/pcbg/ - PC Building General

No Shill Edition
>Create a parts list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC
Search youtube for a build guide for your socket
>Avoid Logical Increments

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses; eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (eg photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
>Don't use Speccy. Use HWinfo, SIV, etc.

CPU
>R3 2200G/i3 8100 - Bare minimum gaming, R3 has an iGPU that allows light gaming
>R5 2400G - Consider IF on sale
>i5 8400 - Great gaming value, loses to 2600 in multithreaded applications
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>8700k - The best for 1080p gaming/good for mixed usage
>R7 2700/X - Good high-end gaming/best mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

RAM
>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal

Graphics cards
>Vega is a meme, period
>Avoid cheap models ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS duals, and others which have small heatsinks and low quality fans
>Below applies for high/ultra quality settings in AAA games. Take this with a grain of salt.
1080p
>RX 570/580 /w Freesync or 1060 6GB are standard 1080p 60fps+ options
>1050Ti or RX560 for lower settings, or older games
>GTX 1070Ti if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor
1440p
>1070/Ti at 60hz
>GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor
4K
>GTX 1080/Ti for 60hz, maybe 2080Ti if you like throwing money

Storage
>Backup before using StoreMi
>Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard

Display
>Consider 75hz minimum
>Always consider FreeSync with AMD cards
>___sync is important for slower response time monitors (IPS)
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING

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What do they mean by this?

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reminder

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So is cega officially a meme? Does that mean i should just get a 1080ti

vega barely competes with 1080, 1080ti is way better.

>Vega is a meme, period
>I'm just gonna make my own OP, remove what I don't shill for and call it:
>no shill edition™
You're pretty good.
I'll just wait for the based namefag to get in here and BTFO your sorry ass, shill.

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Can someone suggest a pc in a mini case approximately the ps3/4 fat size with 1080 and for around 1500$? I am not sure how to be 100% sure the parts will fit? Do I need an "ITX" motherboard? Do I need the GPU to be "mini"?

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>based namefag
you need to go back

Nah sweetie I'm good. Let's just wait a bit, shall we ? This is gonna be so much fun seeing you cry
>muh Vega, muh meme !
Here's your (You) for your trouble, shill

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I feel like a bit of a fool.

Im putting together a new pc for gayming. Went with the ryzen 2600x, very happy with my purchase on everything EXCEPT for the graphics card.

I splurged a bit and went with a 1070ti. Here in aus the best i could find was $600 on ebay. Now while i know ill be very pleased with how it performs, i think iv just gone overboard. A 1060 6gb would have prob been fine for moderate gaming. Now i do have a 1440p 60hz capable monitor, and i know a 1070ti would make better use out of it, but for an extra $200 i dunno if it was worth or not.

How do you guys deal with buyers remorse? I tell myself that it will last me a good deal longer than a 1060 would, but just the idea of something so expensive sitting on my desk that needs to be used a lot to get value out of it... kind of puts me off.

Just built a new PC with a Ryzen 7 2700x and a gtx 1080 ti.
Now, my buddy has a PC with an FX chip and a gtx 1070, and yet he gets identical framerates to me in cpu-intensive games like gmod and Fortnite (we're both running it at 1080p)
On top of this, I just benched my cpu in Civ vi and got an average turn time of 13.7 seconds. I looked it up online and saw that the ryzen 7 2700x typically gets in the mid 11s.

What is going on? What could I do to help my cpu perform?
The wraith prism is already set to full speed.

I'm currently on a C6H and a 2700x, and i would like to do a ITX or m-ATX build with this CPU. I have 2 worries, will the cooling i would be able to fit in such small cases me enough for this 8 core? And do b450 motherboards handle 8 cores without much heatenings?

Please do recommend specific cases.

>autistic namefag removes his name so that he can unironically shill himself along with the company he does it for free for
Hotpockets gonna hotpocket

With the kind of faggots this threrad attracts, Ttis thread belongs on /v/ and you all know it.

>his GPU doesn't even have Gigarays

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go back to being destroyed on Jow Forums faggot, he isn't even here yet.
Shareblue everywhere this week holy shit.

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Why avoid logical increments?

AMD shills hate Falcon

There's nothing wrong with Logical Increments

Planning to upgrade my i5-6500 to stream better, which ryzen has the most value?
1700 ($181),1700x($172) or 1800x ($190) 2600 ($135) All of them are second hand

Which computer parts are okay to buy used, and which should I avoid (other than the obvious never buy a used GPU)?

