Which one is Jow Forums approved

which one is Jow Forums approved

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The top one because it has pointy shoulders and is more petite.

This.
Also, tiny twintail.

petite but slower

Unironically the Lightning II.

>muh dogfighting

You can't engage, let alone dogfight an enemy you can't see on radar. If you do catch one on radar, OMAE WA MOU SHINDEIRU.

literally su57 is almost twice faster, and its right now king of the skies

Anything other than F-35. Literally M2 Bradley Electric Boogaloo

We'll find out once the invasion of Syria begins

None, war is fascism.

you wouldn't have internet if there wasn't war

Air superiority as a concept in aerial warfare is effectively nullified by the ridiculously small radar cross-section of the F-35.

The Sukhoi can do nothing but sputter about in the air looking it's target while the F-35 easily spots the Sukhoi on radar.

>single pilot
what if you need to take a nap?

And it's not faster or more maneuverable than a missile so who cares.

this.
>higher ceiling
>faster
>more range
being stealth doesnt matter because as soon as you open the bomb doors the radar is going to light up. higher = safer

The one that can spot you over the horizon

Both are piece of flying trash which aren't even finished yet.

I remember when Chávez bought tons of junk Sukhoi from Meddevev

Low frequency radars can detect stealth fighters there are no such thing as stealth fighter tho, and quantum radars are real deal and coming soon.
they make hand gesture to enemy fighter then both take a break

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wait till i try them in ace combat 7

You're gonna need more than just a quick blip on the radar to engage an enemy in air combat.

Assuming a Sukhoi operator does manage to spot an F-35, that's all it can do. After the bomb doors quickly close it's effectively invisible again.

You can't fight something you can't see.

the one that is not finished and bankrupt.

Stop being silly. After you have been in enemy contact for a week all you want is nap. Single seater planes are insanity.

Is there a bigger money sink than the F35?

I worked in russian aerospace as a turbojet design engineer.

There's no future and the industry is fucked.
Since cold war we're only losing technology and fail to maintain shit that used toi work in the past. No access to cool non-metal materials, no high precision tools and no technology to make them.

I left that job to work as a storage keeper in an airport and never looked back, the pay is 3 times higher 1500$/mo is good for a young man in Moscow, the conditions are fuckloads etter, work in shifts and have to carry A 330 wheels instead of kissing mlitary asses all day every day.

The two years back there were fuck awful.

>quick blip on the radar
>switch to IRST/EO in that direction
>turn radar off
>f-35 can no longer see you
>f-35 shot down because EO guided missile didn't trigger RWR and the pilot cant see shit.

Why the US is so far behind in EO/IRST for AA systems is beyond me, this is exactly how the EF-2000 tracked and got simulated kills on the F-22 a few years back

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Low frequency is useless for targeting, the only thing it can really do is alert you to a possible intrusion, and by that time the enemy operators already know everything about your setup because you decided to blare radio waves to try to pick up their scent.

Whichever has the highest thrust to weight ratio, and the sharpest turn rate.

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Neither they both use nonfree software

Which ever one is converted to an autonomous drone model first

I'll be honest, this is probably the best defense and could probably be pulled off well if the F-35 operators are retarded.

But you have to admit it still gives the F-35 operators a stupendous information and tactical advantage.

the Sukhoi SU-35, literally shits on the 966 confirmed defects f35

that is if the f35 pilot doesn't pass out due to lack of o2, or if the cooling doesn't shit itself or....

>relying on physics and human skill instead of superior technology

they only have a tactical advantage if they have AWACS and other assets feeding them information.
Also the HMD still don't work right and is worse than the Windows MR headsets.
Meanwhile soviets have had HMD guided IRST since the 70's

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F35 is too far ahead in terms of electronics and engine. An updated F22 with F35 electronics would be better than both however. Demanding a VTOL version of the F35 for the marines was stupid.

One of the basic features the Gripen was designed with.
If the pilot ejects it automatically switches to kamikaze mode.
Without the pilot it becomes impossible to dodge or shoot down.
We're talking abbout a supersonic boomerang.

Sukhoi because it isnt a trillion dollar failure

I worked in Sukhoi in software lab on the PAK FA project for 2 years like 6-7 years ago. The industry is indeed fucked, most people there have no idea what they are doing and the management is just gold-watch-wearing napoleon-compex assholes. However Sukhoi somehow manages to stay afloat.
Some of my friends still work there and say that the payment is decent according to the current IT market. It's a dead end for IT specialist for sure though.

Jeep brand cars.

ITT: Jow Forums become Jow Forums

i don't think, based on your personality test, you were allowed to know more than what was wanted for you to know

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Post Russian memes that have never been seen on Jow Forums and some good Russian music from this year or gtfo

Jow Forums is to biased to talk about the actual underlying technologies, there isn't anything more Jow Forums than ECM algorithms

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Fullproof test lad

Sukhoi sounds like sugoi, so it's probably the best.

>In December 2007, SAAB researchers revealed details for a system called Associative Aperture Synthesis Radar (AASR) that would employ a large array of inexpensive and redundant transmitters and a few intelligent receivers to exploit forward scatter to detect low observable targets.
And this is just one of many methods of defeating stealth aircraft. The future is half autonomous, short range, low cost drones. Human decisions, AI pilot.

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are these even in the same league?

>There's no future and the industry is fucked.
>Since cold war we're only losing technology and fail to maintain shit that used toi work in the past. No access to cool non-metal materials, no high precision tools and no technology to make them.
What is fucking over Russian and Chinese engines? Is it mainly lack of access to exotic single crystal and ceramic turbine blades?

I thought the Pak Fa won't be put into mass production because it's not that stealthy? The F35 is a trillion $ disaster tho.

