>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation_by_nation >there are 17 countries where the government can demand your passwords to pretty much anything >for example, a few days ago, a man in the UK got jailed for not surrendering his Facebook password Tell me Jow Forums, why do we even bother? I know that a lot of us are more concerned with avoiding shit like Google than we are major governments, but is Google really any worse than your government?
I'm getting closer and closer to the point where "avoiding the botnet" will just mean "no thief who gets access to my computer will be able to view or steal my shit" and "Googling my name won't let people see shit that would make them think much less of me".
Related. Using librafag browsers/addons has been a fucking pain. GNU IceCat has almost pushed me in to abandoning Firefox forever and installing Ungoogled Chromium.
Finally, I should make myself clear and say that I do understand the arguments for librefagging (pic related are my personal notes on the subject). But I'm still forced to ask my original question. Why bother?
What kind of parent alows their 13 y/o daughter to wear that make
Gavin Evans
A British one.
Noah Butler
Well, Google and many other US tech companies are working with US gov so...
Elijah Gonzalez
>The German Code of Criminal Procedure grants a suspect the right to deny cooperation in an investigation that may lead to incriminating information to be revealed about him or herself. There is no legal basis that would compel a suspect to hand over any kind of cryptographic key due to this nemo tenetur principle. Based Adolf.
Carson Brooks
Don't you have the right to not self-incriminate?
They need to ask Facebook if they need something that's stored in there.
Noah Nguyen
>librefagging What does it mean and how does it relate to privacy?
Logan Watson
Sieg Heil to that
Jason Martin
Reich up my alley.
Nathaniel Cox
It more or less just means going to autistic levels to avoid the botnet. However, it does not mean being a FOSSfag.
Carter Wood
>there are 17 countries where the government can demand your passwords to pretty much anything nice reading comprehension skills, OP
Nicholas Myers
Just don't fossfag and keep the botnet at bay. I use windows, but with bitlocker and password I use firefox, but with all botnet settings off and privacy hardening, and a bunch of security / privacy addons I use google, discord and facebook, but make sure first party isolation is on so they can't track me on anything other than their sites
I just want to make sure they don't know more of me than i want them to
Jackson Reyes
I'm not concerned with Google or the government collecting and storing my data. For the government they've been doing it since 1910, there is no escape for anyone. For Google, Microsoft, Apple, et al, it's somewhat of a requirement so that the services they provide work.
What I am concerned about is the fact that if my government, and companies I buy products from can collect and store my data, any random motherfucker with the right set of skills and tools can too, and the companies I am forced to trust with my personal information have historically been really terrible about keeping it actually private when they say they will.
Thomas Bell
/ourguy/
Charles Brooks
Brainlet here.
Can't you make the program just wipe all your data if used with a particular password? If that's the case just give them the password that will wipe everything.
Avoiding Google, Facebook and Amazon is quite easy, I don't see how this really restricts you, as long as you have a messenger to communicate with normalfags.
Sebastian Roberts
they would have made copies of the drive before doing anything
Evan Thompson
Damn.
Gabriel Thomas
Actually there is a related principle used in disk encryption. Different passwords for different content. Plausible deniability is better than in your face destruction.
John Anderson
any usb device not whitelisted by you when connected to your computer will toggle a complete deletion or encryption of all files
if you're doing some illegal shit i'd straight up have a prompt every 20 minutes asking for a password and if not provided would delete all your shit
Justin Howard
they'd just pry your PC open and take the drives
Camden Ortiz
unlawful seizure in the us, they're not able to do that without a warrant. the most they can do is catch you while your computer is still turned on and then copy everything without turning it off. that's how they got the silkroad guy
Jaxson Baker
Google can't put you in jail dumb fuck
Jose Morris
>Plausible deniability anyone with half a brain would know if they were only seeing a partially decrypted hard drive
Juan Hall
there's what you assume and deduce logically and then there's what can be considered as proof in a court
Dominic Cook
fair enough
Christian Rodriguez
YES, YES, VERY GOOD Vth AMENDMENT HOWEVER...
>the court ordered a suspect to decrypt his computer, citing exception to Fifth Amendment can be invoked because "an act of production does not involve testimonial communication where the facts conveyed already are known to the government..."
10 POINT TO NSA/FBI
Justin Sanders
friendly reminder that even guro porn can land you in jail in the land of the free lol
>Googling my name won't let people see shit that would make them think much less of me I got arrested for a dui after blowing a 0.00bac twice. Was reduced to reckless driving 10k$ and a year later but my life is pretty much ruined because a million sites logged my mugshot and never updated my court resolution. And they all ask for money to remove your name
Logan Parker
>arrested for a dui after blowing a 0.00bac ??
Parker Stewart
...
Owen Moore
The FBI proved that guy was about to eat women. Since it's proved, then that guy should be jailed, suffer not the cannibal. I don't see the problem here.
Alexander Wright
the age we live in sucks. George w bush got to be president after a dui and i cant get a job at Target with a reckless (which will always say DUI - Reduced to reckless driving) fuck me dead
Jonathan Ward
Tampering with evidence is a serious crime
Joseph James
so arrest the cops who entered the decoy password lol
Ryder Diaz
>proving alleged future acts
are you retarded?
