Seriously why BSD's still exists? Why don't devs of BSD just switch to Linux and contribute to it...

>>Linux people do what they do because they hate Microsoft. We do what we do because we love Unix.

Correct. /thread

Why should GNU/Linux users love Unix when the whole point of GNU was to get away from Unix?

Can't really add much after this.

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chad theo vs virgin stallman

2 great men

>The original purpose of the GNU project was the creation of a free operating system.

Type A personality / Type B personality. A perfect illustration.

?
Is Type B the one that pretends to get shit done while Type A gets tweaked out on stimulant drugs?

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>Seriously why BSD's still exists? Why don't devs of BSD just switch to Linux and contribute to it.
Learn English.

As an alternative to the alternative

You can't fix cucks, they're irreversibly mentally damaged.

ever noticed how all the anti-BSD shitposters can't seem to write english for shit?

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OpenBSD is a meme
>Filesystem
SSD TRIM is vital to supporting SSDs, as without it, they degrade quickly due to unnecessary reads and writes. Sadly, OpenBSD has decided not to support this.
OpenBSD also does not offer a modern filesystem option. You simply get the very old BSD "Fast File System" or FFS.
Why is this important? Because when most people think of a secure system, they think of being resistant to evil hackers breaking into it. But that's only one part of security. InfoSec can be generally split up into three components: Confidentiality, Integrity, and Availability.
In this triad, availability seems to be the one that's lacking here. Who cares how hack-resistant your system is if the data you're protecting is corrupted?
That's not even getting into the volume management stuff that's missing, and the snapshots, and the everything.
"b-b-but MUH BACKUPS!!"
What are you even saying? That bitrot all of a sudden doesn't exist anymore? That backups are the one and only thing you should do and should not be supplemented by a more stable filesystem?
You do realize that if the filesystem is not secure and does not protect against bitrot and corruption, your precious backups are going to be fucked, because you'll be backing up corrupted data. Who even knows how far you'll have to roll back in order to get to a clean state?
"ZFS is one big thing! Very not-Unix! Just combine tools, bro"
OpenBSD doesn't have logical volume management either. Even if it did, FFS doesn't have the checksumming, bitrot protection, etc. Even if it did, OpenBSD softraid doesn't support as many RAID levels as other operating systems' solutions. It's just a worse deal all around.

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>Security
"Only two remote holes in the default install!!!!!!!"
Yay!
I hope you realize that this literally only applies to a base system install with absolutely no packages added. In other words, not exactly representative or meaningful towards... anything really.
OpenBSD also does not have NFSv4 support even 18 years after its standardization. This is an issue security-wise because version 4 is the only one to offer authentication with Kerberos plus encryption with the krb5p option.
A common retort to this argument is that the NFSv4 protocol is "bloated", and that's why OpenBSD doesn't support it. Going off this, the OpenBSD project seems to think that authentication and encryption are bloat. Take a moment to consider that. It's certainly a very strange stance indeed, for such a "security-focused" operating system.
Let's of course not forget that OpenBSD lacks a Mandatory Access Control solution such as SELinux, AppArmor, or TrustedBSD, which provide benefits that are relevant to companies, organizations, and governments looking to better secure their systems and classified data.

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>Sustainability
A few years ago, OpenBSD was actually in danger of shutting down because they couldn't keep the fucking lights on. How could anyone see this as a system they could rely on, when it could be in danger of ending at any time?
"but it's open source! Someone could just fork it"
Oh yeah because surely they'll be able to maintain the entire OS
Actually now that I think about it, that really depends on the person/organization that does it. And they might actually have some sense and be able to fix some of the issues listed here.
It's official. OpenBSD would be better off if it shut down and was restarted.
>C Standards-compliance
"B-But OpenBSD is written in strictly standards-compliant C! Clearly that's better than muh GNU virus!"
So you're not allowed to create extensions to the standard? You should only implement the standard and nothing more? Keep in mind that this is nothing like EEE, as the GNU C extensions are Free Software, with freely available source code, as opposed to proprietary shite. People should be allowed to innovate and improve things.
If you're gonna be anal about standards-compliance, then why let people make their own implementations anyway? Why not have the standards organizations make one C implementation and force everyone to use it?
>Miscellaneous
OpenBSD's pf has inferior performance, as it only utilizes one core of one processor. GNU/Linux's netfilter firewall does not have this problem. Neither does pfsense.

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>Seriously why BSD's still exists?
Because people want them to exist.
>Why don't devs of BSD just switch to Linux and contribute to it.
Because they'd rather contribute to *BSD. Take your my way or the highway attitude and fuck off.

some one who makes sense on Jow Forums?

