Earning A LOT of money in CS

My freshman summer internship was paying 30/hr in the south... Just be good at meme shit like webdev and algorithms and you can weasel your way into some pretty awesome jobs.

2 years out of school, this was actually my first job. Austin and Dallas both have a nice tech scene and pay is pretty competitive.

Damn. 110k out of school. How's the cost of living in those cities? Why do people bother with silicon valley

It was 100k starting but got a raise this year. The COL is much lower than Cali but the salary cap in Cali is much higher.

>I actually started CS by learning programming in C
Programming is not computer science.
After getting a fucking bachelor in computer science, you should have at least that much self-awareness.

anyone here work in florida? pay / experience? trying to find a software job here out of school but it's making me feel suicidal since there's a complete lack of a tech scene here

I earn around 125k a year. I live in Austin.

I mostly handle nodejs and react and react native.

Yeah because since I started with C that means I stick to it and this was the ONLY fucking thing I did during my bachelor years...
Yes yes.
Yes.

No but actually I just
>started
with C. I did not continue with it, as stated in the rest of OP. Dude please learn to read more than 3 lines if you want to be taken seriously.

So for all other mongoloids out there I'll just reformulate the OP in just 3 lines:
>start to program
>stop program to network
>ask self if should go back to program
Is it more readable for you sweetheart ?

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Get out of Florida desu

Are you foreign? I honestly can’t tell what you’re trying to convey

Yes I am foreign, that's why all the "IM FROM BOSTON TEXAS HIT ME UP SENPAI" means nothing to me and all comments on this thread are purely useless.

Ok I see that 3 lines is still too much for you, here is OP but in one line:
>Should I work in programming to make a lot of money ?
I'm sorry dude but at this point I can't make it any easier for you, maybe you'll have to see some speech-language professional before trying to interact with anyone on the Internet.

Yeah

Dude, stop sperging out.

You clearly aren't mature enough to go into either networking or programming. You'll just punch a wall on your first bug and then get escorted into a straitjacket.

Where are u from big boy ;)

You know everyone's situation is different. Depends on location mostly. For me my situation is as follows: 35 yrs old, got A+/Network+, few other certs, certified Windows System Admin. All I ever wanted to be though was just a basic tech or low end network tech dude. Currently I'm trapped due to my employment. Work for state government with only 15 more years till hit retirement date and get full benefit package rightfully due me. But my job is not IT related. Can't transfer into IT within the state system due to there being no State IT jobs left. It's all contractors now. So my only option is to put in those 15 years then come back as a contractor and be 50 years old. Sucks ass, but I can't quit, to much time invested where I am now.

I don't even have a degree and I make 53k fucking around with sql queries and Javascript

This The pay is not that great and most of the companies here suck.

trust me, i would. but i want to be near someone and they can't move for another 2 years, most likely. i'd work remote but i doubt a company wants to take a risk on me as i just graduated, even though i'm probably competent enough to manage

I just spent two years doing L1 IT for all CEMEA region with a pajeet as a manager in a company where you have to produce a literal essay to justify buying a fucking laptop. If i was so sperg as you say I wouldn't have last so long.
Also still not relevant to the topic.

Thank you good sir. Your answer doesn't have the slightest use but at least you are the only one on the topic here.

western europe

What size company? Haven’t done much looking but I’m planning on moving to another company in about a year. I know Indeed will comp me similarly to my current job but I kinda don’t want I work for a massive company.

The way things are now here with the State (KY), I'd highly advice anyone who's thinking of working for the State to think of doing something else. The Benefits, political bullshit, other shit you deal with just ain't worth the hassle. The only way to get ahead within the state system anymore is if "you know someone" For the rank and file, they expect you to work that same job till you retire, with no pay raises aka promotions of any kind. The benefits are slowly going down the shit hole, medical insurance is a joke. When I started things were totally different, they gave you an annual 5% bonus each year, they'd promote you, jobs were more "open", the insurance was better,etc. Thank god my benefits are set in stone, can pull the pin at 27 years with no worries. New hires, they get the shaft, they gotta put in a solid 30 years, with they're benefits tied up into a 401k package. Mine's two separate things, got the 401k plus a solid pension check when I retire.

+1000 employees on +30 countries. 10 IT guys for all that.

Guys the questions is simple:
Do I have to learn programming to earn the most money or can I go on in networking/security ?

