/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>Create a part list
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>Learn how to build a PC
Search youtube for a build guide for your socket

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses; eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (eg photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
>Don't use Speccy. Use HWinfo, SIV, etc.

CPUs
>R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming(dGPU optional)
>R5 2400G - Consider IF on sale
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>i7-8700K - Best for 1080p gaming, but most expensive when factoring in delid, cooling, etc.
>R7 2700/X - Best high-end gaming/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

Motherboards
>For Intel, only Z300 series boards can utilize fast memory

RAM
>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal

Graphics cards
>Avoid cheap models ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS duals, and others which have small heatsinks and low quality fans
>Only consider AMD GPU if you plan on getting an upcoming HDR monitor
1080p
>RX 570/580 /w Freesync or 1060 6GB are standard 1080p 60fps+ options
>1050Ti or RX560 for lower settings, or older games
>GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 if seeking higher fps & you have a CPU+monitor to match
1440p
>Vega 56 /w Freesync, 1070Ti if you already have Gsync
>GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher fps & you have a CPU+monitor to match
2160p(4K)
>Titan V or upscale from 1440-1800p
OpenCL work
>Vega 64

Storage
>Backup before using StoreMi
>Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard

Monitors
>Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models.
>Always consider FreeSync with AMD cards
>___sync is important for slower response time monitors (IPS)
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING

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Motherboard doesn't really affect performance more than 1% at stock settings.
What CPU were you looking at?
Fast RAM, namely low true latency, does make a pretty huge difference, and only Z370 boards support fast memory. So cheapest Z370 is an option for an i5-8400 if that's what you were considering to get more out of it with faster RAM, however at that point you may as well be getting a 2600/X instead.
With AMD CPUs, you can run fast memory on a B450 board instead of needing X470.

Eh really?
The highest end GTS is 1405MHz base, 1425 boost.
Lowest end GTS is 1366 base, 1386 boost.
Highest end GTR(-S) is 1430MHz base, 1450MHz boost.
Lowest end GTR is also 1366 base, 1386 boost. But it's GTR, not GTR-S.

There is some overlap, but GTR-S is clearly their high end and GTS the mid-range that does creep into higher end.
I've heard mediocre things about the GTS fans and heatsink as well.

1080p? 1440p? 75hz? Higher?
Well if you're doing video editing, 2700X is a pretty easy choice unless you'd rather sacrifice quality faster encoding with quicksync. And 1440p or 4k is helpful with video editing and productivity in general. And you'd probably want an IPS, right...?

Anime is for faggots

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Trying to build a really, really good gaming PC for just around $1000. What do you think? Can something like this run basically any modern game at full settings at 60FPS? In particular I wonder about the motherboard, I know the OP says Z300 is preferable but is a B360 really that much of a downgrade? And is it ok the RX 580 is also a 4GB?

You know where to go back to faggot

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repostan from last thread
How big is the shift from a 24" 1080p to a 27" 1440p monitor?
I'm planning on buying a 2nd 27" monitor and use it in conjunction with my current 24" 1080p one. I already know what monitor to look for, what refreshrate it needs to have, what kind of panel it should be (tn, va, ips) etc,
What I'm more concerned about is having to change sitting distance from monitors, having to adjust Fov in games, learning to work on documents with the extra screen space, adjust scaling, setting up a vesa mount or just use the original monitor's stand, use hdmi or buy a displayport cable, so on and so forth.
Is there anyone that has such a setup. Is it hard to work with or get used to? Are 27" 1440p worth it or are 32"+ 4k panels a better choice?

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>AMD has still not given a single bit of info on consumer 7nm products
>all the signs point to the fact global foundries is not even going to have 7nm volume production until mid-2019

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Ok so my current case allows for one 120mm slim fan on the bottom for intake. The system runs well enough but I'd like to reduce load temps. I have enough room above the PSU around the back vents for 2 40mm fans to act as exhaust. However, the intake fan is using an ultra low noise adapter bringing in 46,5 m3/h. I could switch it to the LNA instead for 70,8 m3/h. My question is, what's more worthwhile, adding the exhaust fans or just upping the intake rate? So far the only real exhaust is the PSU.