Because "logical increments" is just about buying the most expensive parts with little thought for anything else.

does a 1080 ti actually run stably at 4k 60 hz?

when will amd match intel ipc
also, when will amd compete with nvidia
>tfw stuck on same gen for years now and 20xx are more of the same

I going to be getting a new gaming pc.

Intel Core i7-8700K with
ASRock Z370 EXTREME4 (other components don't need to be mentioned)

Now I need the help of you kind people to tell me what I need to do with the windows 7 installer to make it work with that motherboard/cpu.

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Nah

ths makes me sad. all i want is 60hz... at 4k

Will there be new high end 1070's priced at around 300-350€ in 3 to 6 months time? I could buy one for around 450 at the moment but I would rather not.

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>literally recommending 2200g and 2400g
If you are going to play games at those low settings just get a PS4.

I want to buy a 1070 of eBay, what's the best way to ensure I'm not scamming myself? Some of these prices are really good

Let him pay for his online too faggot.

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Buy used instead

You can go online for free, what are you talking about.

>play games
>PS4
>online
>free
What are (You) talking about ? Is today the day you became a brainlet shitter ?

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Would you get a used gf?

>buy ps4 gaymes
just put a dns in your settings and install the gaymes

after looking at ASRock site, I don't see any drivers for win7, only win10.
Does this mean I can't even use that motherboard with a windows 7 installation?

>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard

This ignores that fact that the fastest SSD's use M.2, because it is the only thing with a fast enough interconnect.

1080 and 650w PSU came in the mail today, already have 500GB 860evo, need the rest. Priorities: 1080p 144fps gayman, some amateur 3D work - nothing my current build couldn't handle.

>CPU: 8600k? wait for 9600k? 2600x and 8600k cost the same where I live and 8600k is better for gaming, If there is something better for less than 260€, please suggest
>CPU fan: evo 212 or similar air cooler
>RAM: 2x8GB 3000/3200MHz, what brands are good?
>MB: need help with this, know nothing except that I probably need Z370 (without LGBT lighting preferably) 1 PCIe x16 is enough
>Case: 270R/275R/S340 or something similar in 60€ range, maybe air 240 or H400
>Monitor: 24" 1080p 144Hz preferably below 280€, is LG 24GM79G good?

Another thing, I currently have H55M-D2H, i5-760 (not 7600), 8GB 1600MHz ddr3 and some chinky old case with no airflow, 80mm exhaust fan, and CPU fan shroud. Is it safe to plug the new GPU in that or is there a risk frying something with some hideously intense bottlenecking it's obviously going to experience?

On the most demanding games, you’ll have to get a good OC plus turn off AA and maybe one or two other “luxury” settings to get 60fps. But for most games out there you can max and get 60 no worries. People act like the most demanding games are the only ones out there.

Im thinking of getting a founders edition and liquid cooling it, so it should run at its peak OC. just dont wanna to through it all if I need to go down to 1440p

im gaming on a 4k 60hz tv

M.2 is not a performance standard.

>Im thinking of getting a founders edition and liquid cooling it,
Let me know how that goes. I plan on doing the same thing, but for 1440p/120-144fps gaming. Just looking for a cheap enough 1080ti so that I can use a waterblock for instead of the AIO ones.

getting
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAC8W5SB2259
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAC8W67W8245
and looking at ebay.com/p/GIGABYTE-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1080-Ti-Founders-Edition-11GB-GDDR5X-PCI-Express-3-0-Video-Card/245223016?iid=183379630060&opts=opick

i know the cooling is aluminum so i cant upgrade it with non aluminum parts but its less than half the price as well

In burger land ive seen used ones for 250

I'm waiting for a a Ti sub 600 so I can justify
swiftech.com/komodo-nv-eco-gtx-1080-ti.aspx
swiftech.com/drivex3aio.aspx (360mm)
Bit more expensive, but parts seem higher quality. Plus 360mm vs 240.

im skeptical of using AIOs for 2 reasons

1) pump failures
2) only cools cpu die

if youre overclocking VRMS will get hot too and card life will diminish.

It's not a true AIO. It has a dedicated pump (with better specs iirc) like EKWB. It's just on the radiator. I've had a H240 for 3 1/2 years now with no issue. Uses the same pump.
>only cools cpu die
>The coolant flow path includes all critical components such as GPU, memory, power mosfets as well as all other power components specified in NVidia's "Thermal Solutions Design Guide".