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samefag

Wow great posts, thanks for steering me away from that awful OS. You truly are doing a great service posting this in every *BSD thread.

This but unironically.

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Thanks, based user

Why would I want to use something that spawned Macs?

Because good BSDs aren't bloated garbage

You are incredibly dumb.

One day Linux will go 100x more mainstream than it already has. It will go from a relatively stable and secure system for enthusiasts to a bloated spaghetti ball of malware for normalfaggots just like Windows and MacOS. On that day you will thank us for our efforts and gladly install BSD.

TLDR: stop putting all of your eggs in one basket.

>inb4 obscure meme distros
After you'd be finished debloating Linux and GNU you'd be left with half the kernel, half the userland tools, custom init scripts, and hardly any desktop software. It would be a completely different OS that would be incompatible with systemd and Gnome shit. Might as well use BSD at that point.

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this desu

/thread

But user, what you are describing already happened for the most part.

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>mfw i get to watch FreeBSD boot up
>things get started one by one
>waiting 30s for ethernet to come up.... 5 seconds later it's done
>everything in the meantime stopped to watch the network come up
slow boots are the price of freedom

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BSD still exists because shit co's like Apple, Cisco, Juniper, Fortinet all use BSD to implement their "hardware" operating systems. Also, OpenBSD is developed at a university last I checked; and FreeBSD is also developed by university (Berkeley IIRC?). I forget. But, basically they are university projects. They are also more friendly with restrictive licensing; such as ZFS integration, etc.

>basically they are university projects
not since the '80s

It isn't as extreme as what will happen in the future. Software is still fairly portable across systems regardless of whether they have systemd.

Why does anyone give a shit about slow boots? How often are you rebooting your computers? I only turn mine off like once every three weeks. This isn't even a problem with SSDs.

Some people people like their software to actually be free instead of having to pay for it by giving up the right to close their source.

Personally IDGAF about the licensing though.

FreeBSD is a pleasant OS to use. Easily configurable without putting in an autistic amount of effort, and has rock solid stability. The only distro that is comparable is Gentoo. Ubuntu and Arch are worse than windows.

I'm not saying it's a huge deal, just something i noticed. systemd might be an all consuming pacman gobbling up services right and left, but it boots fast. therefore, slow boots are the price of freedom. I'm sure FreeBSD will come up with a better init system, but like you said it's not a problem really.

>Why does anyone give a shit about slow boots?
>I like slow boots
>I also like sour grapes

>he's such an autistic zoomer that he can't wait an extra 5-10 seconds

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Why isn't systemd ported to Android yet?
Android boot times are stupid slow.

Pretty sure 4.x kernel isnt even ported to android yet.
Google has largely abandoned android; just do yearly "sweets" releases so that the platform doesnt die.

OpenBSD is shit. So much for security yet their network stack can't even keep up with 1Gbit speeds.

Actually, I worked for a major company on the east coast. Our firewalls and routers were OpenBSD. It had no issues. The biggest problem we had was updating; because anyone who has ever managed OpenBSD knows that upgrading the OS is a fucking nightmare.

I don't see what 1Gbps networking has to do with security

Google recycles people too quickly to maintain any part of their ecosystem for a significant amount of time.
It's a problem with most major tech companies.
Why do you think they're constantly hiring new people? They aren't growing, they're replacing.
Why do you think every google app's GUI gets rewritten every other year? First project for the new hires. Testing ground.
All of the amenities provided by google/facebook/apple/amazon are flashy and attract kids fresh out of college, but are shit for starting a family. So people stay for a bit and make some money and get experience, then move on.
Throwaway culture, throwaway jobs, throwaway employees.
Nothing they build will last long. I give android and chrome 5-10 years before collapse.
also, checked

I tried to set up a server with OpenBSD to drive a 10gbit network, it didn't even reach at peak 1Gbit speeds, and yes, I did tweak the stack. Slapped FreeBSD on it and I didn't even need to tweak the stack so I could get >1Gbit speeds, lmao.

That's a cute anecdote but I still don't see what 1Gbps networking has to do with security lmao

Dude why are you defending that piece of shit OS? I mean seriously, sure it's ((((secure)))) but what's the point of having something that's secure when it turns your hardware into a useless brick. Suck my dick Theo.

Works on my machine

samefag

BASED

>Why don't devs of BSD just switch to Linux and contribute to it.
Why don't Linux devs switch to FreeBSD? Ever since 10.3, as long as you're on x86 or x86_64 there's nothing you can do in Linux that you can't do in FreeBSD via the compatibility layer. Hell, it's even faster than Linux is.

