Why did you abandon Rust?

>Paradox of tolerance
These comment begin wrong case paradox, using paradox to say any people you don’t like is intolerant and desire begin eradicate.

What kind of Jow Forums stuff happened? I'm curious.

Ironically the paradox is just another kind of Russel's paradox. George Soros and his mentor are/were both pseudointellectuals. Ironically, the former was also a nazi. This is Rust's chosen ideology.

Rust ideology is just begin puppet from most intolerant leftist in “community”.

Someone should make a program that will print swastika in rust

I grinded off the Rust to give it a nice sheen and found it was just C which nearly gave me a heart attack. I went back to SEEPLES immediately.

I did everything the manual told me to, I even cut off my dick. But I still couldn't do doubly linked lists without using unsafe constructs.

Hitler did nothing wrong. When do we purge these idiots?

Don't forget another classic.

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i'm a bad programmer that really doesn't know much of what i'm doing but it seems to me that c/c++ can do whatever rust can and it's actually used irl. if i wanted something esoteric i'd use dlang.

Rust is actually an extremely safe language, it's built from the ground up for retards who hurt themselves just by sitting still. It's a lot like Go but uglier and far more verbose.

so kind of like java only compiled? sounds like a sane option for desktop applications.

>Anyone who ditches rust for political reasons is autistic. It's a programming language, not a news outlet.

Rust's own mission statement declares programming to be a social and political endeavor, the language itself and its community disagree with you.

If one can be ousted from a language's community for political reasons, one can disregard a language for political reasons too.

I didn't abandon it, it's pretty good.

Its literally just a shittier version of c++

better*, ftfy
Thanks to sum types, modules and the match syntax.

I don't learn languages without a very good reason. I am happy with C++, Java and a little knowledge of scripting languages.

I tried to make a doubly linked list and it wouldn't let me. It's weird that the language designer would forget to add support for basic data structures 101 kind of stuff. So I pinned a sexy girl calendar on my wall, compiled hello_world.c and was comforted by toxic masculinity.

>degenerate Americans bring their "identity politics" even into the programming.

When did programming language became a "community"? Why the fuck do you even care about said community unless you think you are a part of it? You use the language to write programs for work or personal use. How does "community" affect any of that?

Spot the guys with rainbow flags on their laptops.
>Rust's own mission statement declares programming to be a social and political endeavor
To Rust, C++ is part of the patriarchy and "old order" and must be "subverted and smashed". This is why you get daily C++ hate threads on Jow Forums.

>How does "community" affect any of that?

Some people have a need to control others. Boomers did it with home owners associations, millennials are doing it online.

Well Rust is a community project, the compiler is also open source, so the community aspect was always part of it.

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>millennials are doing it online.
Except you are literally free to do whatever you want and no one can ban you from using the language. All they can do is to "make you unwelcome". But I can't imagine how that can bother anyone.

>the compiler is also open source, so the community aspect was always part of it.
And that affects any of you how? You are free to use the tools you perceive as good or that are required by your employer.
"the community" can go collectively fuck itself for all I care.
I just really don't understand how there is anything to discuss on Jow Forums.

>But I can't imagine how that can bother anyone.
But I thought the reason we don't have more women in tech is that they feel unwelcome. Is that not a problem?

>Except you are literally free to do whatever you want

Perfect, I choose to use a different language.

>Except you are literally free to do whatever you want and no one can ban you from using the language.

The Rust community disagrees. You are not free to do anything against their code of conduct, anywhere on the internet or in person, or you will be banned from contributing to the project, from events, from community message boards, etc.

>people create entire language based on "safe" programming methods and restrictive syntax
>surprised when same people create safe spaces and restrict dialougue
Programming in idiomatic rust is like trying to speak politically correctly

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Disparagement is okay as long as it's targeted towards acceptable groups.

>And that affects any of you how?
As a user of the language it really doesn't too much, I probably misunderstood your post I thought you were talking about the contributors.

Once again, that's the line "the community" is allegedly trying to push. How does that affect you as an end user?
My point is that unless you actively want and try to participate in their retardation, there is no way any of that can affect you.
FFS, isn't Jow Forums supposed to be about technology and not "politics"?

>or you will be banned from contributing to the project, from events, from community message boards
So, just as I said, they'll throw you out of "the community". The point stand that it does not affect you in any tangible or intangible way, unless you go out of your way to be the part of said community. And if you do, you agree to all of that anyway.