You deleted the post anyway, but I just realized you said CPU die. In which case pretty much all CPU coolers, tower or water cool only the CPU die.

sorry, deleted my response as i didnt notice the waterblock with vrm cooling

G-guys, please halp

Just got the EVGA 1080/750w PSU/memelink bundle for $499
No tax or shipping
Based EVGA, I regret nothing

The pastebins in /sqt/ will help you a lot. Also: wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Windows_7

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so are you just cooling your GPU or CPU too?

if both do you think 3x120 will be enough?

im going for the 240 ek kit with a 360 expansion to be sure, im also ising a 2700x which, as i understand, when i turn on PBO will become a furnace

Step that shit to a 2080 like I am. I just got a 1070ti FTW2 a month ago for 479 so my step up to a 2080 will be like 200-300.

>im also ising a 2700x which, as i understand, when i turn on PBO will become a furnace
I have the 2600x with PBO turned on and the power limits increased by 10-15w. Idle is a bit high, but load temps for gaming are 50-55c.
>so are you just cooling your GPU or CPU too?
Currently only cooling my CPU with a H240-X (280mm), but the plan is to upgrade to the 360mm and add a GPU to the loop.
>if both do you think 3x120 will be enough?
For a single GPU and CPU, it should be. I don't have a 2700x so I can't say for sure, but I know single rads work fine in most CPU/GPU loops.

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>meme rays
>no benchmarks at reveal
Lolno

this you dont even know the rasterization improvements and good luck getting 60 fps with 1080p and rtx on

That's one of the best OP in a while. Too bad when the namefag sees this he will start seething and change it again.

why not just get another radiator and the waterblock instead of the whole combo again?

Node 202, i believe it fits most full size cards

you wont need to upgrade for a good few years m8
it'll be solid for about 5 years so you're basically spending $100 a year until you feel the need to upgrade (5 years or whatever)

that said you should have waited for the 2080 to sink in, you can already find 1080s for £350 now on ebay

I've been using a raedon 200 series this whole time

I've had the H240 for 3 1/2 years. Pump is starting to make noise, there's air in the loop and it's just old. Plus I'd like to set it up as a front intake rather than top exhaust, but the tubing in the H240 isn't long enough.

I'm looking forward to seeing how well the 2070 performs next to the 1070 ti.

I'm still doing 1080p games and not interested in switching 4k or meme 1440p yet. Just looking for a stable 60 fps at all times in World of Warcraft, which is a challenge during heavy raid encounters and populated areas for my current rig (4770k + 7970 ghz edition).

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How is that cpu?
Looking to get the non k version myself.

What are the chances that Nvidia releases a 7nm GPU next year?

Why avoid G1?
I just got a 1080 G1, and the reviews looked okay.
Is the heatsink/fans really that bad?

WHY THE FUCK AMD GPUS SO EXPENSIVE
WHY THE FUCK THE RX 570 COSTS MORE THAN THE 1060
AHHHHHHHHHHH

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What about all the motherboard chipset shit, and stuff like lan drivers, or usb 3.0

buttcoins

Actually GPU's came down in price fairly nicely, not sure where you're looking, or what's there to complain about. You can nab a 1080 easily for around $500 new, or just go ahead and grab that 1060, it's a great card.

>580 8GBs have been on sale for $230
The fuck are you doing

Is it worth getting a 1080ti or a 2080? I have a 1070 now with a 1440p resolution. Don't really care about 4k at the moment

Should I buy a 1060 now, or should I wait for the 2060 and buy that (or buy a 1060 then at a hopefully lower price)?

given how nvidia is so invested on gigarays and no real benchmarks, while there is sure to be an uplift the chances of the 2060's raytracing features being worth a damn (both as a downgraded part and software support) are minimal

What card are you coming from?

>Is it worth getting a 1080ti or a 2080?
There's no benchmarks of any RTX cards in RTX-disabled gaming. They're mainly just comparing games with raytracing on which obviously the RTX does better in since the other cards weren't designed for that.

The fact that they aren't showing any regular benchmarks like they typically do should tell you all you need to know. Plus there's only like 3-4 AAA games that actually support it.

I'm building a new PC, and I'm really concerned mostly about price-to-performance ratio.

Do you think that 1060s will drop in price after the 2060 is released?

What's the fastest low profile GPU? Doesn't matter if 1 or 2 slots.

Of course not. They didn't increase IPC per core by 50% or they'd have taken a lot of time pointing that out.
It will be +/- the 1080.

Shit how'd you find that?
It's pretty loud unless you seriously undervolt it. You want o replace the cooler.

Where's your screencaps you were going to post for when I'm "BTFO"?

