browser?

board is slow today?

Let's create a brower/OS/distro war thread, proven to create responses and get this shithole moving.

Killing the old extension API while the new one wasn't ready.

This but with uBlock, uMatrix and what else??

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>why the fuck can't I set a URL as the new tab page?
New meme business model with their new tab page redesign + sponsored pocket links

So now you not only have to disable pocket, telemetry and other botnet but also need to setup your new tab page through a webextension to have your browser work as intended. Since you don't want to use some shitty premade new tab page extension from pajeet, you need to do your own extension.For it to stay loaded, aka not keep it in debug mode and have to load it back up on reboot, you need to fucking sign it on their webextension store thing even if you don't make it public.

I want to believe mozilla still has good intentions and is simply misguided, but they keep making it harder and harder.

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