You are happy making tech that destroy jobs...

Nobody is entitled to a particular job. If your job has been automated then it means your current professional skillset is useless and you need to retrain rapidly.That is nobody's problem but yours.

Every journo and other personality hyping that automation takes all jobs needs to be publicly shamed and dunked into pool of diarrhea, denied antibiotics and shower, and hope they get flesh eating bacteria infection. They are just that stupid.

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This. Eventually, there will be a need for a universal basic income. The question is, despite the need, will the governments implement them? I think no. And then we've arrived at a point where people feel so lost (if you don't have work, no money, no goal in life), a conflict is probably gonna occur.

>you are happy making tech that destroy jobs ?
Yes, because this leads to new jobs and innovation.

>How society survive if everybody are unemployed because automation and artificial intelligence.
People tend to innovate and create new markets when old ones die. This is the beauty of capitalism.

>not knowing what creative destruction is

This. Fuck your neoluditism, faggot.

Automation wont kill that many jobs.

If you were ever in a highly automated factory you'd see shit breaking down every sec. Especially if its working 24/7.

I thought full unemployment was an end-goal. It definitely is for me. If I could automate everything menial and onerous in my personal life to have more time for things I actually enjoy, or at the very least are satisfying and rewarding, that would be something to aim for.

Then theres no need for a proletariate, why would the super-rich who own the robots support us plebs, they'd just let us all die.

>Automation wont kill that many jobs.
All of transportation. All of retail. Most of the service.

When machines do all (or even most) the jobs that people do, there will have to be some sort of UBI implemented, or there will be billions of hungry, desperate people.

Those in power know that when the masses become hungry and desperate, people will eat the rich. UBI will cost a small portion of their wealth, but will ensure that humanity remains peaceful.

>All of transportation.
Some people will still probably prefer to be transported by other people.

>All of retail.
People tend to enjoy to speak to other people for advice and help, although cashiers will be completely replaced yes.

nah man the rich will unleash killer robots to wipe us out, or nuke us, spread plague and shit.

>there will have to be some sort of UBI
I think that is what he means by "not enough jobs".

There is going to be a lot of pain between now and when enough jobs are automated to the point where UBI is feasible.

Without plebs working for shit-many years, the rich wouldn't have robots. If they won't support when the time has come for ubi, riots will occur. 5 billion plebs ready to kill those who still needlessly oppress them.

>this leads to new jobs and innovation
Wages have been stagnant for 20 years and automation (combined with outsourcing) is partially responsible.

who cares.

why don't the people of North Korea rise up and kill their dictator? it's not as simple as it seems.

>Some people
And some people are still using horses nowadays.
Ok,
>All
was exaggeration, but my point still stands.

The most interesting thing about people is how they will always offer an opinion on things they know nothing about. It's odd, you would expect someone not to yap their mouth off on a subject they know they have limited knowledge on, yet here we are, both with journalists and Jow Forums.

>Wages have been stagnant for 20 years
In the US, yes. Not here. Salaries in my country are at an all-time high since the recession, and has more than tripled since 1980 (when adjusted for inflation)

>automation (combined with outsourcing) is partially responsible.
That and because you keep voting for politicians that give businesses and rich people tax cuts on profit, while clinging on to the false hope the politicians give about bringing dead jobs back. There's a reason why the US still have doormen and elevator operators and coal shovlers, you are refusing to adapt.

More likely is that some form of population control will be implemented.
Deleting the majority of the human population will have far reaching consequences beyond simple unrest.

Well, based on the popularity of farmer's markets etc I seriously doubt that all retail will die out, since people like to feel trendy and nostalgic and retro etc. But yeah, most people will have to find new jobs.

workers skill is rising every year which means after a while all low skill jobs (factories, mining, drivers, taxis, etc) will have a workers shortage that will be replaced with robots.
robots do the shit wage jobs and humans do everything else

Outside countries prop up the regime because it is advantageous to China and Russia to have a "no man's land" there.

Without aid and shit, NK would have collapsed ages ago.

>in my country
You have to name your country.
Protip: If it's a poor country it's because jobs have been outsourced to you, and as wages increase there will be a greater incentive to automate those positions.

>American politics are retarded
Tell me something I don't know.

> How society survive if everybody are unemployed
We can't do this yet.

What we can do is automate repetitive jobs. Driving a tractor around a field. Putting product a into its packaging. Summing up account data. Moving water around and through the fibers of laundry.

And fuck yes, it all should be automated away, or we can never even think about spending our time with better activities than that.