Jacob Jackson
what do you think conspiracy to commit x is
John Campbell
Bitlocker is backdoored you mong
Asher Diaz
How so? I only know of windows device encryption thing being backdoored by uploading keys to MS. I'm using good old BitLocker of enterprise windows editions
Joseph Baker
>cannibal cop that's some horror shlock movie title for sure
Nathan Cook
It's a crime to plan something evil, even in your head, I'd argue that even a fantasy should raise suspicion and under certain circumstance: legal actions. People should be prosecuted for that. I don't see the problem. Potential threats to safety should be kept under watch or simply punished. Potential tend to realize itself under a given set of circumstance. For instance, someone saying: "I will pirate that game" should be arrested because given the current state of technology it is doubtless that he will pirate the game and violate the publisher rights in the process. Grow up, kid.
Ryan Bailey
Your pajeet grammar makes it impossible for me to ascertain what exactly you're trying to say, but he was acquitted and went on to write a memoir about how thoughts are not crimes
Matthew Bell
At the very least it should spark an investigation and the odds are extremely high that that person pirated a lot of games.
Caleb Fisher
My grammar is good. You just can't read elaborated sentences because you're american, your IQ is low.
>It's a crime to plan something evil, even in your head You dont even know how badly I want to choke the life out of you.
Better?
Gabriel Nelson
Kurwa Katyn, you're round and red, you clean toilet in Great-Britain and kill jews in death camps. Bad stupid man.
Elijah Baker
Why did you gas the jews?
Aaron Anderson
I can sue you for that sentence, you're lucky I'm in Asia. That's planning murder.
Cameron Hernandez
what? like if I have guro on my drives, should I put in jail because being sliced up by someone is pretty hot?
Ayden Gomez
Guro is really such a shit tier fetish. That being said I have some fetishes that might be considered degenerate too.
Brandon Allen
Yes.
Oliver Flores
...
Luke Bennett
desu I haven't found anything that feels even remotely as good as being cut by someone. why? I'm not harming others by it desu.
Anthony Bailey
Legality exist far beyond the scope of simply harming other.
Levi Cook
I just cant understand how immense pain can feel good. Please explain.
David Jones
Yeah I've never understood why people gave a shit about companies tracking you... Government is the issue. Governments put you in jail while companies do what exactly? Give you advertisements which are better suited to you? Commie idiots.
Dominic Gomez
>police yikes
William Hernandez
Yeah companies just want to squeeze some shekels out of you, good goy.
Isaiah Davis
you should go back to Jow Forums with your YOU-RE-A-FUCKING-JEWISH-MALE-tier SJWism
Adam Wright
How many deaths have been at the hands of companies vs at the hands of government? It's not even close. If you're scared of companies but not of the state you're a god damn moron
Hudson Myers
>it's not my device >it's not my account. It's fake.
There you go.
Josiah Ward
Furthermore what is the worst Google can do to you right now? Even if the CEO is mad at you and violates all policies, law, ToS etc. Government can do all of that and more, and does. Who has google killed? Who has google imprisoned?
Jaxson Parker
thick skulled libertarian teenagers used to upset me, but now I just smile smugly knowing they have 0 capacity to evangelize in a way that doesn't repulse everyone in the room
Robert Stewart
It doesn't matter who's spying on you, I don't care if they're a bunch of saint with the best of intentions, spying is spying.
Parker Smith
British east india company
David Sullivan
If only those companies aren't actively working with government to collect your data.
Xavier Bell
That's the truely bad part of key disclosure laws, there is no presumptiuion of innocence, you would be jailed for not giving the key to those fake/non-ownd devices.
Kayden Rogers
conspiracy cannot be prosecuted without additional laws having being broken wew, lad.
Landon Perez
you have won the prize of the most idiotic comment of the day, by far.
I hope for you it's just trolling
Dominic Ward
You can not be verifiably secure without the ability to inspect the source code of your programs. (aka Freedom 1) If you remove malicious functionality from that program, you should be able to release your patches to the public. (Freedom 3)
whoops i just thought about genociding Africa guess it's life in prison for me
Kayden Kelly
The UK is a nation of cucks who will eagerly give up their rights if you convince them that they're oppressive to women or minorities. Doesn't surprise me in the least.
Jace Wright
governments need companies to be complicit or at least docile about customer data to spy on citizens. there's a lot of incentive for companies to cooperate with government
>Firefox with a bunch of addons Passable but you'd be better off with IceCat.
>I use google, discord and facebook, but make sure first party isolation is on so they can't track me on anything other than their sites Yeah, sure, because that works.
David Barnes
Government is harder to avoid than Google, so what's your point?
Noah Adams
Companies get hacked all of the time, meaning that your data is available to the public. Said data could also be used to blackmail or fire you.
Owen Kelly
See .
Zachary Johnson
>>Windows bitlocker >Insecure. Source? I've only seen the windows device encryption shit (aka consumer grade bitlocker) being proven insecure, because it uploads keys to microsoft. However I use enterprise with traditional bitlocker. Another insecurity i saw written about was the shitty TPM memes, but as I said i don't use TPM, only password based security. >>Firefox with a bunch of addons >Passable but you'd be better off with IceCat. IceCat is less secure. Firefox received container features and a bunch of changes merged from tor during 56-60, while IceCat is still on 55, providing far less features like not having resistFingerprinting and first party isolation >>I use google, discord and facebook, but make sure first party isolation is on so they can't track me on anything other than their sites >Yeah, sure, because that works. Worked well enough for me so far
Dominic Jones
That's an ugly and old looking 13yo
Ethan Martin
Found the NSA shill.
Grayson Wright
In theory, the government could approach anyone and demand they provide credentials for a website or service they never saw in their life. It’s the perfect mechanism for disappearing undesirables.