There's a million linux distros

>there's a million linux distros
>ni/g/gers and gNUmales think this is a good
NO MOTHERFUCKER, THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING

Why? because every fucking non major distro has a DISGUSTINGLY crappy package manager and support

I can't stress how many times i distrohopped only to find out the [insert current distro] has nearly dead forums, 0 support, empty IRC, a wiki written by an illiterate monkey on meth and a tiny useless package manager
outside fucking ubuntu, fedora, mint, debian, manjaro and arch you can consider your distro WASTED EFFORT.

Now imagine if there were 3, maybe 4 distros, one of them was dedicated to minimalismfags, and the rest for normal desktops or servers

instead of every developer feeling like a hipster and wasting his effort making a shit distro and eventually fail his userbase,
do you have any idea how good it will be if all of them united to actually make a decent desktop OS?

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Install Gentoo

Linux desktop is a lost cause. Just stop wasting your time and effort and join Windows master race. Your productivity and sanity will thank you.

just use Mint you fuck. it just werks.

>muh fragmentation
You're a moron. First, what you want is inherently impossible since the profusion of forks of forks come from people scratching their own itch and doing stuff that they want to do. You couldn't force them all into a small number of projects. They wouldn't find it interesting and wouldn't develop anything at all. Your choice isn't between having the open-source developer world spread out between a large number of projects and having that same number of developers concentrated on a few projects, your choice is between having a small number of projects with the developers they have now and nothing else, and having a large number of projects with a larger number of developers, with the 'core' projects having the same number.

Second, all that fragmentation is a GOOD THING. More fragmentation means I can use shit I like and you can use shit you like, instead of us both being forced into one way of doing things. Don't like systemd? Fine, there's others who agree with you and make distros with other init systems. You can use Gnome and I can use Xfce and someone else can use KDE and other people can use MATE or Openbox or i3. I can use Debian because I like Apt and you can use Fedora because you like RPM. etc etc.

>You can use Gnome and I can use Xfce and someone else can use KDE and other people can use MATE or Openbox or i3.
you don't have to change the entire fucking distro to change a dewm

you probably use a famous distro with a gigantic package manager and 24/7 support and a forum buzzing with users so you never got hit by the reality so you keep peddling this theoretical garbage.

This person is correct.

The entire problem with the "if you don't like it, build your own" people is they're autistic libertardian dweebs who wouldn't work together if it meant saving their own testicles. They continue to spin in circles while no viable, user-friendly alternatives to the 2 mainstream spyware/bloatware OS's currently available ever get developed.

>eventually fail his userbase
the userbase makes the distro faggot
> because every fucking non major distro has a DISGUSTINGLY crappy package manager and support
than just don't use it no one forces you into anything

Plenty development is put into mint and ubuntu to make them as user friendly as possible. Some people just don't look for user friendly, some people look for more control over an OS or and OS that they themselves could build into sometihng. And perhaps most importanly, the majority of systems that use Linux don't use it for comerical purposes and are specifically designed to do sometihng - therefore needing a specifing distro, a modification of one or something new. 90% of things that work on Linux aren't user orionted and the actual people who use it comercially do because unlike other systems linux is from bottom to the top hihgly customizable. Therefore the only logical thing is that it has so many distros. If Linux wasn't so customizable and didn't have so many distros - the userbase wouldn't use it because in those terms Windows and MacOS are probably better at being static user friendly systems
Don't like them ? Don' use them
Don't like the fact that there are so many ? Who ever asked for your opinion

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>outside fucking ubuntu, fedora, mint, debian, manjaro and arch you can consider your distro WASTED EFFORT.
?
just use the main ones then and ignore the rest

>the userbase makes the distro faggot
Are you taking the piss m8?

just filter out all distros that doesn't have its own decent package manager
>aptitude
debian
>portage
gentoo
>pacman
arch
>rpm
fedora
>xbps
void
>guix
>nix
etc etc. if a distro is forking another ones package manager it's not worth your time.

