Are SSDs for boot partition really worth it? Nowadays PCs have 8GB RAM minimum...

SSD all day every day.

Case in point.
I've a 4GB of RAM and I consider my SSD upgrade *not worth it* and do not recommend it to anyone who asks.
Premium's too much for such little benefit.

Only time I'd recommend it is if you have no drive at all and need one, then might as well pay a bit extra.
But if you already have HDD it is *not* worth it.

Yes, SSD for games(especially for loading mods) and booting makes a MASSIVE difference.
IDK why we keep having this threads, a 240GB SSD isn't expensive and using it with a 1TB HDD is a great combo for basic needs.

It's not just boot time, it's program startup time and any process that requires fast disk writes like photo or sound editing. If you don't do any editing and you're on a Mac so every application is left open no matter what then yes, I suppose a HDD would be fine.

I'm convinced 99.9% of these threads are troll threads.

It helps to make Windows stop being slow shit.

More so you can throw your current single-use shit in tmpfs which is even better than ssd

I'd you want to go back to 2 minute load times for Windows reboots, go ahead.

I'll take quick boots on an SSD any day of the week.

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> using sleep mode
> with a ssd
enjoy your bricking, nigger

> Another moron who can't tell the difference between sleep/hibernation

docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/customize/power-settings/sleep-settings-hybrid-sleep

and?

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my 850 evo is rated for 2000TiB writes
after almost 4 years i'm at 34TiB
yeah...

guess what it does

Yes

How many fucking poor fags retards are on this board??? SSD’s for os boot has been common sense for over 5 years now

more reads / writes = less life / less speed
i don't care if your one drive hasn't died YET

You know he was talking about simple sleep and not this useless abomination? People should just buy a fucking USP and not SSD and use normal sleep.

You're retarded and have no idea how SSDs work.

I meant if they want to be safe from blackouts

A normal person doesn't just boot from the SSD. They just cram everything into it, as to them, it's just a drive.

I'm convinced that Jow Forums is filled with technologically incompetent retards like OP.

I wish /v/ and Jow Forums would leave.

And then Wangblows destroyed it with millions of writes per day. God only knows what it wrote though.

that or just turn off your computer.... even then though docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/test/weg/delivering-a-great-startup-and-shutdown-experience ("fast startup"
denial

>not being able to properly manage coolant

...

ironically my first ssd yes, it did. i abused it a little....

What if you want to look through 100000 zip files or 800000 image files. Do yok have your reaction images in a ram disk?

Yeah and then restart your programs and arrange shit all over again when you could put it to sleep and USP would take of security

The you have no life and don't know what thumbnails made for.

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SSDs literally start dying the moment it's used. Planned obsolescence in plain sight, and yet you retards keep buying them.

If avoiding planned obsolescence is the goal, we wouldn't be buying anything anymore.

When was the last time you rebooted? Only time I reboot is when installing stuff that needs it or if the power goes out.
I use sleep mode with my HDD brainlet.
>No argument

if you applied yourself in school, you could have had this grandpa.

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>Not putting your hibernation file in the HDD

If using Winblows 10 you NEED a SSD, it works like crap now with a HDD.

SSDs universally last longer than HDDs

you say that because you don't have an ssd
you are a fool

>No argument.

>"DT 1990 Pro - Fast and aggressive, with plenty of resolution and an open sound, and tight punchy bass, the DT 1990 has the ability to perform well across the board and excel in genres that benefit from a bit of speed and sizzle like metal and some classical music. However, the large spike at 8.3 kHz ruins timbre and makes the listening experience physically painful. "

>Most people would assume that if you left the device in optimal conditions, in the correct temperature and humidity, then the drive will last forever.
>This is actually untrue; data stored on a hard disk drive will gradually degrade, and data stored on a solid state drive will actually degrade faster. >This is because NAND flash stores data as electrical charges, which leak away quickly in comparison with changes in magnetic domain polarity.

>and data stored on a solid state drive will actually degrade faster

Absolutely, using a computer which loads everything from a HDD is a garbage experience. It's much, much slower and less responsive. I only use HDDs for videos, music and backups.

Don't be obtuse, you know he's talking about use life. If you're using an HDD or an SSD for long-term offline storage you've fucked up already anyway.

When will Jow Forums stop falling for obvious "SSDs are bad!" bait?

Honestly, I only say it because I *do* have an SSD. (850 Evo)
Before I pulled the trigger I was pushing for SSDs too, because progress in technology is good.
And even though I still agree with this sentiment and purchasing SSD is better for humanity in the long run, for a consumer it is simply not worth the money spent.

It's not worth it for YOU you fucking nigger. I will never regret adopting SSDs, and neither will millions of other normal consumers. You are alone in this.

I recently moved GF over to a 128gb SSD + 1tb HDD.

Yes. It still makes a big difference.

>If you're using an HDD or an SSD for long-term offline storage you've fucked up already anyway.
>What is RAID.

Every guide will mention HDD's are preferred for long term storage, not SSD's.