The only enemy people maybe have is income inequality, but that's for nations to solve. Companies generally won't.

>You have to name your country.
Norway

>Tell me something I don't know.
Just pointing out that automation may kill unskilled labour, but the overall development of the economy is usually because of politics.

Right, but the vast mjority of North Koreans are brainwashed and controlled to the point that they love their leader, and if anyone tried to overthrow their dictator they would likely see them as the bad guys and stop them. Plenty of people who defected from North Korea have stated they hold no ill-will towards the government, one person even said they are afraid to think negative thoughts because Kim Jung Un can read minds.

What happens when the workforce swells? Wages drop.
Do not forget that there was a time when having a high school diploma meant you were a step above a significant portion of the workforce.

>we have machines that will do all work for us
>How will society evolve

By switching off the paradigm that only people who work are allowed to live.

>Norway
Dude, your entire economy is based on exporting fish and oil. Your current growth can be attributed to industrialization picking up in shit countries which increases the demand for oil. Just wait until it starts to dry up, or someone makes some breakthroughs in green energy.
That being said, Norway is probably the best example of how to handle oil money. That national stock/bond fund you have is genius.

> Do not forget that there was a time when having a high school diploma meant you were a step above a significant portion of the workforce.
What's there to forget? People must get training that makes it possible for them to operate fleets of mining robots, do the usual maintenance on them or equivalent. Or even design and manufacture mining robots.

Else you're going to do something simpler based on a bunch of week's speciality training, right?

The main issue is if you Ameristan it and don't largely fund education with government money, but essentially demand that the now unemployed largely fund it themselves.

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Well, Switzerland is doing okay too.

Inb4 muh banking. It's less than 15% of GDP and less than 10% of jobs IIRC. Substituting the banking jobs with more of the rest wouldn't make our economy shit.

Is something like that really possible on a global scale?

Education lacks behind pretty much everywhere in the world. Just throwing money at it won't change a thing. there needs to be a change of methodology, a whole new approach to how people should be learning, in order to fix that.

You want people to be interested in learning something. Not let it feel like a chore, because they know 90% of what they learn, they have no use for in their expected field.

but humans get depressed and kill themselves when their lives are bland, easy and choiceless

My point is that the definition of "low skill" changes and jobs that pay well today may not in the future due to market saturation.

>guys need training to operate fleets of robots
Yeah. A few guys need training. The robots do the work of 100 men while a dozen technicians keep them running. The other 88 guys have to compete for other jobs along with everyone else that was recently laid off.

>people promising 3 day work weeks "soon" thanks to computers in the 70
>almost 50 years later, still "soon"
>be single and living modestly
>Realize I can work just 3 days a week and still have money left over just fine
>Much happier, more time for personal projects

Stop working so much, It's unhealthy.

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Our fish export is minimal compared to our aliminium and chemical industry. We also have a lot of gas. Oil is actually not profitable anymore and hasn’t been for around 15 years. Currently all expansion projects are on hold because the oil cost more to pump up than we can sell it for.

The reason, as you mentioned, is because of our “pension fund”, which has invested in businesses and industry abroad for several decades. Oil hasn’t been profitable for a long time, and our oil fund is actually heavily invested in green technology and energy companies. That’s the beauty of it, it’s not simply savings, it’s invested broadly in many different industries and fields.

But we also sane regulations on banks so people can’t loan themselves bankrupt and a social safety net and strong worker rights, as well as high tariffs on foreign goods and products. Outsourcing and offshoring is heavily penalised through taxes and demands for foreign worker rights.

if only those shitty fake news knew that i am working on tech that should replace reporters and journalists.

Some people deserve to not have jobs. MSM fiends are the on the first row.

no one is happy about this but the 0.1% who are hoarding 99.9% of the worlds wealth. not coincidence these people also control all mass media platforms which have been shitting out propaganda about the wonders of the future of robotics and ai and potential jobs in IT as a result of this automation boon. as if the increase in IT jobs will somehow make up for the displacement in workforce caused by robotics. the whole point of automation is cutting out people. make no mistake. this is all about increasing profits for the exceedingly rich and leaving the rest of us to fend for ourselves.

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What about humans that do not think, but act?

Pumping up oil from the North Sea that is. In the US, oil is profitable because of cheap extraction (fracking)

You would do god's work user. Carry on!

Rockefeller got rich by making pipelines and undercutting competitors, not just selling oil.

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Lel Switzerland makes a ton of money operating as a money laundering operation. They import shitloads of gold/jewels and simply resell them at a markup. I don't believe that's going to last forever.