So why don't you just stick to one of them?
I mean, you're kind of being a cunt here.
> Why are people making specific linuxen that I don't like?
Because they're not you. You're free to ignore them and stick to Ubuntu and RHEL.

>>xbps
incredibly small and crappy
that's the point, devs are so incredibly divided and with sticks up their asses for their own distros that every distro outside the big 5 is lacking in usability, software, and software quality

going back to noobun2

retarded brainlets get OUT

just install arch nigga

FACTS: half the shit in the AUR is garbage and/or broken

Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint apt is comfy af

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It is a good thing you mong.
More choice is always better than less choice.
I'm sorry you're too retarded to know what you want in your operating system

Stop distrohopping to shitty barely alive distros. Also a lot of the effort that goes into developing different distros ends up getting shared between distros because of how free software works (hint: other distros can see and use the code too).

install larpos

>Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint
systemd botnet

Install Gentoo.

based and redpilled

>more choice is always better than less choice
Tell that to Apple man.

if it was legal to redistribute modified windows installaters, you'd see tons of those, too
there's already a number of them despite this
most linux distros are pointless, yea, but that doesn't mean we need to cull it down to 3/4, that's going too far. maybe 3/4 /desktop/ distros, but there are more than 3/4 places where a specialized distro makes sense

>they're autistic libertardian dweebs who wouldn't work together if it meant saving their own testicles. They continue to spin in circles while no viable, user-friendly alternatives
tell me, why would anyone make a DE or distro for an ungrateful shithead like you? That "if you don't like it, build your own" attitude comes from you winfags and mac babies demanding that everything change to suit your retarded, lowest-common-denominator sensibilities.

Just don't use bad distributions
Besides, every distro that matters uses one of those: apt, yum, pacman or portage

linux is for professional people
theres a lot of professional fields
thres a lot of linux kernels for different professional needs
fuck off

There is one linux kernel, the one on kernel.org
It might be compiled with different options enabled but it's the same kernel.

Low IQ post.

/thread

can't you put guix on basically any distro?
I really have to try it out one of these days

He never said that DE was tied to distro.
The point about fragmentation in development is true for the multitude of distros and multitude of WM/DE. It was a parallel.

Uhhh... Sort of.
A lot of distros do minor patches. Some do major patches (ex: RHEL5 still supporting the 2.6.x kernel).
But it's 95%+ the same.

>linux mint
>windows VM
>everything just werks
>its like I'm not even using linux

>productivity
HA! No. Linux is vastly superior to windows for software development. Visual Studio is the best IDE bar none, but if you're not writing C++ then you don't need VS and Linux is just so much fucking better in every way that you're only embarrassing yourself if you seriously promote Windows for productivity.

Fuck, even if I were an artist I would still use Linux-- Wacom tablets work great on Mint with Krita.

This.

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I use Linux at work for Java and Python development and I don't really see how it's any more productive. On the contrary, everything keeps breaking (e.g. headphones are not detected until I suspend the PC, plasmashell starts eating up >2 CPU cores until I kill it and start it again).

Why does everyone say Visual Studio is so good? When I tried it it seemed pretty disappointing, mostly due its bizarre need to put everything on its own internal file structure and write it to a project file. Made version control (or any sort of outside-of-VS file munging) a major pain in the ass.

The IDE stuff like completion was OK but nothing special compared to IDEA. Are the people saying it's great just used to plain text editors or I am missing something?

fragmentation is like diversity

fuck diversity you jewish puppet
please kill yourself kike

What the hell are you on about? Did you actually check for channels on freenode for these mystery distros? Also, most programs will be the same on every distro, and there are universal things like man pages and info pages you can view from the command line. The arch wiki has info that applies to basically all distros, too.

yes, same with guix (they're essentially the same thing)

For java development it's going to feel basically the same since both your programs and your IDE are cross platform.

