I don't see any possible way for communism to exist without a utopia, change my mind
(inb4 > nobody actually does political discussion on Jow Forums anymore)
Change my mind thread
Caleb Lopez
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Jackson Bell
...
Carson Smith
okay
Andrew Baker
It is Correct. They say they gonna give you candies and flowers, but when the communism gov. reach the country, they fuck you up.
Jayden Johnson
Thanks, but I'm looking for an opposing opinion
Jow Forums is getting boring I want a debate or something fun
Dylan Garcia
I have many friends that left his lefty life. the real reason is because the actual left doesn't matter to his folks. it's like we don't exist.
I don't know how is the left party in your country but it's my reason why now why ima a right boi,
my life matter too~
Grayson Ramirez
I have an apposing opinion but I'm not going to talk about politics on Jow Forums. You're setting a bad president for the board
Ian Williams
I don't think there's any way you can defend the utopia of communism, in the end of the day, all what you've listened was lies.
Jayden Butler
I want a random Jow Forums. with anime and frogs
Lucas Price
Would you rather have more furry porn and shitposting?
Who is him though
Well we will see about that soon enough
Matthew Wood
in small communities i could see it work , small towns have the same goals and values and to most in little towns they dont need much even doctors in small town have humble lifestyles , communism on a large scale wil never work because you have to force people into your vision where in small groups everybody is already in agreement
Henry Nguyen
based
same here
/hist/ and /lit/ are good for discussions but recently nu-pol invaded them too so Jow Forums is the only good place left
Oliver Ortiz
>Would you rather have more furry porn and shitposting?
No but I'm not chosing between three things
Carter Reyes
But how can a small community have communism if it's not self sustaining?If they don't have a good economy, agriculture, amongst other industries, I don't see how it could work
Dominic Scott
i want to revive mongolian paganism and worship the skyfather while catapulting diseased corpses at arab princes
Levi Bailey
based raider
What else is there on Jow Forums?
Evan White
well, my ex lefty friends told me that communism didn't work because only poor countries became communist. if a country like UK or US became communist. it would became a utopic and bla bla bla
Aiden Fisher
we have lots of those towns here , most small town are surrounded by farms look at orania in south africa
Zachary Moore
That's kind of dumb.Venezuela has huge oil reserves(Granted it's state capitalist but without state capitalism communism is impossible)
Jaxon Bennett
is is retaliation for my rude posting?
Noah Johnson
Venezuela has a huges oil reserves but Venezuela don't have any rich man or a big business
Eli Young
btw, long live to pinochet!
Chase Allen
look at what communism (the anc) did to south africa the richest african country in 1970 our currency was stronger than the dollar
Xavier Evans
not cool guys
Isaac Morris
I see...I can't find anything on Orania being communist though
David Gomez
nah just want a nice debate thread, feel free to talk about the merits of communism
Landon Hall
you are in my black list now
Logan Fisher
Fuck you guys communism is cool you sucks , my ass faggots
Daniel Johnson
they are a bit more socialist like apartheid goverment
Jack Wilson
you want a good argument against communism? do you know what is the best economy in latin america? Chile, thanks to pinochet and his politics to kill all commies that he could've seen.
Jose Reed
Thomas Cook
the only cool communism is the Russian communism. because your communism is more like fascism than communism guys
Josiah Young
based , we killed a lot of cubans in the bush war
Anthony Diaz
D:
I see...It seems to be funded by charity and not self-sustaining though...
Caleb James
don't cry you're a nice guy
Alexander Martinez
Samuel Jones
FAGAPORE FRON NOW ON YOU ARE ENEMY OF COMMUNIST STATE
Juan Bell
look at where the donations come from
Elijah Murphy
Camden Wood
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Noah Parker
I see...but it seems to be socialist, especially since they have a place for stockbroking
I don't disagree with the notion that socialism can exist as long as it's backed by a capitalist economy, what I'm talking about is full communism.
But I like you...
Hunter Carter
Jayden Diaz
DEATH TO CAPITALIST PIGS DEATH TO AMERICA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
James Sanders
but you lost the cold war.... against me
Andrew Perez
utopia is a fallacy in itself
brazil user got it right
ironically they will destroy everything for their utopia with their "break a few eggs to make an omlette" mindset
and then there will be nothing left they can use to build their utopia with
if you reply ill speak in more than just platitudes
Michael Rodriguez
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Chase Allen
full communism i dont know socialism is as far as i go
Christian Gomez
Bentley Price
Ah...well nice talking to you anyway lad, didn't know that South Africa had such places
Hmm, why is it a fallacy?