>penalizing outsourcing
Good in the short term but bad in the long run. You have to compete with other nations and the pressure will only increase as other countries try to,muscle in on your buisness. What are you going to do when a largely automated Chinese outfit starts offering aluminum products to your clients at half the price?

China already does this but trump and eu has increased tariffs for China so it’s all good

>What are you going to do when a largely automated Chinese outfit starts offering aluminum products to your clients at half the price?
Also, our aluminium industry is almost fully automated already. Since the industry couldn't import cheap labour or outsource it to factories abroad, they were forced to be inventive instead.

It seems like all jobs are either full time, or low-skill part time.

Kill yourself you faggot. You live in an oil country.

Actually, the only countrys currently getting rich from oil are the OPECs and USA.

See

>Lel Switzerland makes a ton of money operating as a money laundering operation
Again, less than 10% (looked it up, seems like ~6.8%) of people work in the financial sector. And they're not anywhere close to carrying the economy. Nor do they "trickle down" their wealth all that much or whatever, no.

>oil hasn't been profitable for 15 years.
The economy was built using the previous oil profits. Norway would be just another backwater shithole without them. Your idiotic statement is like saying, "yeah I had a trustfund I bought my house and car with but that dried up last month so I'm self-made." Again, kill yourself.
>Switzerland
Must be nice being a microstate that doesn't have to pay for big boy stuff like defense since you're safe under somebody else's nuclear umbrella.

You europukes make me sick. Nobody gives a fuck about your frozen 8 months out of the year, 4 hour a day sunlight shitholes. If I wanted that, I'd move to Alaska. Another place with oil that gives yearly dividends to citizens. Instead I'd much rather chill here in Florida. In my condo a couple of miles from the beach. Enjoying NEET life where in dead winter, the most I have to do is break out the long sleeve t-shirts. Oh, and before you start flapping your dickbeaters, I have health insurance.

Fully automated luxury communism in the near future

>The economy was built using the previous oil profits
Correct.

>Norway would be just another backwater shithole without them.
Well, so would the US, retard, or any other currently industrialised country. They didn't start out industrialised. The US didn't just magically develop a consumer-based tertiary economy, that happened after industrialisation in the 40s and 50s.

Also, we have profitable industry that isn't oil, you retard.

Good then we can agree that Norway is an oil country and so isn't a legitimate example of what a non-oil country should be compared to as they are completely incomparable. Going back to the trust fund example, it's like saying, why don't you drive a Porche like me? Well, I'm not sitting on barrels of free money like you are. Do you get it, now, dumbass? The really funny thing is non-oil countries like the US have created gigantic wealth and distributed it to hundreds of millions of people unlike pathetic Norway that barely supports a few million and barely does better despite sitting on quasi-literal barrels of cash. Hell, the quality of life difference between the US' 300mm and Norway is a rounding error. For that matter, the human development index here is higher than, e.g., Sweden, a country comparable to Norway except for the oil. Imagine that.

>The other 88 guys have to compete for other jobs along with everyone else that was recently laid off.
Yes, but it's also usually the case that total output goes up, apart from requiring far less man-hours. And the other 88 people also have a chance to produce something else.

In the end, in terms of real productivity there will be more to distribute.

You only get a very poor result if the only method to participate in the productivity is being employed and the 88 people have no real chance of getting employed.

>new jobs that didn't existed five years ago are now thriving
>being a twitch whore
>being a pro gamer
>being a youtuber
>being a social media manager for some company
>being a internet marketing specialist
>being a SEO marketing guy
>making android aps
>making games on steam
>making furry porn shit
>being a youtuber for conservatives (peterson)
>making game engines
>making game assets
>making memes for degenerates on Jow Forums
>making T shirt drawings of pony shit

Nah nigger, capitalism is the best system.

>Good then we can agree that Norway is an oil country
The argument was literally "but just you wait until oil isn't profitable anymore", and I'm telling you that it hasn't been for 15-20 years.

>and so isn't a legitimate example of what a non-oil country should be compared to as they are completely incomparable
It is comparable to any industrialised country that has vast amount of natural resources, i.e. the US of A.

>Going back to the trust fund example, it's like saying, why don't you drive a Porche like me?
>Well, I'm not sitting on barrels of free money like you are. Do you get it, now, dumbass?
This is a non-sequitur, you stupid shit. The argument was that automation and capitalism has caused wages to be stagnant for 20 years, which is only true for the US. Other industrialised countries, that aren't ridden in debt like the US and Italy and Greece, have a blooming economy.

