/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

i want to as soon as i have the money, nvidia is fucking awful on linux.

>Gnome
good luck with that
that shit was crashing daily on me because extensions
Gnome devs, in their infinite wisdom, decided that extensions should directly manipulate global program state instead of using an API like everyone else does
this means that if a new version of Gnome introduces some changes, any of your extensions can crash the whole desktop if they try to do an invalid operation
you also have to put your full trust in every extension you have because it literally has full access to the whole desktop

Works great on Radeon

I'm actually a developer for wlroots, which is used by several of the wayland compositors listed, and specifically did the part involving GPUs.
Holy shit, is AMD a much better choice for Linux, especially in the last couple of years. Nouveau is decent for older cards, but you're fucked if you bought a recent Nvidia card.
We've vowed to NEVER support shitty APIs only used by proprietary drivers, so until Nvidia stops being such cunts and actually supports the APIs that everybody else (especially Mesa) uses, we will never support them.

good to see there's still someone with integrity
too many people have been bending over backwards for anti-customer businesses like Nvidia

KDE is refusing to support them too, but for more technical reasons.
Basically, they don't want to support two different APIs and make their code way more complicated.

>we will never support them.
Until you support NVIDIA, no one will ever support YOU.
RHEL uses nvidia on its workstations, you think you have any chance at BULLYING RHEL in to changing their billion dollar contracts?
Wayland is garbage and will never be more then an alpha enthusiasts project

Not him but I really wish AMD made the equivalent of a GF 1050. As in "cheap, low-power card that can also drive four monitors". Last I looked nothing below an RX 570 does that, at least among things recent enough that AMDGPU supports them. (And we all know that even if they say they have 'experimental' support, they're never really gonna bother with earlier GCN chips)

>Until you support NVIDIA, no one will ever support YOU.
>RHEL uses nvidia on its workstations, you think you have any chance at BULLYING RHEL in to changing their billion dollar contracts?
not him, but who cares about RHEL?
RHEL ships with GNOME and they use their own libraries, not wlroots
this doesn't affect RHEL in any way, and GNOME is actually implementing support for Nvidia so what's your point?
this is peak Jow Forums - Idiots Talking About Shit They Don't Understand

>Until you support NVIDIA
That's the completely wrong attitude, fuckface. It;s completely up to Nvidia to support the existing APIs, not us to bend over backwards and suck their cock.
They claim to "support Wayland", but they fucking don't. They support EGLStreams, which is just some shitty garbage that nobody asked for.

>wayland wont support nvidia because of STALLMAN level aspergers "political" agenda
No.Even on AMD gear wayland is pure shit, lacks performance, and is a steaming pile of shit
>I, NVIDIA, have innovated in the tech industry for decades.
>oh no nvidia you are doing it WRONG you have to do it this way that we tell you
>fuck off kid, we innovate, we create, we dont use shit that fucks up performnace
Yeah, i dont see you ever gaining any leeway here

umm... what?
number of connectors doesn't equal number of monitors because you can daisy-chain DisplayPort 1.2
I should know, I use this at work
a cheap RX 550 and non-chinkshit monitors should work just fine

>Even on AMD gear wayland is pure shit, lacks performance, and is a steaming pile of shit
And you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Was the last time you used AMD in the fglrx days or some bullshit? AMD is extremely good on Linux.
I'm not going to specifically say they're "good on wayland", because they're good with fucking everything. Wayland compositors use exactly the same drivers that Xorg does.

>Yeah, i dont see you ever gaining any leeway here
Nvidia users are the fucking worst. We don't want to support/enabled entitled shiteaters like yourself too.

what level or autism are you on my dude?

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>enabled
enable*

I "upgraded" from a 480 gtx to a rx 250.
Worse decision in my life and i sent it back the very next day.

Still on that 480 gtx

>Nvidia users are the fucking worst
Wayland supporters are the fucking worst. They blatantly lie to you to get you to use their shitty wayland and then you get nothing fucked up rendering and artifacts.
You're just jealous of what NVidia has done and how you didnt think to do that originally.
AKA wayland devs cannot INNOVATE they only reproduce

>and non-chinkshit monitors
Well yeah, I could replace my monitors, but then I'm back in the lots of money zone. None of my screens have a DP connector, let alone two of them for daisy-chaining.

>rx 250
If you had bought that new, that's right on the cusp of when AMD went with their new amdgpu driver over radeon, before it had properly matured. You were slightly too early.
I've tested RX 550s, R9 270Xs, HD 7950s, HD 6950s, and they all are fucking great. The RX 550 is currently my main GPU.
>Wayland supporters are the fucking worst. They blatantly lie to you to get you to use their shitty wayland and then you get nothing fucked up rendering and artifacts.
>You're just jealous of what NVidia has done and how you didnt think to do that originally.
>AKA wayland devs cannot INNOVATE they only reproduce
This is all complete drivel. There is absolutely nothing worth refuting, because of how blatantly wrong and stupid it is.

