Wtf I love China now

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>chinese quarity crashes the market
>chinks now have a global monopoly on subpar shit
>probably embed spyware in them too
Ready the nukes

Label them currency manipulators and destroy their economy. I'm tired of cheap shit

>ready the nukes
>all the parts are chinese with embedded spyware
RIP

who ready for 16GB DDR5 sticks for $20 bucks like the good old days?

GOOKS AND BURGERS BTFO

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>Enormous part of local economy depends on micron
>Gooks make my already shit town even shittier
Oh good.

>competition driving the price down
>this is bad somehow
You goddamned communists.

>I'm tired of cheap shit

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It's a real mental gymnastic talking point now.
nakedcapitalism.com/2017/03/competition-china-reduced-innovation-us.html

>Jew
>doesn't want the cheapest shit
Dumbass

>need to buy 32gigs DDR4
>price is higher than CPU

China save us

There are already chink DDR4s on the market. Highest they can go is 2133 but still

I don't wanna buy chinkshit, just waiting when they will push prices to more reasonable levels

I like how the media is trying to normalize cartel behavior now.

>Doesn't want you to have cheap shit
>Wants to sell you expensive shit
You fucking mongoloids can't even read properly.

I would never buy a chink CPU

>korean ram manufacturers collude on prices for a few years
>chinks take the bait
>enter into dram market
>koreans reduce prices to pre-collusion levels
>chinks have to compete with 16gb sticks for $20
>chinese government has to bail chink dram manufactures out
>koreans have their years of price fixing profit
>also get payback for china supporting north korea
>chinks stuck with expensive and unprofitable dram manufacturers
>everybody in the west gets backdoored memory
literally everybody loses in this scenario

>chink subsidized low quality enter the markets
>companies cannot compete with chink lower wages, and subsidized companies
>quality drops across the board to compete with chinks.

late stage capitalism was a mistake

Are you Sherlock Holmes?

I'm probably a bit autistic if that's what you're asking

memory manufacturing is literally 100% automated

You're brain works in a wonderful way, my friend.

Will this even affect gpu prices? What about all the tariffs that are supposed to destroy electronics soon

it shouldn't affect gpu prices much if at all but ssds will come down in price

does not matter, chinks will cut corners chinks will be subsidized, and churn out lower quality components and fuck Koreans even if they price manipulate. The koreans will have to lower quality to chink standard to compete. Chink can lower quality standard + get government gibs.

Competition and innovation that drive prices down for consumers are great, but China just takes the asshole approach to everything. Through state-backed corporate espionage they rip off another company's R&D, then enter the market to produce cheaper DRAM because they didn't have to put in the investment to develop it.

nytimes.com/2018/06/22/technology/china-micron-chips-theft.html

Sounds great.

>>chinese government has to bail chink dram manufactures out
>>koreans have their years of price fixing profit
As proven by the 2015 meltdown of the chink market the CCP bailed out, they don't care to bankroll the shit out of their private/state enterprises if they have some sort of future
And their bankroll it's WAY higher than anything the Koreans can muster, and the US won't bankroll Micron
>Through state-backed corporate espionage they rip off another company's R&D
This isn't anywhere near enough to replicate modern chips since decades ago, the Soviets/Russians couldn't clone microprocessors anymore past the early 90's, and the chinks haven't been able to clone modern CPU's to the point they had to develop indigenous architectures
They IP thefts they been doing do give them a bit of extra possibilities to compete, but they do have to put in their own R&D muscle

you have an unhealthy obsession over china

all information and technologies should be free

t. lincucks commie

>says the guy using free software

>posts against china
>you have an unhealthy obsession


fuck off seething shill.

t. actual corporate welfare endorsing communist

>state-controlled company undercuts the market by dumping even cheaper chinkshit
>other producers that aren't backed by a state have to compete with the financial power of the Chinese government

Yea sure, nice competition you got there.