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Just change where you monitor is.
Put is 10% further back and it'll appear the same size.
Adjust DPI scaling to make that around the same.
Or don't. Have it be closer and higher FOV, no dpi scaling.

There's lots of options, but yes there will be some small adjustment.

4Gb is fine enough for 1080p. I'd get the XFX model for I think $5 more, though.

Why are you getting an 8700k with 2400MHz RAM?
A 2600X with faster RAM would be the same performance as a 8700k with RAM that slow.
Either get faster RAM that isn't going to hold the 8700k back, or get a lesser CPU.
Also you have an unlocked CPU on a locked board. You generally need a board in the $160+ range to OC the 8700k.

Just preordered the Radeon WX 8200 to replace my Frontier Ripoff edition, it's gonna be a long time until we can get our hands on 7nm GPUs.
I just hope Ryzen 7nm will get going quickly and without many hiccups.

Q2 or Q3 was the expectation for Zen2 consumer for a while, wasn't it?

upping intake will be more beneficial. 40mm fans are nothing.

No, it was always Q1, but the fact GF wont even be taping out their process until the end of 2018 means we should not expect 7nm consumer products to be available until the end of Q2 or Q3 at the earliest

>My question is, what's more worthwhile, adding the exhaust fans or just upping the intake rate?
It's exactly the same. You can't exhaust more air then you can bring in and you can't bring in more air than you can exhaust. Now if you have a larger fan for the intake then sure go intake, but otherwise it's the same.

Think about it, let's say you had all exhaust and no intake. The air has to come from somewhere and the fans still move the same amount of air. Or if you had all intake, the air has to go somewhere. The PC isn't going to explode because the air still goes out of all the cracks/exhaust ports.

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My system is reaching 10 years old and I'm looking to update to something more powerful.
I have zero interest in gaming on this system and am only looking for performance on the rest of the system(compiling,running servers)
This is what i have come up with thus far.
What i need assistance with is i want to get a nice 30" 4k 144hz monitor(SoonTM) to add to my two 24 1080p's so i have a way to watch 4k content. I know the 11X0's are coming out "Soon", but they will be out of my budget.
I'm not looking to buy now,maybe within 3 months

Which are less noisy and cooler between sapphire and XFX (500) series?

Threadripper has just been updated with the 2950x model which is better and should cost about the same so I'd hold out for that. And If you really only need the GPU to fill the screens and don't game or render on them a 1050ti will do 4k just fine.

So why bother with intake and exhaust at all? Why not just have all fans doing one or the other?

just opened my pc because I vaguely remembered that I have too much wires and I wanted to organize them
but
>tfw your case could be three times smaller but you don't care because you have a large table
>tfw you have so much space inside you wouldn't even need a case fan

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Because it makes for a more complete looking build and helps make sure you're effectively moving air from every location (i.e having a fan on the side to directly cool the GPU). Honestly I haven't tested this in a PC case (I have 9 fans in my Define S). I grow weed in a grow tent where you only need an exhaust or intake. I can't imagine why the logic would be different though.

You've also gotta worry about obstructions like drive cages and making sure your fans are actually powerful enough to reach everything (i.e a 40mm intake reaching the back of a ATX case.

That's great advice, thank you. So if I get more ram for the 8700, it should generally have a great performance, right?

Building Mini-ITX Gaming rig, $900USD Budget. This selection was suggested for me, any comments/criticisms?

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>2950x
Didnt even look. WIll look in to it
>gaming or render
Yes, just pre-rendered 4k.
Forgot to mention the monitors are hdmi, will the 1050ti be able to render dp+2 hdmi or 3 hdmi at the same time?

I literally dont know anthing about building a pc and have a budget of about 300-400USD. Mostly for gaming, but i plan on streaming/editing videos. Help/recommendations plz D: Also not from america.

>and have a budget of about 300-400USD.
Not worth it. Buy a console or save up $200 for a half decent build. I'm sure you could put together something for $400 USD, but it won't be good. That's ultra low end.

oh yeah, i forgot, the 1050ti isn't exactly rich in i/o. You'll need a 1060 or RX570 then, they usually come with 3 DP and 1 HDMI. Or go with one of the really entry level Quadros or Radeon Pros, they have plenty of display ports.