Honestly unless someone can post some kind of proof, stated wages in wage threads like these should be completely discarded.
Its hilarious, how half of the people here cannot find a job despite being qualified, and half are making 140k minimum.
Yeah, totally legit guys.

Software engineering salaries in tech hubs are this high. Look up on Glassdoor for major tech companies. Even medium size companies in tech hubs are paying 100k starting.

you heard him, post pay stub faggot

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anyone got tips for getting interviews at big companies with ~1-2 years xp? starting at a decent job soon after leaving my last one b/c of long hours, but I almost passed my google onsite a few months ago and they said I could get fast tracked back to that stage anytime from 1-3 years later if I wanted. I'm a lot better at the algorithms questions now so I'm just trying to focus on maintaining that skill and making my resume more attractive to get to the interview stage. My new position uses C++ and I think I'll be working on some interesting projects, and right now I'm fucking around building an FPS engine in C++/OpenGL. Is that strong enough if I put time into it or should I also learn some webshit even if I'm not super interested? My previous job was .NET core but I mostly had basic stuff like database queries, very little C#/JS.

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not them, but I made 90k starting in wisconsin->100k within a year as a software developer new grad with an electrical engineering degree. look up epic systems, the starting salary is fixed and you can easily get a job here once you make it to the phone screen but it is a pretty subpar place to work. I am looking to jump ship myself.

post pay stub faggot

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Does anyone have the 2018 release?

You sound mad about your 35k help desk job

I'm NEET, faggot

So why do not believe these salaries especially since you can look it up on Glassdoor? You don't have any stake in this since you don't work

I do have a stake in this. I am actively looking for a profitable career. Yet the bullshit that surrounds wages and I.T. is off the fucking scale. There is just as much, if not more, statistical buttfucking going on with I.T. wages than there is with unemployment numbers.

I've heard epic has a shitty work culture for software developers, care to comment?

I make 75k starting in GA. Do you need proof of that?

Yes. I also need career progression. For all I know you are one of those 40 year old boomers that got in when things actually weren't flooded and are now grandfathered in.

Protip: when people say some area is in demand, they are referring to boomers, not entry level.

software/data science is probably the most reliable way to acquire wealth by selling your skills. it is very stable past entry level and there are no strings attached in terms of type of workplace or location. the only problem with the industry is unwillingness to train new grads without direct work experience in your technology (something that takes a week or less), which can be avoided by just hard targeting a specific tech stack in your prep or being good at interviewing to get into large tech companies who will devote resources to their new grads and just look for aptitude.

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This is my proof. There is tons of room to progress. Many different teams that do many different things so you can find the field you want and then put in the work. Performance bonuses yearly also.

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To anyone doubting that "hurr you guys can't possibly make that much", this is my most recent paystub. I get paid twice a month, make $120k a year, and have 5 years of experience in the Atlanta metro area. I do C# web dev. Also, only had this job for around 2 months now.
Do any of you faggots have any sort of counter to this?

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Well guess I should kill myself. My 3 years in I.T. don't mean shit. Congrats guys, I'm happy for you, but I've been through hell and cannot fathom finding a job anywhere like that.

You still work in Atlanta? I am . In GA and first job out of uni. Any advice on how to make big bucks like you

IT seems like a bad field to make big bucks now. I'm a programmer. Maybe try to teach yourself some languages

I know python. Have done webdev in python, flask and sql. Have a couple pretty projects up. That's not good enough though and I'm 2 years unemployed so that's basically a blacklist.

Learn Java and try some freelance work to have stuff for your resume.

Yes, that's why I'm leaving. I hang out with a lot of other people around similar tenure and it's really hit or miss based on your team and lead. universally the best part of the job is the comp which is godlike for the area, when you adjust for CoL it's only a tier below the low end at FANG. The universal downside is that you are just doing basic CRUD shit, and if you're unlucky you have to work with Visual Basic (I only heard of 1 person in my hiring "class" getting stuck with it though). .NET is actually pretty comfy but you have to use Windows and the database is intersystems cache which is absolutely unmarketable. I've focused as much on C#/JS as possible.

On a team to team basis is where things get really fucked. Team leads function as your manager as well and they are promoted directly from new grad or SWE2 roles, so it's a literal peter principle situation. Personally my boss has been here

I have friends who work/worked there, not in development but in QA and IT/product support. I'm from IL but I'm aiming for something in seattle or SF after I graduate. And here's an upvote for your blog +1

Just find focus. Learn a popular language, learn popular tooling, and develop an actual interest in what you're doing. Employers can really tell when you have a "passion" vs. "plz gib paycheck" attitude.