Trick question! There is no good russian music!
To be honest I know a few decent underground bands
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>download books on EW
>none of them make sense
fuck i hate being dumb, is there any other way to learn this stuff?

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F-15 avtive, f16 VISTA, f-18 HARV > rusky budget buckets

The one that's in production.

There's only ever going to be

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The one that actually went past the prototype stage.

Ceramics are out of the question we have no ceramics and nobody would sell such tech, carbon-carbon too, regular composites are shit, coatings are shit, electrochical machining is shit because we dont make modern tools, they still use Lathes from 1960s that are all fucked and cant make tight tolerances.
Fuck they even still use lost wax sand casting.

Basically the USSR has invested fucking nothing into non-metals, fucking senile retards at the party thought
>cool shit is all made out of metals, plastics are only good for toys

And since then economy and society only went downhill, we are somewhat competent with metal materials, but no fancy shit, no coatings and no ceramics whatsoever.
Even the plastics are shit and radar absorbing coating is fucking atrocious, its literal chewing gum that gets stale, cracks, falls into the engine and dents the blades.

this thread is Jow Forums levels of retarded

it's actually 0 in active service cause shit breaks down like an alfa romeo.

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none. fighter planes are a waste of money that could be better spent building weapons in space.

What went wrong?

Ah, yes. A single jet, out of a fleet of 300 had an issue.

Meanwhile, in reality, they're being deployed operationally.

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one of these, they don't say what

popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a21098498/f-35-problems-fix-before-production/

>“The GAO report broke down the shortfalls into two categories: Category 1 deficiencies are defined as ‘those that could jeopardize safety, security, or another critical requirement,’ while Category 2 deficiencies ‘are those that could impede or constrain successful mission accomplishment.’ The report cited 111 Category 1 and 855 Category 2 deficiencies.”

>111 life endangering
>mission compromising

That isn't one of those, that landing gear failure is related to that jet alone and is not a class-wide issue.

>american jet literally has a cross stuck to the front

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The F35 is fine it's just sort of boring and poorly suited to countries with a smaller military. To give an example of how ridiculous F35s can be, It's possible to load a F35 with 2 nuclear bombs and 2 AMRAAMs in internal bays, a pack of 24 of them can carry 48 nukes more powerful than what was dropped on japan, 48 air to air missiles, on an aircraft stealthier than a f117 that can still perform as a jet fighter. To make things even worse they can all share targeting data between each other. If one of the F35 feels an enemy fighter is getting a little close to detecting him, he will have already detected the enemy via passive sensors and the enemy radar signal, rather than firing on the enemy he can tell a 2nd F35 further away to turn on his radar and track him, the 2nd F35 who is safely out of firing range can transmit the data to a 3rd F35 who is nearby but undetected who is able to fire 2 AMRAAMs at the enemy without even turning on his radar. The interceptors are screwed they will be expecting the plane that targeted them to fire only to be hit by missiles fired by F35s lurking around with their radar off that they couldn't detect.

Also consider that unlike cruise missiles or ICBM the enemy does not know it is being attacked until things start exploding. While B2s and F117s could do similar things they are defenseless against interceptors, they have to stick to hiding at night and avoiding anywhere interceptors might be. Basically a group of F35s could 1v1 the entire military of some of the smaller nuclear powers like north korea or pakistan.

At what cost? This program is so full of bullshit spending.

That's why the cost is being spread far and wide among our involuntary country-partners :^^^^))))

At a cost that is cheaper than maintaining legacy platforms over their service life.

>Ceramics are out of the question we have no ceramics and nobody would sell such tech, carbon-carbon too, regular composites are shit, coatings are shit, electrochical machining is shit because we dont make modern tools, they still use Lathes from 1960s that are all fucked and cant make tight tolerances.
>Fuck they even still use lost wax sand casting.
Should turbines get cheaper now that 3d printing iconel, titanium and other exotic stuff is becoming more common. It sucks there's no cheap turbines for light aircraft and other vehicles.

ok kid

The top one because it exists
Now go back to Jow Forums ruski pig

It's a vastly inefficient piece of shit program. It almost barely works, but so many defence (((contractors))) got rich off it.

Both of them are pure shit, but at least the PAK FA isn't a completely unmitigated PR disaster
More like it's shit all around but the Russians don't have enough money to burn endlessly like Americans

Su57 exists too retard.

>At what cost? This program is so full of bullshit spending.
Same price as just buying brand new F-18s or F-16s. That's not to say the F-35 didn't have issues, they just aren't as extreme as people say.

You can okay kid me if you want, but that doesn't change that fact.

ok kiddo.

Good goy.

SU-57 is cancelled. It won't be developed further. The F-35 will continue to be improved for years

the reason why it attempted the emergency landing is.
the landing gear breaking is probably due to having diversity maintenance engineers.

All thanks to taxpayer dollars!

The low frequency radar lets you know "hey, there's a target here" and then you use that to cue other radars to dwell in that area.

I do not care much for the F35 personally but with all the shilling I see on RT against it I have to wonder. Russia is always shilling against the jet like they are doing us a favor trying to help us cancel it.

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>using proprietary jet fighters

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Maybe in your shitty dreams ivan
It's only one prototype with shitty engines and 80s avionic technology that gets hyped by russia today beyond Imagination
It's just a pr stunt nothing more

That "cross" is an air data probe that was only used for flight testing the production air data system. It isn't present on F-35s that will actually pew pew and kill enemies

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They should always at least have a gun. We learned that lesson once and almost repeated it.
The problem with the F35 is that it needs a fighter escort to keep it from getting shot in the ass on its way home after it has used up its stores.

>but at least the PAK FA isn't a completely unmitigated PR disaster
wrong.