>I probably misunderstood your post I thought you were talking about the contributors.
Yeah, sorry. I was talking about the user of a language. Contributors are undoubtedly are at least partially affected by all this.

This is why we had KZ in Germany.

>you are probably aware of the Paradox of Tolerance, so i wont rehash it here. If you are advocating against effective response to Jews, you are a Jew sympathizer and don't belong here

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Rust devs are probably evil sjw communist feminazi jewish lizard Soros women, you know, the usual

I realized kotlin is 50x faster to get anything done in and the performance difference is negligible

I refuse to use any language created after 2000.

Feels bad man, I invested my teenage years getting good at C++ and now Rust just comes with their superior language that I have to learn all over again. It also feels sad to abandon C++ because it was an awesome language in retrospect.
I hope that C++ is still the best choice for game programming?

based

>meanwhile, C++ dominates everything and gets shit done
Hell, I'm sure even Go has a better future than this laughable, pathetic excuse for political circlejerking.

>Rust's own mission statement declares programming to be a social and political endeavor
Link?

There are enough legitimate issues with Rust that I don't understand why you fags keep bringing up >muh identity politics (as if nearly every other programming language "community" isn't infested with CoCs and SJWs by now) and straight up lies.

I thought it was just trolling, but this shit is so repetitive and persistent that it smells like a group of politically-motivated brainlets with an agenda. Over a fucking open source programming language. This is a board for technology, you pests. At least keep your bait on topic.

I agree, but it's important to point out the political smell around rust.

>hahaha keep using that C++ shitlord we are coming to smash your order with languages designed for invalids!

Don't worry dude, Rust is dying slowly and once Mozilla is gone it will not be maintained. It's a language written by people with learning difficulties.

BC
Stops you from writing perfectly correct code.

this, and then say it started happening on it's own in an article that we all bump for keks

You forgot the biggest classic when they hired the "kill all men" woman and wiped a whole thread with people trying to express their concern in the most careful and civil manner.

yes but the software I make with Rust does not have to follow this rhetoric.

Rust is objectively a solid language, and could probably replace C++ in a decade or two if two things happen:
a.) it gets standardized (standards are usually BS but enterprises like it)
b.) an even better alternative does not take its place and reach standardization first

I can't see it replacing C in embedded or OS dev though because while it certainly can do the low level tasks that C does, it isn't flexible enough (yet) and things like GPUs do not necessarily like "safe" code when the safety is implemented through a linguistic abstraction

>standards are usually BS but enterprises like it
This is why Rust will never get anywhere, the people promoting it have no fucking clue what they're talking about.
Nothing will replace C++, it will simply get improved upon. This is like all the RISC faggots saying x86 will eventually be replaced, yet here we are.

>Stops you from writing perfectly correct code.
This is actually what made me laugh and delete it off my machine. The BC cripples the mind and destroys the soul.

>Well Rust is a community project
You misspelled communist
>The point stand that it does not affect you in any tangible or intangible way, unless you go out of your way to be the part of said community. And if you do, you agree to all of that anyway.
Really?
>Spends 1 year developing killer app for Rust, to promote the language
>Also support Trump in your spare time
>Time to publish my program on social media, reddit
>Rust CoC enforcement spots your app and checks through your social media history.
>Finds Trump material, gets triggered HARD.
>Trump derangement syndrome activates
>Not only are you banned from every posting on Rust pages, they track down your place of work and get you fired
NO THANK YOU.

>he thinks that the ethos of a standards organization is more important than a proper technical specification

>his language has undefined behavior

>he can't grok borrow checker

Based and bluepilled.

>He can't think outside technical restrictions.
>Wonders why he still lives at home

sure you can write safe code without UB in C or C++, but if you think it will never happen if youre careful then you're an amateur

The moment you use Rust you're trading memory safety (and you can barely call it that), for physical and financial safety. This is because you are entering a social justice safe zone with insane enforcers. We all saw what the Mozilla team did to their CEO the moment they discovered he donated $1000 to some anti-fag marriage cause. What happens if you ever become a prominent enough member of the "community"? Eventually you will be expected to show up to their gay parade rallies yearly, to prove that you're not homophobic. I'm not even being ironic.

thats absolutely delusional, get a job dude

I just implement some projects in Rust, test them, and deploy them. No SJWs knocking on my door.