I want something thats able to run games in medium, such as skyrim/borderlands

Dang, i'll keep it in mind

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does this build look decent??? anything i should change or be careful about?

>he thinks that a guy with this budget has enough money to pay for games
yeah skyrim and borderlands should be fine

My main rig just smoked so I´m pretty sure it´s dead.
I was trying to install a new HDD but there was something with the cable or something. I was using a cable that could power 2 drives. Now I already had 2 drives installed so when I installed the 3rd one I used a PSU cable that could power 4 drives. I think that cable came from a RM1000 Corsair PSU. I´m using the Seasonic MX12II PSU.

What went wrong?

I think the mobo if not dead is heavily damaged. I let the electrical fault continue because I thought it was the dust that blew away (while working on the PC I blew the dust away a few times)
What parts are killed for sure?

Is now a good time to build a pc?

I'm willing to spend up to a grand but i'd prefer to spend around £600 ish because I don't need a powerful pc, I just want to use it to hoard rare arthouse film, watch livestreams and play the odd game (WoW) when I feel like it

Nigga that's rude

If you aren't building a PC specifically for performance gaming, it's never a bad time to build a PC since older, weaker parts are getting cheaper all the time. For what you want to do you can probably build an appropriate rig for a good deal less than 600 britbongbux (or even just buy a prebuilt and get more than what you're asking for).

Confused at this response...is it bad to combine these?

Hi I need help building a gaming and streaming computer
Budget is 1500$ usd but I can go to 2000$ if i have to
Mostly streaming games like monster Hunter world, arc survival evolved, stupidly heavily modded fallout4, and of course it's be used to edit all the videos

pls respond

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I think i'll just commit and spend a grand, I really want to build one as well because it seems fun and interesting

So where does a 100% retard start? It seems as if the graphics card (gtx 1070/ti) is where most of the money goes, do I build around that?

Is it generally possible to remove dumb IO covers? Especially ASUS ROG STRIX X470-F seems otherwise pretty decent but the retarded IO cover needs to go.

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This is more a question strictly on overclocking a gpu. I'm trying to find the sweet spot on my evga 1070 sc. In precision oc, I try to add 150mhz to the clock and it's going up to 2130 in game. Set the power target to 110%. What am I doing wrong?

Bump

Let me know if you just don´t know please.

There are multiple possible causes for that person to have responded in that manner:
>He's an AMD loyalist, which is pretty common for this general since their CPU's are really good for the price
>You want to buy a high-end CPU in the 8700k, but aren't willing to at least go for a 1070ti
but most likely
>You plan on buying those parts just as they're about to become outdated
Just get a 2nd gen Ryzen and a cheap graphics card like a 1050ti then wait for the 20xx series to roll out over the next year. Then, you can upgrade your GPU next year so that your whole rig is up-to-date. With this done, you won't have to upgrade for a good few years at least.

Same goes for you, with this plan you'd spend about 1000 burgerbux on a PC that does what you want, then you can spend another 300 burgerbux in a year and be able to play the most recent games with great performance.

One SATA port seems burned out, any help would be really appreciated.

Can you recommend me 3rd case fan for Define C? It came with 2 Fractal Design gp 12 fans. I'm planning to add 3rd fan as 2nd fan for front. Is Fractal Design gp 14 good?

Nitro has the better heatsink and cooler. I said that if you follow the comment chain to the previous thread.

I said faster, not more.
Uh you could do something like 8700 non-k, cheap z370 board, and 3200 CL16 RAM.

I think Nvidia cards generally do 4 screens? 2 at 4k?
Idk. AMD has always been far better with multiple screens support especially since GCN which supported 6.
Even the 2200G supports 4x 4k screens.

It's generally difficult for me to find the display support specs for Nvidia cards.

DO NOT interchange modular cables between PSUs. There should be a warning not to do that supplied with both those PSUs.

We aren't sure. There is a 25% tariff on China imports happening soon which'll probably drive up prices. RAM looks like it's staying at this constant rather high price. Though new GPUs are launching in a couple of weeks it'd seem. Though could be months. Who knows?

It's not a terrible time to buy one now. Decent boards are cheap. CPUs are cheap. SSDs are cheap. PSUs are cheap. It's just RAM that's high and GPUs are so-so.