>writing my own
Yeah, sure, you totally possess the knowledge to do that, you pretentious poser.

>I "upgraded" from a 480 gtx to a rx 250
>I upgraded from flagship gaming GPU to a low-end GPU used primarily to display the desktop
hahaha what?
you're actually retarded, aren't you?

what kind of monitors don't have fucking DP?
it's the cheapest connector because you don't have to pay royalties

>>what kind of monitors don't have fucking DP?
Ones I bought in like 2011?

>i cant provide any retort, but believe me you're wrong
Typical wayland dev

is this an attempt at trolling?
is pic related you?
because that's sad user, that' very very sad

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>I upgraded from flagship gaming GPU to a low-end GPU used primarily to display the desktop
I bought the gtx in 2010, when this system was built. I no longer needed a gaming gpu, so i went with the rx 250(2013), just enough to pre-render 1080p.

show me on the doll where wayland touched you

Bump. Please help.

Alright red alert, I need a serious answer. Got fired from my manufacturing job after getting a respiratory issue that isn't going away soon enough, and I'm balls deep in uninsured medical bills with more on the way because I'm trying to find a pulmonary specialist that takes patients without insurance. That's the end of the blog part.
So I've been learning the basics of html/css, and I have experience owning/managing two service businesses. Did logos, SEO, managed the website, advertised, so I know I can sell my services. But here's what I want to do, and I'd like to hear from folks who may know more about it, I'd (optimally) like to utilize html/css to design and develop websites for small compaies and other entities. What is probably most practical is to just do the estimate, use wix, whip out some shit real fast and profit.
Where do I start with this, because I need money, have half a brain, but can't do any sort of physical work, and would like to get on this as soon as possible.

zcat /proc/config.gz

On my system (Debian) its in /boot instead of /proc, look there if you don't see it

/proc is a virtual filesystem populated by the kernel, so it should be there no matter that the distro is.

There are 2 netcats. GNU's and BSD's. Which one is the not deprecated one?

Use the BSD one.

Thanks, I just looked it up and I will use the GNU one.

idk. Maybe Debian does something weird, wouldn't be the first time.

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this is wine
as you can see the fonts suck
installed core fonts with winetricks
what do

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I think you can manually override fonts in winecfg, but not idea as to the cause of this mess

Maybe it's related to this bug?
bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41639

Also, any reason why you need the windows version of counter-troll?

Doesn't that show the kernel config itself and not the currently active/loaded components?
Not true, you can enable kernel config access and explicitly disable the /proc entry. In that case you can use config extract script on your kernel. Script is provided with vanilla Linux archive.

>currently active modles
lsmod

>modles
modules*

hai friends! how to make a bootable ubuntu usb without losing all the data on my flash drive?

>i only have one flash drive (32 gb) and a laptop
>i cannot get rid of the files
>laptop is on ubuntu 16.04.5

is your flash drive FAT32?

no, ext3

Thanks, but that doesn't show the compiled-in parameters that are used, correct?

I'm trying to think of the best way to strip the kernel of everything unneeded for my actual PC.

Possible to do, but don't expect it to be a few clicks or one dd command
First you have to unpack the ISO on the flash drive then set up a bootloaders. Choices are.
-use exlinux shallowsky.com/linux/extlinux.html
-use grub legacy

>strip the kernel of everything unneeded for my actual PC
Use localmodcfg with modprobed-db

very helpful thanks

Thanks, I'll try!

weston, pleb. just apply this patch

diff --git a/shell.c b/shell.c.me
index b846e30..ffe5e48 100644
--- a/shell.c
+++ b/shell.c.me
@@ -4457,7 +4457,7 @@ switcher_key(struct weston_keyboard_grab *grab,
struct switcher *switcher = container_of(grab, struct switcher, grab);
enum wl_keyboard_key_state state = state_w;

- if (key == KEY_TAB && state == WL_KEYBOARD_KEY_STATE_PRESSED)
+ if (key == KEY_SPACE && state == WL_KEYBOARD_KEY_STATE_PRESSED)
switcher_next(switcher);
}

@@ -4949,7 +4949,7 @@ shell_add_bindings(struct weston_compositor *ec, struct desktop_shell *shell)
weston_compositor_add_button_binding(ec, BTN_MIDDLE, mod,
rotate_binding, NULL);

- weston_compositor_add_key_binding(ec, KEY_TAB, mod, switcher_binding,
+ weston_compositor_add_key_binding(ec, KEY_SPACE, mod, switcher_binding,
shell);
weston_compositor_add_key_binding(ec, KEY_F9, mod, backlight_binding,
ec);

that's for 4.0

gnome [or mutter] makes mpv micro stutter
wayland future imo is LXQt with kwin, E, sway or liri, tho weston is usable as well and is the one thing that works for sure - like that mpv gnome thing

why is right clicking in firefox like this in weston
it's the only xwayland thing that does it

would you consider switching super+tab to super+space for window switching, it's much easier

wayland is for way more than the laughably small desktop share desu
what do you think runs your navigation?

