They are nothing without photolithography companies selling them "printers". Intels relies fully on ASML, a dutch company though at least they now own 15% of it. When you hear people talking about "GloFo" or "Intel" or "TSMC" know that they are mere followers and investors on those "printer" companies.
Pic related. This thing can print a 5nm processor for you, for only 110 mil.
They also use ASML. i.e. those journalists have fully taken the blue pill.
The red pill is GloFo would be on 1nm so to speak if ASML was cheap.
soooo what's to prevent Intel from just buying a printer instead of relying on a company that uses/makes printers? patents?
>Journalist taking the blue pill
Is there a cure for the way you think?
>soooo what's to prevent Intel from just buying a printer instead of relying on a company that uses/makes printers?
The fact you can't just feed it a blueprint and press the 7nm button to print in 7nm.
OP is a faggot and thinks that is all there is to it.
> he believes the tech "press" isn't utter trash
So can it copy itself?
Stop being an amerifat. Of course it's not too simple, but the trash "journalism" has people believe Intel and others are solely responsible for building their foundries from scratch.
That's utterly wrong. The true heart of those foundries is ASML technology. What Intel does is mainly hardware design and management, not foundry building, only foundry investment.
I'm a bit confused at what point you're trying to make, is there someone arguing against the point you made in the OP? I doubt any sizeable portion of the public cares about the difference between chip fab companies and photolithography companies.
Isn't this self evident anyways? If I want to start a newspaper company, it would make more sense to buy newspaper making equipment that's on the market instead of trying to make my own print assembly from scratch (yes I realize chip making is far more specialized and complex than printing newspapers).
I'm not saying the press isn't trash. I'm saying you're stating the obvious in the most Jow Forumsfag way imaginable. You're kind of a stupid person trying really hard to sound smart, and you come off as a person that know very little about what they are talking about. Its called parroting sources, and you're doing it wrong.
if intel isn't vertically integrated it's either because of regulation or because they decided it's not in their best business interest.
>Of course it's not too simple, but the trash "journalism" has people believe Intel and others are solely responsible for building their foundries from scratch.
The foundries don't (always) design the nodes.
Intel design their own nodes. ASML technology may be used to print that node, but if Intel's node is a bust ASML won't be saving it. It'll just print garbage.
With your newspaper printing example, imagine going back a few hundred years to printing presses. You had to make plates for each page you wanted to print. You could have had a perfectly good printing press, but if your plates were shit the printing was shit.
They care, or at least whoever cares is usually misguided. Tech "journalism" is so trash that when they talk about Intel or GloFo they keep the delusion that they "solely" countrol their foundries when they are fully reliant on ASML technology.
I bet most tech "journalists" are 20 year old idiots. I knew a 17 year old guy that was a senior game reviewer at a magazine back in the day.
When 99% of your message is basically "you stoopid" everyone could derive who is misguided here.
The point is most of tech journalism propagates the delusion Intel and others solely control their tech.
That's funny, you sound just like one of those "tech journalist".
>Tech "journalism" is so trash that when they talk about Intel or GloFo they keep the delusion that they "solely" countrol their foundries when they are fully reliant on ASML technology.
Every company is reliant on other companies technology.
Nothing new.
You realize that printing is not the same as designing right? What's you're point? You're literally saying something that's been known for decades.
I mainly blame the "journalists" propagating the delusion Intel solely controls their tech.
By the way, they are partly 'vertical' since they own at least 15% of ASML now.
Are you drunk?
when you're an underage who learned something new from le lebbit and and tries so hard to sound intelligent about it
That's still chip design though. Or are you talking about another lower level part of it?
>ITT: OP realizes that companies use other companies.
It's not like I'm gonna bother with decorum in a japanese porn journal.
>The point is most of tech journalism propagates the delusion Intel and others solely control their tech.
Sounds to me like you are blaming ASML for Intel not managing to get their 7nm node working while you're equally claiming it can print down to 5nm.
What is your point? That companies use other companies technologies?