If Korea wanted to destroy China's electronics industry they could've done it at any time they controlled the NAND, LCD, and DRAM industry. The Chinese electronics industry would borderline collapsed because no one would be able to assemble in China, and the western electronics assembly market was the entire catalyst for the Chinese electronics industry.

being this afraid of china is unhealthy

>company cartel corners the market by dumping even cheaper gookshit
>other producers that aren't colluding have to compete with the financial power of the Jewish conglomerates
ftfy

>M-MUH CORPORATE WELFARE
You're the kind of retard who always moans on and on about the banks bailout without realizing the government forced them to make sub-prime loans as part of a poorly disguised black welfare program. Of course they fucking didn't pay shit back and of course banks are going to sell off debt that they know they can't collect on, it's normal operating procedure. And after the "bailout" the government quietly collected all that bailout money back plus interest and acted like the banks were the bad guys for doing what they were told under administrative threat from the US gooberment.

t. Goldman Sachs cocksucker
>You're the kind of retard who always moans on and on about the banks bailout
You know corporate welfare is bad whenever it's pushed by the corporations or by the government, right? Are you so much of a commie you can't imagine anything that doesn't involve the state?
>the government forced them to make sub-prime loans as part of a poorly disguised black welfare program
What a conveniently way to pretend the ones who pushed that program weren't GS people

>bought RAM yesterday
I did the right thing, avoiding chinese fakes.

will there be any survivors?

no

>under administrative threat from the US gooberment.
That Bush chappie was a thorough-going prick, right?

>disrupts your monopoly
Xixi, nothing personal white devils

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So, this means that SSD will be shittier, and RAM will be shittier?

It's a gook monopoly though

yes but you'll have 256GB of ram and 24TB of SSD for the same price

Meh.

It also means that the quality brands will have to stop price gouging to be able to compete.

And they all will drop qc to do this.

The Fire Rises
And shintel stock goes down

They don't need to drop qc to drop their ridiculous margins from price gouging

The media should just report on the news, instead of having biases.

Go away Soros

Media is a cartel

Oh I thought people buy western tech because they have high quality?

>yes but you'll have 256GB of ram and 24TB of SSD for the same price
Rigth

Luckily our nuclear system still runs on PDP-11s

>without realizing the government forced them to make sub-prime loans as part of a poorly disguised black welfare program
LOL, is that why pretty much everybody who was complaining about having taken out the shit loans back then was a white suburban type?

Intel has sold off all of its NAND fabs outside of china

Dumb commie, who else takes loans?

finally.

why can't we just make more China in China, so that good things become even more cheaper?

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I bet you've been very happy to pay $200 for decent DRAM

2/3 major memory fabs are south korean

China is shit and always will be.

when will the RAM prces drop? i have to get a new pc in the next months and i would be very happy to not spend 220 € on just ram alone.

Good. I want to see Samsung, Micron, and Hynix burn where they fucking stand.

Watching Intel absolutely shit its pants and get assraped by Ryzen is profoundly satisfying as well. If AMD maintains or builds their lead for a few years, they'll get cocky too just like Intel did, and Intel will come from behind and fuck them back. That will be satisfying as well.

It's absurdly great to see the cockiest, cuntiest fucks get beat down. Watching Hillary lose, and seeing her fanbase go absolutely ballistic was fantastic - if Trump loses 2020, the meltdown will be fucking delicious.

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Samsung and others have all had the backing and subsidisation of the Korean government, it's how they were originally able to undercut and undermine Japanese electronics companies.

All part of Korea's "fuck japan" policies.

>they are unironically, literally arguing that competition reduced innovation
Unbelievable

>3 companies control 90% of the global production for a component needed in almost literally every electronic device produced today
>they get together to start fixing prices at the expense of literally everyone else
>China is the only entity with enough resources to actually take them
>China is tired of getting fucked by them
>China fucks them back
Only a literal astroturfer or a boomer so marinated in propaganda that he believes the war on drugs was successful would think this is a bad thing.

You pick which one you are. It's your choice.

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they sell the shit you dimwit

>quality drops in Korean companies because Chinese labor is cheaper
I can't wrap my head around how that could make sense to you.

>Boss, boss! Chinese companies can pay their workers 1/2 the wages we pay!
>Mr Lee... machines make all our modules anyway. A 16GB module only costs $18 to produce, and less than 5% of that is based on human labor costs. We can just lower the price.
>Oh, okay boss.