Do you have really slow RAM? Even then you should be shitting on your friend's PC.
You have a new install of Windows, right? Chipset drivers installed? RAM isn't running at 2133?
High performance profiles set in Windows?

Of course not. Even on an old game like Fallout 4 and some highly optimized racing games, it only gets like ~45fps.
PC games just rarely have 4K optimizations.

There was a pastebin in the previous thread. Look there. The whinefag removed it from this thread.

Uh isn't the 9600k still only 6 threds?
So neither.
>212 evo. on a 180w CPU
lol.

>Has GPU that lasted 7 years nicely
>decides to "upgrade" to GPU from Nvidia which, historically, tend to fall off and age like milk after just a few years
nice. It's likely people don't wonder why almost no one keeps Nvidia GPUs for more than 3-5 years before "upgrading".

1080Ti is a significant upgrade at 1440p. Like +40-50%? But I've wait for 7nm GPUs next year if you don't really need more now. 2000 series is a snakeoil scam.

>The fact that they aren't showing any regular benchmarks like they typically do should tell you all you need to know.
That this isn't immediately obvious to at least 90% of people is a sad showing for just how retarded some people are.
They showed performance of Pascal on announcement, yet there are ultra retards making excuses this time around.
Those tech demos looked shit and worse than the graphics on upcoming Xbox One X and PS4 Pro games which are basically an RX570 or RX580, too.

According to my crystal ball, prices may fall up until release of the 2060 but then have the potential to rise again as either the 2060 goes out of stock and/or increased demand from a "lower priced" 1060

Also given the 2070 is launching $120 higher than the 1070 did, don't rule out a costlier 60 variant too.

If you're looking for absolute bang for buck look into miner cards, they're all going mad atm expecting the new 20xx series.
If second hand isn't your thing, and you can wait, I'd definitely wait for the 2060 to come out and grab a 1060 a month-ish later.
Nvidia is fairly desperate to sell off their 10xx cards, that's why the new cards are priced so high, probably once the 2060 is out the demand for a 1060 will drop fairly low, and with it the prices.

I'd say you're looking at 4 more months of waiting, if you can, do it, if not, buy now.

>forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/08/21/nvidias-flagship-rtx-2080-ti-cant-hit-1080p-60fps-in-new-tomb-raider
>They traversed through an outdoor daytime level during their playtime, and observed the framerate fluctuating between 33 FPS and 48 FPS with ray tracing on.
1080p and you get 33-48 fps for $1200.

Dare I say it this will be the biggest Nvidia blunder?

Is the CM 212+ still the go to fan cooler for the CPU?

With my Nvidia certified shill hat on, and tears streaming down my face, I can safely say that the 10->20 jump is extremely unimpressive when compared to 9->10.

HOWEVER.
Rumors of the next GPU using 7nm, probably a die shrunk turing kind of scenario, so you'd be looking at a more efficient, cooler, better performing 20 series, with 2180/3080 probably doing RTX at 1080p at 60fps fairly comfortably, after further optimization and wider adoptation in the market.

It's a large step directly into a turd, but the journey must continue.

only when you can get it for ~$20. cryorig h7 and be quiet! pure rock outperform it.

it'll work fine, maybe just be a bit too loud under load compared to other reference models. nothing to lose shit about.

Depends on the use case.
Intel CPU's with jew certified jizz tend to need a beefier cooler (if you delid you should be fine).
Same goes for beefier ryzen offerings, which tend to have a hefty TDP.
If you are however going for a more conservative chip, then yeah, go for it.

t.8700k user with a 115i.

>Do you think that 1060s will drop in price after the 2060 is released?
Can't speculate much about releases which aren't coming for likely 6+ months.

There is a Gallax or Palit GTX 1070 single slot, I think.

>2060's raytracing features
There likely won't be RTX cards < 2070. 2060 will probably be a GTX card on 7nm. They aren't going to just double the die size of the 2060 to add RT ASIC plus tensor cores which is EVEN SHITTIER at this new gimmick that the 2080Ti isn't powerful enough to begin with.

You have to keep in mind that in 5 years when ray tracing is actually used more heavily, these RTX cards will be pathetically weak for it and obsolete.
It's like how Fermi has Tesselation and PhysX, but that's not enough to run today's games non-shittily. Those cards aged like shit. Turing is literally the new Fermi.

By the time these new features are used, these cards are going to be pathetically weak for them. They should have only been selling these cards for development and HPC. They are scamming gaymers into buying them to subsidize developers and HPC to lower Nvidia's costs and increase their margins through volume.