The only real advantage is having a decent shell for stuff like grep / less on log files and other miscellaneous tasks. Doing that stuff in Windows sucks. It's a significant help once you git gud at it.

Wacom tablets only work on Linux. Instead, messing with the Windows drivers drove me to suicide.

Is this a false flag? I'm a happy GNU/Linux user, but this annoying writing style you used is identical to the stuff Windows-posters use. I actually had to re-read it to make sure you weren't making any typos or saying the opposite of what I thought.

This is why you generally avoid distros that are not backed by a company or organization, like Red Hat or the FSF.

Also, the average distro "maintainer" for niche/small/useless distros is not the kind of person who would be able to make useful code contributions to components like Wayland or an init system or the kernel. Allowing people to create their own distros does not detract from support for the underlying components, but it likely does increase the surface area for testing and bug reporting and such when there are hundreds of different default configurations for your software.

>b-but hanaha montana linux a-user

You frogot a distro

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fragmentation is fucking stupid though, people like OP and I just want to make the point that others who want to branch off and make useless forks have their little fun and 15 minutes of fame and then immediately leave the project to stagnate but had they focused on the actually important distros their labor would have gone to some good

even though they won't, I strongly believe these tards should focus on what's there regardless of personal feelings

well who the fuck are you to tell people what projects they should and shouldn't work on?

Shut the fuck up moron, I'm not saying that. I'm saying they'd contribute more if they'd focus on what's there

I'm well within my rights to have an opinion, just as much as people are free to do what they want with their free time

>they'd contribute more if they'd focus on what's there
That's not what they want to do though. So why the hell should they not work on whatever it is that they please? They aren't doing this for your benefit.

>I'm well within my rights to have an opinion
yeah and I'm of the opinion that it'd be really great if everyone on this board gave me a hundred bucks. But why would they? That's not gonna happen any more than devs will confine themselves to the projects you think are worthwhile. So yes, you can have your opinion, but it's a stupid and pointless one.

>That's not what they want to do though.
Well fucking duh genius, nice to see we're on the same page. I already acknowledged that in my original post

The moment I mentioned what they "should be doing" you got all up in your fucking feelings to defend their right to do what they want BUT if you read my whole post you would have seen that I'm fully aware that's not how the world works. I said they would get more done if they would combine efforts. I don't care if they're bored, or if you think my opinion is stupid, sit the fuck down and piss off.

So you're just masturbating over how great things might be if only everyone worked together to accomplish what you think ought to be done?

Yes, wasn't that obvious? I was never telling anyone to do what I say or anything like that.

fuckin sperg

What's crappy about XBPS?

>Linux community should combine forces for the greater good of the community.
>Don't tell us what we should do! If there's anything the Linux community hates more than anything, it's conforming to the whims of others.
>Yeah, that's why we use Linux in the first place. Harold may like it when his peas touch his potatoes but I find the sight of the two touching absolutely nauseating!!!
>[forking intensifies]

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>Go look up cd burner software for windows (is already in gnu/linux)
>See millions of crappy shitware
>MUH FRAGEMENTAETITION

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Yeah, why do I have to pick one out of all those tomato sauce flavors, there should only be one.

Link ?

>Don't like systemd? Fine
wrong, you are fucked, more and more programs depends on shit-d.

And what are you gonna do about it? Systemd is fine

CD burning implemented since XP.

>believing the systemd meme
>2018

For non-binaryTransNigger shit-d is fine.

>if it was legal to redistribute modified windows installaters, you'd see tons of those, too
it wouldn't matter because windows is actually good unlike linux haha

imagine a debloated windows without the spyware.

There ARE tons of those, you just never bothered to check.

>if you don't like it, build your own" attitude comes from you winfags and mac babies
doubt.jpg

did you only read the first line?

"Choice" doesn't fucking matter when the number of real decently working distros does not exceed the number of your fingers.

Yes.

But you can have those things on Windows. They work on cygwin (which you get by default when you install git).