Its okay able communism works in your head
Dominic Lewis
WE JUST WERE WAY TO FOOLISH TO TRUST YOU
Aaron Kelly
Blake Ortiz
>South Africa had such places
there is lots of black homelands where whites cant buy land
Lincoln Carter
Alexander Young
I WILL ESTABLISH COMMUNISM YA ALL WILL SEE
Kayden Sanders
B u r k i n a F a s o
Cameron Sullivan
SOON I WILL ESTABLISH A FASCISM GOVERNMENT LIKE MUSSOLINI SAMA~
Charles Wood
Daniel Thomas
orania is already a succsefull white ethostate check it out it has its own money and everythinjg no black commies allowed
Lincoln Butler
Jason Fisher
Blake Nguyen
>be american
>agree with socialism
How did you guys become this way too retarded? Everyone who agree with that bullshit are just fitting their asses in a comfy chair shitposting while that ideology what killed more than 100M still killing people by misery right now.
My country almost became a 'socialfag', luckily right parties started back exist
Juan Powell
Dominic Thomas
nice work~
you will fall into my hands and i will reborn you like a fascist boi~
Landon Baker
NEVER !
Kayden Bennett
Austin Roberts
calm down soccer boi, soon you will have your waifu (bolsonaro) and you will be happi~
Cameron Perry
>full communism promises the full privileges of property equally distributed through central planning
>asserts that this would greatly improve the human condition beyond anything conceivable
even if
Utopia ideas are born to fail because they are derived from unscrupulous optimism
Even Neo-Marxists like Terry Eagleton acknowlege this
And to address the economic fallacy Marxism is simple
Marx acknowledges the vast material wealth that capitalism generates - yet he proposes that this very mechanism must be obliterated to achieve a larger societal net benefit.
Then theres the deeper economic question of the planned economy - if material wealth is the end goal, by what means does the planned economy with totally nationalised industries hope to achieve efficiency.
In destroying capitalism, you destroy the mechanism of allocative, dynamic and technical efficiency. There is no possible way to achieve these efficiencies with out competition (which socialism destroys).
Ian Watson
BUT WHAT ABOUT CHINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Austin Peterson
Jordan Bailey
im so jealous that you goys get Jair
hopefully Sen Anning or Katter become our Jair
Jack Parker
CHINA IS NOT A REAL COMMIE!!!
Evan Moore
bolsomito munchs da burg
Jonathan Williams
I see...I don't read a lot into economic theory so forgive me for being a brainlet
Oliver Edwards
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE youtube.com
Liam Watson
your English is abysmal
Hunter Jackson
but will you guys stay our bricks partners?
Camden Butler
look that man, he looks like a freedom man~
Michael Gutierrez
what he said about Russia?
Carson Hughes
SHE WILL NEVER LOVE ME AND HUG ME AND MAKE ME PIEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Sebastian Evans
Russia chan, don't be jealous, all we know that all rights parties prefer burger than vodka
Jacob Walker
Brazil was our partner
Cooper Perez
thats ok
just ask this simple question
>How on earth does Marxist economy theory pose to increase Aggregate Supply?
Watch them as they scratch their heads
the more intelligent ones will know that aggregate supply is the strongest indicator of long term economic prosperity but even they dont have an answer.
The polish socialists were posed a similar questions post-mid century.
Their answer was "we will cross that bridge when we come to it".
They never had answer. Ever.
Heres more on the utopian fallacy
> youtube.com
The only good argument for socialism is a transcendent one - it beats capitalism's inherent materialistic nature here
However, Marxism still is unable to shed its economy-centric world view, and is thus inferior to traditionalist/monarchist and even fascist school of though when talking about transcendence.
For the economic argument
>Capitalism>Traditionalism>Marxism
For the transcendent argument
>Traditionalism>Marxism>Captialism
Joshua Ramirez
YOU BLOOOOODY BASTARDS DONT TAKE BRAZIL FROM US
Jason James
and Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Spain, Italy, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Yugoslavia and other irrelevant countries
Anthony Ward
and if you weigh the two as equally important
>Traditionalism>Capitalism>Marxism
Juan Campbell
Elijah Powell
IF WE WILL DIE WE WILL TAKE YOU WITH US
Jaxon Miller
checked
Matthew Scott
Wyatt Williams
checked again
Carter Parker
TRIPS
Connor Sanchez
I hate you
Evan Harris
ACTUALLY NO NOW
Jason Bell
sure, russia chan~
Lucas White
ha
Daniel Bailey
I w-will kill you
James Williams
Russia chan is so cute
Landon Watson
Nathan Carter
DEATH TO AMERICA AND ITS DOGS
Bentley Morales