>It seems as if the graphics card (gtx 1070/ti) is where most of the money goes, do I build around that?
Depends on your goal.
1070Ti or Vega56 you'd generally get for a 1440p build as they're largely overkill for 1080p.
But 1440p monitors are a lot more expensive and you'd need more like a $1400-$1700 budget for that.
You can do a 1080p 144hz build with an RX580 and 2600X for around $1050.

Likely that:
a. 8700k is way more CPU than you need for a 1070. A 2600X is more than sufficient. Even a 2400G or i5-8400 isn't going to bottleneck it.
b. 9700k is coming later this year.

Alright, the problem seems to be with the SATA power cable or the PSU shorted out, I will probably be replacing the MOBO, HDD and PSU and the case.

So it seems like 2080 specs are going to be closer to what I expected than the rumors which were going around.
Currytech was spreading a rumor of 3584 CUDA cores in the 2080.
I was guessing 2816 (10% increase over 1080)
GT102 die, which is also what I was speculating it'd be called, is confirmed to have 3072 (20% increase over 1080)

These are the specs for the die in the Quadro. It could be cut down for the 2080, so 2816 CUDA cores is actually still likely.
So performance increase over the 1080 for the 2080 should be 15-30% depending on whether or not it's cut down, how much, how much clock speed is increased, and resolution you test at (GDDR6 is going to give better gains at higher resolution than 1080p)

No confirmation of Async compute yet, which Volta has.

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Or sorry, GT104.

How do I exactly know what parts are still good in my just burned out PC?

Maybe all my drives are dead now. If I test them how can I be sure they wont burn out the new parts?

So tl;dr buy b stock 1080s?

It's also worth noting that GV100 boosts to 1628MHz.
The new Turing quaddro card seems to have a boost of 1725MHz.
This isn't even an increase of 10% in clock speed on the smaller manufacturing node.
So that's the same increase you'd expect on the consumer cards. 10%.

The 50% performance increase was imaginary. And they'll still probably bump MSRPs up at least $50.

Put them in a working computer and see if the drive is recognized.

thank you!

so where do I start with my build?

I mean what are your actual goals? What do you want?
There's various things you can do at a given budget.

It's gaming, right? Do you have to max settings, or would you rather have higher resolution at lower settings? Does color quality and black levels matter, or do you just want high framerates?

its mainly for media comsumption, possibly a pseudo media server and the odd game now and then (im not much of a gamer though so performance doesn't really matter, 1080p is fine but i'd like to be able to go 4k if I desire at some point, not getting a 4k monitor for a while though)

Got a pair of Patriot DDR4 sticks (2x4gb) 3200mhz, they working fine with my ryzen 2600 so I wanted to buy another pair. Problem is that retards from Patriot went out of stock, and 8gb sticks are out of my budget.

Will whatever other brand of 2x4gb sticks with the same speed work n my build?

Ya, pretty much.

There'll be some new gimpworks raytracing I'm sure that they'll lock to their new cards, but fuck gimpworks.
All the demos they showed so far of their ray tracing had ray tracing, except for the UE4 demo which would likely take 7 of the new Quadro cards to render since it took 4 Titan Vs. Shit's a joke.

Like I said all along: the performance increase is going to be more like Fermi->Kepler, not Kepler->Maxwell or Maxwell->Pascal.
People who thought there'd be this magical 50% performance increase is delusional as there is no longer any low hanging fruit for such big performance gains in GPUs. The main way they can increase performance is larger dies, which greatly increases costs. Nvidia wants high margins not increased costs.

I mean, you could simply do a 2400G build and use the iGPU if that's your use case.
It'll display 4K media fine.
For games you'd have to either do really low settings on older games, or do 1080p upscaled to 4k.