>No.Even on AMD gear wayland is pure shit, lacks performance, and is a steaming pile of shit
wrong weston, you know, the thing that comes with wayland, works fine, unlike sway which lags and is not quite usable afaik
t. ATi

>it works fine [on amd]
>but it doesn't actually
>also i don't use an amd card
good post

what

the minor issues are xwayland related fucktard
not gpu related

yeah i don't use amd, i use an even older card
how stupid do you feel rn

>you're correct
>bet you feel stupid now, huh
good
post

Not wayland thats for sure lol

>ATi =/= AMD
riight

>>reeeeee on AMD gear wayland is pure shit, lacks performance, and is a steaming pile of shit
>wayland works fine on my pre historic card
>>bet you feel stupid now, huh
i bet you do

how is that for sure?

Is there a way to get ubuntu but without all the bloat/extra crap?

It wouldnt run on anything.
Navigation is a heavily embedded system and wayland is bloat and feature creep for the sake of feature creep.No one would use it proffesionally

mini.iso installer

Will arch + gentoo have better wine performance than debian?
Am i wrong to assume newer package = better performance?

>what is ivi
you obviously know shit
as expected from a proud nVIDIOT

in the case of wine: no, the assumption is right.

>some no name irrelevant small project rivals RHEL somehow
K.

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wrong
arch have wine staging nine and dxvk easily available

Yes, it's called Debian.

>reading comprehension

I've lost all respect of Debian when they allowed Google and Microsoft to be their partners.

>RHEL is used for vehicle navigations
>wayland is bloat and feature creep for the sake of feature creep

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Im too brainlet to figure out how to get a good sources.list going with mesa drivers and unstable softwares

People who use RHEL are the same people who buy Helvetica.

>I've lost all respect of Debian when they allowed Google and Microsoft to be their partners.
Ubuntu isn't a single bit better.

>wayland devs
>lets do what nvidia does, but make it different!!!!
>introducing Wayland 1.0 The Car
>same thing that nvidia does, but we have square tires instead of round! CAUSE FUCK NVIDIA RIGHT LMAO

>mini system in UEFI mode

>While the minimal iso image is handy, it isn't useful for installing on UEFI-based systems that you want to run in UEFI mode. The mini iso lacks the proper files for booting the computer in UEFI mode. Thus, the computer will boot in BIOS compatibility mode, and the installation will be in BIOS mode.
Great. What do?

Try one of those "alternate install" ISOs? They are big, full featured ISOs but rather than booting into a live system with a gui installer they start a debian-style text interface installer with all of its options.

source

yet I forget: the alternate ISO is "marketed as" a server installer, but it can install any ubuntu desktop including xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu-mate etc. just fine.

Why does canonical threat their users as stupid

Anyone have an issue with certain xfce keyboard shortcuts not working in xubuntu?
It's only certain shortcuts that stopped working for no apparent reason this morning and I've tried resetting all the shortcuts and deleting the keyboard shortcuts xml. Don't know what to do, in all honesty.

Because ubuntu is linux for mental midgets

Fuuuuuuuuck

>Hear about DXVK for the first time a few days ago on Wendell's collab video in Linus' channel
>Decide to try it out even though I have a crappy GTX 760
>Click on the install script for Witcher 3 on Lutris, don't fiddle with any Wine settings at all and just let the script do its thing
>mfw I'm actually fucking running The Witcher 3 on my sub-par hardware on GNU/Linux at playable framerates

GOD DAMN.
PRAISE VULKAN !

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>drowners... gotta be

What frame rate would you get on windows

He didn't specify settings and he didn't give avg framerate over time, but if he's playing at medium I would expect around 40 when it's quiet and drops to 30 during combat on a 760.

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With the settings used in that screenshot, 50-60 FPS

Obviously it's not perfect but my jaw dropped that it's even playable. Having it translate DX11 instructions to Vulkan on the fly on an old GTX 760 and stay above 30 FPS is a miracle in my eyes.

On most other games I've tried that require DX11 and don't play well with wined3d's default, I've gotten smooth 55-60 FPS experiences (such as Endless Space 2 and Cuphead for example)

I've also been trying Lutris for the first time and it's a breeze to use. Much better than manually managing winebottles via the terminal

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