>Also given the 2070 is launching $120 higher
Those
>starting at
Prices are fake.
How do you not remember that they did the same thing on Pascals launch?
The real prices are $100-$200 higher.
That starting price is simply the MINIMUM an AIB partner could choose to set the MSRP for their cards. But all of them are setting their MSRP's at least $100 higher.

I don't think Nvidia is desperate to sell off their Pascal cards. Especially not the 1060s. They're still getting high margins on them at these slightly discounted prices.

How hard is to modify a case with usb3 ports? local sellers only have case mATX with usb2 they say. MoBo have usb3.0Gen1 internal port (usb3x2) only, TypeC not needed.

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Wow you mean a ~15% performance jump and worse perf/watt after waiting 30 months is unimpressive to a 50% performance jump 1 year later?
You don't say.

The hilarious thing is how it's highlighting that Polaris/Vega aren't actually "inefficient", it's just that they simply support far more features than Pascal which increases power consumption.
Finally adding some of those features to Volta and Turing a decade late massively decreased their perf/watt.

But this is what Nvidia and its shills do. Act like those features in TeraScale and GCN are bad, and then when they're finally added to Nvidia cards they're suddenly now the best thing ever.
Then those AMD cards age well, because now those features are finally used, while previous Nvidia cards lacking those features age like shit.

Probably not extremely hard. Usually either glue, or tiny screws are used.
Just remove your usb 2.0 ports as carefully as possible, and attach a 3.0 module instead.
Hot glue is your friend for stuff like that, and remember, measure twice, cut (buy) once, make sure the module you're buying will fit.

Both these cards arent low profile though? I don't want to bother you because at least you were nice enough to reply but I'm not sure if you are giving out good advice here.

I'll look into that one.

Going for 2600x for CPU.

Yeah, my question is if they really fit, currently TypeC and new variants make me doubt.
Now I'm looking this: amazon.com/UCEC-5-25-Inch-Front-Panel/dp/B00UBFXMXG seems fit in 5" bay

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I'm not %100 sold on the "aging" stuff you keep mentioning.
I've used both brands extensively, going from a 460, to a 7970, to a 1060, to now a 1080 (also upgraded from a phenom 965 on all cards to a 8700k with the 1080).
I haven't noticed any problems with aging, and both the 460 and 7970 lived a hell of a long time (over 5 years), being donated to my little brother whenever I upgrade.
What I mean by that, is when considering their worth at any given time, and relative performance, all 3 cards kept up well enough, with no "postponed" buyers remorse at not being able to run some gimmick.

I currently have an R7-1700X, Asus ROG X370 motherboard, and 32GB of ddr4-2400MHz (4x8GB). I game, encode a lot of video, and video edit. My local microcenter has
>Threadripper 1950X - $600
>Asus ROG Strix X399 - $350

After taxes the combo comes out to just under $1000. I can more than likely sell my motherboard and CPU for $300. Is it worth the investment? Should I just wait for the 2950X? Or should I just wait to see if gen3 ryzen will bring potential 12c24t on the AM4 platform? Tbh I don't need all the pcie lanes, ram support, etc that X399 brings. I just want the moar coars

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You are on a dangerous path user.

How so?

>There was a pastebin in the previous thread. Look there. The whinefag removed it from this thread.
It mostly talks about ryzen though.
Secondly, I see some ryzen and intel z370 motherboards have windows 7 drivers and others like ASRock don't. Does that mean it's a no go to use motherboards with windows 7 unless you can find chipset and drivers on their website specifically for win 7?

Oh, if you're just going to use a 5" bay then there's no problem at all, if your mobo has a 3.0 slot.
I thought you were going to cut out the old 2.0 module and replace with a 3.0 (unless you're planning to cut up the amazon module, which is questionable at best)

I wouldn't be putting a 212 on a 2600x, if purely for sound reasons.
It should be able to keep the temperatures in a reasonable area, but at what noise level, plus you'd have very little room for OC.
I'd definitely look into something beefier, like the other user suggested.
If you can stand the color scheme, it's worth looking into Noctua fans as well.

If you want to go the HEDT route then yeah, I'd nab a second gen TR, they seem to be comfy.
I see no reason to look at first gen TR chips, and if you really want to wait another 6-ish months, then yeah, zen2 will probably have 12c24t on am4.

Source:my ass

Yeah I think I may hold off on anything with the chance of higher core count AM4 socket stuff up in the air. I'd prefer not going the HEDT route because I don't need the ECC, PCIe lanes, and subsequently I don't want to have to buy a special cooler.

Here's to hoping AMD's 7nm really pans out.