Keep in mind that 4 sticks is harder to run than 2. It's likely they'll downclock to 2933 or lower.
>Will whatever other brand of 2x4gb sticks with the same speed work n my build?
Try and get RAM which has the same dies that yours have. ie Micron H-die, Hynix C-die, blah blah blah. Brand doesn't matter. Brand is just the packaging and not the die. All the dies are made by Samsung, Micro, and Hynix, and there are various revisions of them.

my 1080 showed up today. Hell yeah. Installed it and everything went okay. Tested a couple games and I can play on ultra 60+ fps when before i'd get 30-40 on low. This is a good feeling

hard to decide where to start with gaming when you haven't gamed in so long because bad gpu

i'd like to go as powerful as possible just for the sake of it tbqh

Then a 2600X and RX580. That'll leave you open to more 4K monitor options given Freesync.
You could probably fit Vega 56 into the budget if you don't also need a monitor now. Last I saw, the Sapphire Pulse model was only $450.

Just look at others builds from the last thread or two that people didn't call garbage.

>Try and get RAM which has the same dies that yours have.

Thanks m8

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR MODULAR PSU CABLES ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE BETWEEN BRANDS.

DO NOT USE A CORSAIR CABLE IN A SEA
SONIC PSU. I CAN CONFIRM THAT YOUR DRIVES WILL BE BLOWN THE FUCK OUT.

Damn, this sucks. Dont make the same mistake I did.

Yeah, their connectors look fine, but if I were to plug these drives to another PC, wouldn´t there be a chance that the drive would short that PCs connector?

yeah I have an old 1080p monitor that i'll use for now, might buy a 4k one next payday
thanks for the advice pal

Hows sapphire pulse?

Heard its inferior to XFX

get a 2600/x, and b450Theyre probably fine although louder than a good fan like a noctua a14 or something

>I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR MODULAR PSU CABLES ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE BETWEEN BRANDS
Again... it literally says that in the warnings materials provided with your PSUs.

I'm not sure, really. It seems fine enough. Just avoid the Gigabyte one.

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I probably should have posted here instead

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r8 and h8 but also give constructive criticism

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hang on which 2600x? 95 or 65 w?

wdym again?

When can I replace my 290x?

i'd have to do some shit with the BIOS if i get that or a 2700X

>Tested a couple games and I can play on ultra 60+ fps when before i'd get 30-40 on low.
I'm so excited for this.

>ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/VKggzY
>8600k
>loud ass windforce card
>gigantic case which'll be 90% empty
>750W PSU because more watts makes it go faster

When Navi comes next year.

Is a PCIe SSD worth it over a 2.5 inch one?

It'll be just vega electric boogaloo though.

how likely is the price of the 1070 to drop

>8600k

What is the problem with that, friend?

100%

Why people bought full tower cases in the past? what was the point before emerging midi towers?

If you move around very large files then yes if not then it's not and just get larger ssd for cheaper.

should I do it?

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I have an 2600x, will that be bottlenecked by a 1080? Not sure if I should get one this week or wait until the 20th

my computer just died and after multiple attempts of hard power resetting it nothing but the power button (LED) would turn on.

I took out the graphics card and turned shit on and it worked and plugged it back in and it smoked up.

I realize its fried (probably a cap or something) and it still works without the card. Should I avoid using that PCI slot when my new card gets here or if the slot was fucked my whole mobo would be fucked?

A 1080 is more likely to be bottlenecked by the 2600x desu. At that level of performance though, the word "bottleneck" doesn't mean much.

:thinking:
am I prioritising the right stuff here?

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Fair enough, but still worrying about whether to buy an evga 1080 during the Wednesday b stock sale or when the new gpu gets announced

Na. The Wang knows what he's doing.

Spending ~$450 on board and cpu for only 6 threads is beyond retarded.
You get more consistently good performance out of a locked 8700 than a 5GHz 8600k.

It's also going to end up being like the *600k parts of the past, minus the 2600k which was 8 threads, where they wind up being stutterfests as games catch up to them.

Seems like a lot of money for a 1060.

Only thing the 2600X even really bottlenecks is the 1080Ti @ 1080p. But that's a 1440p card, anyway.

REALLY stupid question but if I have 2TB storage how essential is SSD, for windows 10 with an i7 8700k build

>seems like a lot of money for a 1060
i'll shop around but am I on the right track
bongloid willing to spend a grand poster obvs

What ram to buy for a X399 Taichi with TR2950X?

What does "DIMM Socket Support" 2 and 2/4 mean? What does SS/DS mean?
Don't fully understand this table: asrock.com/mb/AMD/X399 Taichi/index.asp#Memory