>Now imagine if there were 3, maybe 4 distros
there are

Linux needs a unifying philosophy or it will always be the shitty alternative to commercial proprietary software.

gtfo you fucking idiot. fucking redditors and winfags acting entitled. get the fuck out of here faggot.
no one needs to give a fuck what you think ought to be developed cunt.

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>I can't stress how many times i distrohopped only to find out the [insert current distro] has nearly dead forums, 0 support, empty
what did you do? see a screen shot of some riced distro and then fucking install it? apparently you don't do any real work because disto hopping all the time would interrupt any working person's time. you are a fucking idiot

most people start off installing a few distros because they "look cool" or seem to suit their preference ootb
once you realize you can make any distro look and act the way you want, you'll gravitate towards one of only a few of the larger, more serious distros

>productivity
Nigga I can do my work and everything I need on linux.

So the propaganda says, but only a moron believes his own propaganda.

Name one legitimate issue with systemd that stops people from being productive.

No, wanting to be different doesn't count.

For your basic office software needs and coding shit you could to on anything else, maybe.

For everything else, Linux just doesn't cut it.

>For everything else
As a programmer I don't need everything else. I use my computer for emails, youtube, Jow Forums, spreadsheet, quick slideshows, programming and sometimes photo editing (basic stuff so I use gimp). I'm aware that some jobs absolutely require windows/MacOS like if you need the adobe suite or finalcut or something. My point is, for the average joe, ubuntu provides everything he needs. 99% of my normies friends won't see a difference since they use their computer as a facebook box

Fair enough.
Linux can be a godsend for true casual users or l33t haxors, but you're forgetting that most of the desktop users nowadays are the space in-between those two. (Mostly because the casual users migrated to Smartphones as soon as they gained traction)
People who don't quite use their computers as a Facebook machine, but aren't really that literate in programming or interested in how computers work, i.e. graphic designers, Illustrators, gamers (you are free to cringe as much as you want, but gaming is a valid hobby), 3d designers, audio producers, video editors, and a big etc.

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What the fuck are you talking about? Most of the distros are just forks or forks of forks of those major distros. They use the exact same shit as those major distro that you've mentioned.

>Now imagine if there were 3, maybe 4 distros, one of them was dedicated to minimalismfags, and the rest for normal desktops or servers
But that's the way it works now. No one forced you to use some obscure distro, and many of the smaller distros are experimental or niche. Just because they don't meet your use case doesn't mean they don't meet someone else's. Just stick to Debian and call it a day, distro hopping is pointless.

Yep I definitely agree with you on that point. This target audience you're talking about (which represents a huge chunk of the population) will have a worse experience on linux. Even if gaming on linux is quite simple to set up, as you said, for people who are not at ease with modifying an messing with computers, it's still harder than just installing steam/origin/uplay and press "play" on windows.

BSD doesn't have this problem.

Even though others have already told you I have to say you're an idiot. You aren't and never will be in a position to make demands. It's either """useless forks""" or nothing. If they wanted to focus on that larger project directly they would have - since, you know, it's already possible. You can only fix it by contributing to the larger projects yourself, not forcing other people do it. Those useless forks may not contribute nothing in your eyes but they aren't taking anything away either. It's not work force that has been removed from the original project and is now hurting the project. Saying that fragmentation is bad in this case just makes you seem like a brainlet. I don't know if you are OP or someone else but just having to explain something this simple to both of you makes me hope there's only one of you out there.
>inb4 you should have looked at my later posts where I backpedaled myself out of it

>"Choice" doesn't fucking matter when the number of real decently working distros does not exceed the number of your fingers.
post examples of "broken" distros so I can laugh at you

>install Windows
>500 viruses install themselves through the NSA approved™ backdoor
>computer screeches to a halt

>install Void Linux
>no backdoors
>computer runs 100x faster than it ever would on Windows
>keep an offline install of Win10 on a VM for MS Office

I'm more productive than I ever could be on Windows