Yes, of course it's for me.
Where have I claimed otherwise? Am I pretending to be more people or something (like you, with your "millions of other normal consumers")?
I don't understand what your problem is here.

i have an ssd for all partitions
they're more durable, faster and just better

>boot times
You will have all programs that are on the SDD run much more smoothly, storing cache (like thumbs) on the SSD will also make browsing stuff on the HDD much smoother.
If you've ever used an SSD vs an HDD, you would know that the difference is immense.

>having to manage coolant

You are technically right, but the degradation is minor to the point that it is almost entirely imperceptible over the life of a typical drive. There are so many other factors that would impact read/write speeds far more significantly than degradation that it's pretty much irrelevant. We are talking differences of milliseconds over a period of 5+ years. The user will probably upgrade to a better product long before the drive itself starts to die.

Offline in the technical sense, not offline in the 'not connected to the internet' sense. I fucking swear, Jow Forums gets a little bit more tech illiterate every day.

This comment has nothing to do with HDD's being the preferred choice for long term storage.

>recommending RAID for long-term offline storage

>I've a 4GB of RAM and I consider my SSD upgrade *not worth it* and do not recommend it to anyone who asks.
Yeah, that might be because everything will run like shit with just 4GB RAM.

They work fine. I have a HDD from 2001 that still works perfectly. You don't need to be a retard and spend $2k on tape drives. In the event that a HDD does die after a period of time you simply replace that drive without any loss of data, hence RAID.

RAID0 isn't the only option you know

I reboot / shutdown every day.
Only retards don't

OK if all you do is download CP and put it on the shelf for 10 years buy an HDD

Why would you even bring up CP as an example? Would you use that in a normal conversation in real life? Child porn analogy?

Seems like you may be projecting and actually download child pornography yourself.

Would probably start slower from a HDD hibernation image than a cold SSD boot.

>He doesn't have a multi-terabyte collection of Captain Picard pictures
Get a load of this loser.

>now
I think you mean always.

I've got the good stuff!

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HDDPoorfags SEETHING

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Are you a pajeet or Romanian?? I doubt you could even find a new laptop without a SSD if you live in a first world country.

A person's ability does not determine their circumstances. I don't have the cash for water cooling, but I've researched plenty enough to know the installation and maintenance of it. So no, I don't have to.

my budgetass ssd is 5 years old now
newer ones are supposedly even better regarding writes

is there any reason to buy mechanical drives anymore? I can get a 480gb ssd for about 85 euros.

If you want 10 tb in one drive.

With mechanicals you could have like 60 TB of storage easily.

not hoarding stuff so no hdds for me

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Yeah, because RAM capacity has anything to do with performance if it's never utilized to the max.
I have yet to find a scenario in which I use more than 2.5 GB at the same time.

It's pretty useless to me. And I have both a m2 and a sata ssd. Mostly bought them to see what they're like, I won't go out of my way to buy them again though.

If only RAM prices were like this...

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Because the average Jow Forums user cannot afford SSDs with their neetbucks, therefore they need to shit on everyone who uses them to experience that feeling of superiority at least once in their pitiful lives.

Beyond every other reason there is one ultimate one for me: sound.

I will be glad the day the last whirring, whistling HDD passes out of my life.

Holy fuck dude, every single new application you open needs to get loaded from the HDD, and most of them are scattered around in small blocks around the drive. Even if your HDD has fast sequential reads it will freeze up when you need to load a lot of small bits of data.

Having an SSD is a must nowadays

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How did you go from durability and lifespan to data rot.

>what is defragging
>what is failed sectors
>what is mechanical
>what is slow as fuck
>what is noisy
>what is more heat-generating

>what is defragging
NTFS issue.

>what is failed sectors
Solved by using a proper file system.

>what is mechanical
SSD's are mechanical too. Do you think they're organic or some shit you stupid fuck? It's called having a spinning part.

>what is slow as fuck
Improved with RAID.

>what is noisy
Do you want to be able to hear your own heartbeat or some shit?

>what is more heat-generating
SSD's run more hot.

Then get ambitious.

>SSD's are mechanical too
Good god your retarded
There is a reason SSDs are called solid-state drives its for the same reason solid-state relays are called solid-state relays and its because unlike there mechanical counterparts which use moving parts that interact with each other to perform there duty. Solid-state devices don't have moving parts and can do there duty without having to succumb to the limitations of a mechanical system

Not having an SSD to boot and perform other stored programs on is a "modern" computer's biggest bottleneck. After a year your load times on anything will be so slow, let alone your boot time.

I use modern loosely since having a pc without one is hardly modern.

>improved with RAID
Needing to use multiple drives in an unreliable way just to have decent speed.
Please grant us yet more wisdom hard drive san.

>after a year
Maybe if you use Windows which is capable of getting slow just by idling.

Yeah, switched from a tops 400MB/s HDD to a 1.6GB/s SSD. Boot and load times are greatly improved.

>an unreliable way
It's perfectly reliable and cost effective.