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Is Wayland the shit?
Jaxon Sanders
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Joshua Hernandez
yes.
X is absolute, unadulterated, pure fucking garbage, and I wholeheartedly welcome the advent of Wayland, or literally any other display server/protocol that comes along and takes X to the fucking gallows once and for all.
The model as a whole is extremely outdated, visibly inefficient, insecure, and it such a fucking mess of spaghetti code and extensions and life support that only a few people on the planet still understand how to actually maintain it. Their opinion on X? "Kill it with fire, please."
For a group of people that love to lambaste Windows users for having "babyduck syndrome", I've never seen more babyducks when it comes to the retards peddling the "x-xorg just werks" shit and spreading dumbfuck FUD about Wayland. (Of course, in all fairness, it doesn't help when all the distros out there wanted to be the first kids on the block to use Wayland and started pushing it out before it was 100% ready, leading to the average retarded joe to swear off of it.)
Similarly, for a group of people that jerk themselves off over software minimalism, there sure are a lot of people that love to suck the bloated dick of X. The same people who cry "Systemd does way too much for an init system!" seem to have no problem with all of the shit a display server shouldn't be doing, and they're too fucking retarded to understand that the Wayland protocol will eventually/has already gotten standardized extensions/addons for the sorts of shit they're bitching about (for instance, screensharing is now implemented under Pipewire, which on a side note, will kill another cancer, PA, eventually)
Simply put, and in simple user terms--X is responsible for a lot of the jankiness of the Linux desktop (as you'd expect of a display server that's been kept on life support for 30 years), and when Wayland is eventually adopted, it'll go a LONG way towards bringing Linux to the fucking 21st century.
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Good video on the subject.
Jaxon Thompson
How about simply "X works". Wayland has a lot of promise but it's not really ready for primetime yet. It's wonky if you don't like Gnome. And it's still missing basics like setting global hotkeys to control your music player without switching to its window.
Jayden Long
>Wayland protocol will eventually/has already gotten standardized extensions/addons for the sorts of shit they're bitching about
Any progress for being able to do the equivalent of X11 forwarding over ssh? It's nice sometimes to open a graphical program running on another machine.
Joseph Campbell
Nah, it's just shit.
10 years and WM authors still need to create monstrosities instead of composite managers to have basic functionality of X.
Logan Rodriguez
Is Wayland usable now? Do you use it?
Jeremiah Reed
It certainly is shit.
Aaron Campbell
>love to suck the bloated dick of X
Let's see, on X I have:
>External keyboard daemon (the one I like the most)
>External keyboard layout switcher
>External screenshooter (the best one for me)
>External clipboard manager
And so on. I don't even use external compositor as my drivers have great "TearFree" option (that doesn't work under Wayland, by the way).
Meanwhile on Wayland all this shit not only can't be switched for another but is part of the fucking compositing manager. That's the epitome of bloated shit.
Noah Hernandez
>no equivalent of xdotool
>"security risk"
Carter Jones
X is old but it works and it's stable. wayland fucking sucks right now but give it 30 years and it MIGHT be good as X