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This
We need to stop funding China and produce our shit there

>the government forced them to make sub-prime loans as part of a poorly disguised black welfare program
... you don't really believe that, do you?

>how should we provide welfare for black communities?
>I know, let's bury them in debt for non-income earning assets like buying an extra house!

Unless you meant a poorly disguised fuck-over-poor-people-and-maybe-they'll-finally-die program, in which case that's bullshit but I believe it.

You're a big RAM.

What the fuck part of "price gouging" do you not understand? If a memory module costs $20 to produce, and they were selling it (at a healthy profit, btw) for $60, then decided they could start fixing prices and sell it for $160 instead, where in that equation would they have to drop quality to go back to pre-price-fixing levels?

Is the quality higher now that they're price fixing? No? Then why would quality go down when they stop?

No denying that. It's an authoritarian, corrupt shithole. But it's an authoritarian, corrupt shithole that's about to shove it's massive chink dick up the ass of the three cunt organizations that have been fucking the entire world by fixing memory prices.

So, eh, fuck em.

Then go ahead and put up the $100 million+ it takes to start up a DRAM fab.

We'll wait.

not soon

Within the next 5 years, and almost definitely more than 1 year from now.

>make more China in China

But that's literally what millions of Chinese couples do every day

This. Only an idiot hates cheap shit from Asia. With cheap products, everyone benefits, except for a handful of Jews who lose undeserved profits, but still have more than enough.

youre giving the state WAYYY too much credit here
>bank:I cannot give you this loan it would bury you in debt
>govt: racist! redliner! give out those loans!
then try to bake those loans into derivatives and have govt workers pensions tied to it too!

kuomintang, japs n gooks are western now?

its like none of your heard about the new tariff on the chinese lmao

Literally everything is already made in china anyway. China would have already installed spyware on almost every smartphone in existence at this point. Every fucking macbook fucking everything. Its nothing new the difference is big greedy corporations arent selling things at top US dollar

Can't wait for the eternal BSOD and ram sticks having only 2GB of actual RAM when being sold as 8GB.

>>koreans reduce prices to pre-collusion levels
>literally everybody loses in this scenario
Seems like consumers win though.
>>everybody in the west gets backdoored memory
*Everybody in the world has been getting free hardware backdoors in all their electronics for years.
FTFY

> Competition and innovation that drive prices down for consumers are great, but China just takes the asshole approach to everything. Through state-backed corporate espionage they rip off another company's R&D, then enter the market to produce cheaper DRAM because they didn't have to put in the investment to develop it.

Maybe those companies shouldn't go full retard when it comes to production and getting bought out by the Chinese. The short-term profit from cheaper production is going to fuck them over in the long-term. Chinese are well-known for IP theft.

That's like using a well-known pedophile as your babysitter, just because he's cheaper, and then complain afterwards that your children got molested.

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>memory chip
>cpu
Are you retarded?

>Through state-backed corporate espionage they rip off another company's R&D, then enter the market to produce cheaper DRAM because they didn't have to put in the investment to develop it.
Based. If only they would do this to Intel.

The price fixing gooks deserve to get raped by the big chink cock

>Implying everything isn't already made in China

>state-owned
So socialism saves the day once again, huh...

>Ready the nukes
do they sell those on alibaba?

in 6~ months we'll probably be at early 2017 levels

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Taiwan is different

>implying everything isn't already made in japan

Well yeah, making cheap shit has always been a part of industrialization of countries, it moved from Germany to US to Japan to Taiwan to Korea and now to China, doesn't mean they are going to make cheap shit forever.

In fact I'm pretty sure Vietnam and Malaysia is going to be the next countries that makes the majority of cheap shit.

Yes.
Socialism works if you treat your citizens as slaves and create entire economy around theft.

>other producers that aren't backed by a state
Samsung is literally the Korean government.

>entire economy around theft
But that's just how capitalism works, user.

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>everybody in the west gets backdoored memory
stop pretending like this isn't already the case, the us is not some freedom loving entity that would never backdoor your shit.