>They are also more friendly with restrictive licensing; such as ZFS integration
OpenBSD doesn't have ZFS, they are more restrictive with licensing than any linux distro.

>The biggest problem we had was updating; because anyone who has ever managed OpenBSD knows that upgrading the OS is a fucking nightmare.
What's wrong with the upgrade process?

>nightmare
You get the ramdisk, you reboot your computer, you hit enter.

It's just the plain 3clause BSD.
You're retarded.

It's too complicated for 20 yo boomers.

How old is that photo? I remember Theo was shitposting ad personam attacks on Stallman on mailing lists. Was it pre or post time this photo was taken?

Even faster than Linux you say, huh? Benchmarks don't think like that so phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=windows-freebsd112-8linux&num=1

no it's the CDDL, retard

NetBSD is cool.

I'd rather have sex with the FreeBSD Daemon than the OpenBSD Blowfish.

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This is FreeBSD running native FreeBSD programs, not the Linux programs running in FreeBSD's Linux compatibility layer, try again.

The daemon's a generic BSD mascot, the orb is to FreeBSD as Puffy is to OpenBSD

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Because GNU is communism. The GPL is cancer. Stallman is a fucking moron who should have been fired for being a communist faggot.

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Yes, to get away from Unix, which had ceased to be free.

amazing "security-oriented" operating system where you can just mprotect(PROT_EXEC|PROT_READ) a previously writable mapping by default

UNIX isn't some kind of god given OS standard. It did a lot of things right, but it wasn't perfect. Linux gets this and improves and strays away from its UNIX roots in certain areas, BSDtards just shout "HURR DURR WE'RE AS UNIX AS IT GETS, HURR DURR BERKELEY IS PRACTICALLY UNIX".
Fucking BSDtards.

> Existence of BSD helps Jew companies like Sony and Apple power their proprietary devices for free.
Existence of Linux allows for worse than jew company Google to make spying devices for free.

> Phoronix

The idiots that try to prove that Linux/GPL is good with fake benchmarks.

>using a 70s filesystem without trim

>end your life and dont reproduce
that's implicit.

>OpenBSD is a meme
openbsd.org/innovations.html
A pretty important meme that is.
>no SSD TRIM
Not only it is usually a not issue, but compromises security when full-disk encryption is used.
>this literally only applies to a base system
Indeed. But OpenBSD has a fairly large default installation which include routing and vm daemon, web and email server, vm daemon, et al.
Also, don't forget the kernel itself.
Have you checked how many vulnerabilities Linux alone has?
>A few years ago, OpenBSD was actually in danger of shutting down
Those are development costs, not relevant to the operating system's general sustainability.
>So you're not allowed to create extensions to the standard?
Go ahead and do it. Standards though are good for code quality and portability.

Protip: What you replied to is a pasta posted every single BSD thread when OpenBSD is mentioned and the guy posting it will never debate it. Don't bother replying to it.

that answer is a pasta as well

based

>bsd
>great
outdated software everywhere and shitty compatibility with other systems. if someone asks about those, the great neckbeard bsd lords recommends to use other os.

every distro is outdated you fucking retard, unless you're running a rolling release, which u can do with openbsd too btw

>shitty compatibility with other systems
what the fuck does that even mean? You couldnt transfer your childporn collection from your windows 95 computer directly via a usb cable?

>a pretty important meme
No, a few of its programs are important. I'm not denying that. but OpenBSD as a full OS is confirmed shit

He more than likely is referring to the lack of good support for Linux filesystems. I remember someone in the last thread having an issue with ext4

This.

For example, here you can see Beastie used to represent NetBSD

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>wojak
You are the normalfag here frendo.

Fat Moses has a food stain on his shirt.

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The OS in its entirety is important. OpenBSD devs frequently find and fix bugs in 3rd party software that other systems wouldn't find because their OS is built so software that malfunctions just breaks. They've probability mitigated things we don't even know about.

Best pasta by favorite user.

based

I love it.

If you look closely there are infectious bacteria in it...

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Are you living under the rock or what?
Most of Android devices these days since 2016 run atleast 3.18 to latest being 4.9 kernel. LTS kernel periods are extended to 5 years instead of the 2-3 cycle they had earlier because of Google.
>Google has largely abandoned Android
Lmao at you boomer

> Existence of BSD helps Jew companies like Sony and Apple power their proprietary devices for free
This is a good point desu, and is why I wouldn't touch that BSD shit. We could have forced Sony/Apple into a position where they were forced to contribute something back, instead these niggers get decades of computer science research literally for free.