Okay. So let people think what they think. Anyone into chip manufacturing and design has known this since the 80s. Were you born in the year 2000 or something?
What is extraordinary here though is the level of praise the big names get when they are not literally builders of those foundries in the largest part.
It's below chip design.
The node design is the design of the actual transistors on the chip. This involves not only the form the transistors take, but also the materials used.
Intel designs their own nodes. This has nothing to do with ASML. The ASML machines should be able to print this node, once finalized, but the machines won't fix a shitty node.
Only morons should blame anyone here in terms of process shrinking. At 5nm we literally hit the quantum mechanical limits of the universe.
Tech "journalism" and gaymers are so trash that they have the delusion you can just make a transistor smaller by wanting it hard enough.
You don't get it. Those companies aren't praised for their manufacturing, they are praised for their design. What your post originally said was very stupid. I'm sorry you don't see that.
The foundries are basically printers. They buy the latest printers from ASML and print the latest chips from the chip designers.
They also dabble in node design. But, hey, you probably don't know what company printed any of the books in your room or the development they're doing to improve their printing business.
Ok, that's interesting. It's still of course conceptual design (albeit I bet complex). It's not foundry building in the physical sense as most people believe.
So you're really comparing chip makers to normies? Tech journalist and gamers pander to the normie market so these designers can make money off the general public. That's how they fund their research and labor. Of course those people relate things to simple big-names. You don't see people praising Samsung for manufacturing Apple's Retna display do you? Its because people (as in the general public) are sheep. They're innocently stupid without thought. Any one that is really into chip manufacturing already know what you're posting, you're just echoing things.
>Pic related. This thing can print a 5nm processor for you, for only 110 mil.
Intel and AMD are multibillion dollar companies. If it was that easy Intel/AMD would be 5nm already. Protip: it's not.
Dude, those "journalists" are web content producers, they are one of the most volatile and easiest to replace workers in existence. Third Rail has funny new segment where they run bitching of those people to sad violin tune as those "journalists" actually live in delusion that they are doing something important and irreplaceable. When reality hits them it's incredibly fun.
Does the lithography machine actually grow/deposit the semiconductor on top of the masked substrate or does it just apply the masking? 5nm resolution mask doesn't help much if the other processes cant keep up
>does it just apply the masking?
This, I believe. You feed it the prepared wavers and it prints the chips.
>Third Rail has funny new segment where they run bitching of those people
URL?
>tfw used a black&decker drill to build a boat
Guess b&d are the actual boat makers now since they provided the tool, I was just present when it was being used
This. When I hear techlets and wannabe experts I boil in rage, those retards think is about as simple as pressing a button to manufacture 7nm processes not realizing we're talking handfuls of atoms for each transistor at this point. It's easy to say "what does it take" when you know shit.
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> At 5nm we literally hit the quantum mechanical limits of the universe
lel, they have 3nm and 1nm transistors developed now faggot.
What stops Intel to make their own photolithography device
they dont know, intel is full of pajeets.
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Calculator wars in Japan, made sharp and canon developer LCD and lithography machines, in some point begin too expensive had fabs and canon become seller lithography machines until last node size, canon sell machines to everybody, then ASML take crown advance photolithography.
Today foundries are so expensive that using ASML become way avoid hyper massive cost new nodes, GlobalFoundries get fucked and ASML don’t had or want build own foundrie.
>3nm transistor
literally 15 silicon atom, 5 for 1nm. Even if we manage to technologically reach such sizes (7nm was a pain to do), the yield-per-wafer will be ridiculously low as even 1 atom out of place starts affect the transistors.
Even 5 atoms leaves 4 extraneous atoms. 0.2nm gaymen cpu when?
>intel is full of pajeets
This, they can't innovate.
Source? I read that we can't go so low since the wave length of electron is too big and it would end outside of the gate in some cases.
His source: gayming journalist that FUCKING love science :OO
>moore's law
>more transistors more switches
>more little = more efficient
literally the mark of a electronic illiterate