Yup, in Buckhead. I started at $60k with a CS degree from a literal who university (that I got in like 6 years with a 2.5 GPA). I started messing around with ASP.Net shit on my own free time, fucked around with Xamarin, built a couple neat apps for myself and started actually enjoying what I did.
Aside from that, I always kept an ear open for opportunities on LinkedIn. I'd respond to a decent number of recruiters, have phone calls with a few different potential employers, etc. I always tried to find jobs that would not only be lucrative, but beneficial to my career long-term.

Or, if you want the Easy Button™ approach, do consulting with any firm that isn't total shit. Decent money, easy opportunity to get a better job after a short time, and the work is usually garbage simple.

sort of related to the thread

does anyone have experience with a coding boot camp ? are they worth doing or learning on your own will produce the same job opportunities ?

My degree is in Finance not programming for reference

There are a couple that may be worth it if you want to fast track yourself into a web dev position and already have a degree. You can learn by yourself but it will take longer. They cost several thousand though at a minimum.

Nice one, what are all your duties as a software engineer?

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>There are a couple that may be worth it if you want to fast track yourself into a web dev position and already have a degree. You can learn by yourself but it will take longer. They cost several thousand though at a minimum.

so there shouldn't be discrimination based on formal education or self taught ?

If you've got the math skills you could do a CS masters program, way more expensive but it'll probably set you up for a better career in the longer term. There are so many people going through those bootcamps though that its kind of a crapshoot, like you can definitely find employment but it just depends on you and how you network more than anything.

I hate my job, so I am looking for a switch with something that challenges my mind. I am debating a masters in Mathematics, MBA or programming.

Figured the Jow Forumsentlemen here would know if programming is worth it still or a meme

I would never trust any career advice you read on this site. If you like CS then go for it, MBAs seem like a meme nowadays with everyone and their mother having one.

last time i programmed anything was 5+ years ago and it was with perl. I dont think anyone even uses that now.

levels.fyi

I've mentioned it couple times now. I"m doing "SRE" sort of related stuff. Which has been a lot of converting infra code in terraform, migrating legacy stacks into Kubernetes(really researching AWS's offering EKS), setting up monitoring with Prometheus across services, and architecting our new CICD pipeline with something like GitLab.
I know every know and then there are couple SEs doing web dev in Jow Forums sometimes but most of you are fucking teenagers or help desk assholes with no clue regarding the software engineering market.

I wasn't asking you sperg

Go to an ivy league instead of meme state. Get recruited in undergrad by jewgle and kek book. Make 6 figures as an intern during undergrad. Gradgitate and make 200-300k for the rest of your life.

larp

Most of the Ivy leagues have meme CS programs. You're better off going to Berkely/UIUC/UCLA/Georgia Tech/Michigan if you want to work at one of the bigs.

Get into business if you want money. Learn to work as a team, follow orders, give orders, work with management, and become management. There's no money in networking compared to a solid programming background. I make 130k/yr WFH because I learned to get off Jow Forums, talk to people, and apply my dev skills to management (it also took me over a decade, so that's something to consider). Look at how much a software architect, software project manager, principal engineer, or IT director makes in your area. It's well over 50k if you're in the states.

Not true from experience, rarely see people from ivy leagues

Why the fuck would you go into networking if you have a CS degree? You cucked yourself hard

Anyone making 6 figures wouldn't be stupid enough to post any form of proof as not being doxxed is more important than please some mediocre "analyist" making $40k/yr doing pajeet tier work such as yourself.

t. unemployed javascript nigger

>if you aren't regarded

FINALLY a fucking relevant response thank you!
... Well not so relevant since I'm not in the states as stated in another message, but still more relevant than 99% of what has been said here.

What are some comfy jobs after finishing your CS studies? Is system admin basically a fancier IT guy? Is it comfy?

larp

What even is "networking" if it's not programming network applications and designing protocols?? Is it plugging in patch cables at swichboards?

And who fails to learn C??

I have a university degree, and I make 43,000 (Euros). That's 22,000 after taxes and mandatory health and unemployment insurance.
Welcome to Germany.
Can't complain, though. Life is still good in the old country.

What do you do OP?

Are you in networking? If you are making half of 50K you are pretty fucking poor.