>the really funny thing is non-oil countries like the US have created gigantic wealth and distributed it to hundreds of millions of people unlike pathetic Norway that barely supports a few million and barely does better despite sitting on quasi-literal barrels of cash
You've squandered it all on tax cuts and military, causing a massive budget deficit. That's why you all are poor shits.

>For that matter, the human development index here is higher than, e.g., Sweden, a country comparable to Norway except for the oil. Imagine that.
Sweden currently has a massive immigration crisis and more than 15% of it's population on welfare programmes (mostly immigrants), that's why Sweden isn't doing so well.

Also, the HDI is a bullshit metric anyway.

>Must be nice being a microstate that doesn't have to pay for big boy stuff like defense since you're safe under somebody else's nuclear umbrella.
Pft. Our own internal security doesn't need all the crap we have. We *only* need to have a still fairly srs defense budget because we need a basic deterrent in terms of life expenditure against overly armed neighbours who currently mind to expend that life [and partly forfeit the use of Switzerland's infrastructure and skills].

Also if anyone has a nuclear "umbrella", it's us with our nuclear shelters that we built for everyone. Some others have a nuclear punch and counter-punch genocide capability, which is maybe somewhat effective in terms of MAD, but still the less friendly way to spend money on about the same scale.

Precious metals, gems, and pearls make up 33% of Switzerlands imports and 28% of their exports. It's money laundering and it isn't counted as part of the financial sector.

>everyone else has a booming economy!
No they don't you oilnigger. Wages in Germany and France are stagnating as well. The EU as a whole has had very poor growth for years now.

>Wages in Germany and France are stagnating as well
I don't know about France, but they definitively aren't in Germany.

>The EU as a whole has had very poor growth for years now.
Because of the recession, you fucking underaged zoomer. Which was bad for Spain, Greece and Italy which had way too much debt (and still do). But they're out of that now, and the economy has been back on track for several years because based Merkel imposed a bunch of demands on those countries and pulled them out of misery.

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Also:
tradingeconomics.com/germany/wages
Click the MAX to see data from back in 1990s

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>they aren't in Germany
Tradingeconomics says you're wrong.

>Tradingeconomics
Oh really?

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Look at the real wage growth chart, moron. That one does not account for inflation and the cost of living.

>not account for inflation
It literally says that it is adjusted for inflation on the site. Also on this site: >the cost of living.
Nobody except americans calculate wage growth adjusted for cost of living, that's the worst jewish trick I've ever heard!!!

Is that how your politicians are tricking you into believing that the US economy is going well? If you adjust for wage growth for cost of living, then Greece has the highest salaries in the world.

They will create robot to repair other robots and you can do nothing against that.

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>That one does not account for inflation and the cost of living.
It definitively does:

bruegel.org/2013/05/german-wages-grow-faster-than-euro-area-average-spring-2013-review/

You really are retarded. If the cost of living increases faster than wages do then people become poorer.
This is the chart you should be looking at.
tradingeconomics.com/germany/wage-growth

Seems like you're more or less right with the fraction of Imports/exports.

But like the electronics and pharmaceuticals and the other big[ger] businesses it's just properly accounted-for trade in one sector that someone also has to do [and Switzerland is best at it and keeping the required trust, apparently]. Or do you assert pharmaceuticals and electronics also are just a money-laundering scheme?

ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home/topics/swiss-foreign-trade-statistics/daten/waren.html

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What part of this looks like stagnation to you?

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Ah, only americans
>A robot has taken my job, now I don't have to work!
vs
>A robot has taken my job, now I'll have to find a new one!

Wouldn't americans be more like
>A robot has taken my job, now I need to vote for Trump so he can bring coal jobs back and ban those stupid robots!

Yes but ID be more happu y if it destroyed the people too instead of me ending up paying gibs for genetic deadends

I do pleb tech (work in IT)

Dude I read it in on gizmodo that we're 5 years away from reaching the singularity so clearly you don't know what you're talking about.

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Literally all of those existed in 2013 and many even in 2008

>10 years is a lot of time for history
ok underage.

IT isn't going away any time soon.
It's gonna change, and if you're on old school sysadmin or network admin you'll be mostly obsolete in 10 or so years, but there's a real need for it and there will be for the foreseeable future.

You'll have to keep your skills updated.

>you need to retrain rapidly.
So what when there is literally nothing left that humans are suited to doing?

They started thriving recently

>if you don't have work, no money, no goal in life
one of he most toxic ideas brought about in modern life.

That's people being people, that's not a soulless retail job.

>that didn't existed