In fact my entire team writes Rust and I have not experienced any SJW bs at all. Maybe you should go outside for a little bit and realize the world is different than you exaggerate it from the comfort of your bedroom.

>thats absolutely delusional, get a job dude
Already work for FANG, faggot.
>I just implement some projects in Rust, test them, and deploy them
I like how you left out publishing them.
>In fact my entire team writes Rust
Mozilla? LOL.
>Maybe you should go outside for a little
Maybe you should remove the cock from your mouth before talking to me?

>larping this hard

I lost faith in the project.

Oh cute, the SJW learnt a new word.

alt-right rust fork when

>alt-rust

Hitlerust
RuSSt
HeteRustSexual

Yeah that's pretty much it. Aside from the leftist political aspect it seems like a relatively sane replacement for pajeet java shit.

Because everything Rust can do, C++ can do too and C++ will actually get you a job and a huge, stable ecosystem
C++ cam be just as safe as rust if you follow a few simple guidelines
C++ has an ISO standard, rust changes on the whims of a few sjw dipshits and still hasn't stable concurrency

>probably evil sjw communist
>probably communist
>probably
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And that's a good thing!

>thinks communism isnt best economic system
brainlet

it seems Jow Forums actually has intelligent posters

Make it rank high in Google for "rust code example".

>communism
>best economic system
Your dumb nigger leadership don't even understand what risk is. They don't even know how to theoretically distribute resources.

It's a meme system for retards who think they know everything but don't actually know anything, and have never had to live in the real world

The difference in RAM usage is huge, at least now when Kotlin/Native isn't ready.

Confirmed lizards

It is are a programmer who submits bug reports and patches upstream, maintains open source projects and hangs out on IRC, it is a problem.

>Stops you from writing perfectly correct code.
But that is literally any type system, user.

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>Rust is objectively a solid language, and could probably replace C++ in a decade or two
It's more likely that it will influence new languages, one or more of which will split up C++'s market share a few programming language generations down the line.

Compare Haskell users.

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It can be done in as much lines in JavaScript. And I'm not even defending JS.

And this is why Apple's Swift is the programming language of the future.

rust-lang.org/en-US/conduct.html

This is supposed to be "ironic" right?

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Is there even one example of a legitimate contribution being denied due to identity politics?

>daily reminder on why """Jow Forums""" hates rust

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Except there's a difference between the real world and a programming language.
Want an example? Look at GNU.
Not that GNU is perfect, far from it.

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It's a good language, but the user experience on Linux is second-rate.

>fat commie
little bit of collectivism will clear that right up.

This is far from the worst CoC I've seen (that would be FreeBSD's), but the thing about CoCs is that they are just words. The most they can do is hint at the mods behavior and intentions. The USSR had a pretty nice constitution, too.

>mission statement for a programming language
who the fuck cares? A programming language is a tool. Do you buy a different brand of screwdriver because of the political inclinations of the manufacturer? No, you don't, because nobody gives a fuck because it's a screwdriver.

>If one can be ousted from a language's community for political reasons
if a """programming language community""" """"""""""ousts"""""""""" you for political reasons, then it wasn't a programming language community at the outset

Rust could absolutely replace C in virtually all of the work I do, t. embedded engineer
I do industrial automation stuff though, so it's kind of a different realm from what you're talking about

A screwdriver is a simple non-extensible commodity tool. Choosing a programming language with an open source "ecosystem" is more like choosing what fetish to draw as a porn artist. The prevalent art style, social norms and the kind of people you interact with will depend on your choice.
>it wasn't a programming language community at the outset
No shit. That's the core of the problem.

I guess I just don't see it that way. When I pick a language for a project, I pick it because I think it's the best tool for the job given my experience with the lang, and the capabilities it comes with. The people who use it or the "ecosystem" (whatever that means) don't really make a difference to me, I just like to get the project done.

I hate the farce of the "programming language community" honestly. There are programming communities, but lang "communities" are almost always off-topic politics and bullshit (see: r/rust) or people posting random news articles with the lang's name in them (see: r/kotlin), or some combination of the two.

I've very rarely seen meaningful discussion about a programming language inside a programming language community, and it's because everyone's working on different shit- a much more productive community could be, say, an "embedded software development" community. Sure, you're pulling in 4 or 5 different languages, but the applications and knowledge pools are more similar, which facilitates productive, on-topic discussion.