Jow Forums operating costs?

It's a last bastion of free speech really, try saying nigger or kike to anyone anywhere else on the internet.
Hell try disagreeing with anyone on a major discussion forum, the good thing about Jow Forums is that everyone is equal and that's worth a hell of a lot more than you think.
I'm going to miss the days when this place is gone.

And the moment you realize that millions of users are consuming Petabytes of bandwidth then it's time for a financial plan.
You couldn't simply afford to run a site with loss *YOU* have to pay for.
It's either the users paying you directly in cash trough purchases/subscriptions or getting it indirectly trough 3rd party buyers/advertisers.
Remember that most hosting providers have a Zero Tolerance Policy with pornographic/incorrect content on their servers.
Then again if Jow Forums had actual good hosting a 2mb webm wouldn't buffer :(

Is cloudflare really that important ? Does the caching help that much ?

im this dude here learning webdev

can be cheaper if moot used something sane like lynx chan

>Is cloudflare really that important ?
Caching is not what makes it important, you could have similar effect with your own distribution/caching network for less money.
Protection from DDOS is what it is really offering you.

how many CDN locations does Jow Forums run?

>Protection from DDOS is what it is really offering you
Ah I completely forgot that was a thing really.
I've never made anything web related that was bigger than 1 MB in size so I'm completely oblivious of the problems people have with actual big websites.

PS: Don't pay anyone a salary, neets work for free to feel powerful.
That's up to 20 free moderation hours every day per mod.
Technology wise it's not complex
All the needed code is out and anyone can start an imageboard

>It's a last bastion of free speech really
this website is literally tumblr but the mirror opposite, so you say the hurtful n-word instead of pronouns. bastion of free speech my ass

webm added in the probably vain hope that it adds to hiros server bills and probably some idiots archive website too. haha im the joker but on a computer hahaha

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>lynx chan
I don't think old moot had much choice, there was 2chan and I think that was about it honestly.
Later came some all in one packages that allowed people to 1 click install an imageboard but that was years after Jow Forums was started.

>14 year olds saying nigger TRUMP LMAO on an anonymous forum has value to an investor
This is exactly the cancer that's killing Jow Forums. People used to come here to have honest, unfiltered discussions about things, making raids, posting memes, shit like that. The "saying kike" part was a byproduct of the actual discussion that was going on. After moot nuked Jow Forums, everything went to shit. Now it's just dumb Americans like you and their >muh freedom of speech. Nodoby outside of the US cares about being free to use any word you want, if you're talking to fucking retards all the time.

>hurtful n-word
Listen xir, in Tumblr you cannot say nigger, here you can say both nigger and xir.

>353kb

There's nothing a webm would add that a 3mb gif wouldn't

>implying im in the US
I honestly can't wait till your president nukes his own country. Also the right to say whatever you want especially on the internet is a rare thing these days.
>xir
watch that pottymouth mister

ye i know but now we have stuff and i know if i was mootoshima i would have made sure it werk'd well
obv he doesn't care

How much of a cuck do you have to be to pay for these faggots to shitpost?

Just rewrite it in really efficient C and you'll save a shit ton of resources, user.

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I'm not American, dumbdumb. I can say nigger iny fucking workplace and not a single person would even fucking flinch, it's just that there is no point in saying it.
You're missing my point: there's no reason to have freedom of speech, if you are talking with dumb mutts all the time. The internet may as well fucking die, I don't give a shit

He would have a hard time releasing any of his money out of that eternal deathgrip of his to invest into Jow Forums.
But yeah a rewrite wouldn't be so bad, I still remember when Jow Forums was made reactive with html5/css3 and would scale like a goddamn transformer.
Everyone lost their shit that day.

>You're missing my point: there's no reason to have freedom of speech
Hold on there little jimmy, free speech is important regardless of where you are in the world. Even Murikastan has it in their constitution for goodness sake, and if America can give a shit about it so can you.
>The internet may as well fucking die, I don't give a shit
Then why are you on the internet you seemingly hate so much.
Really gets the noggin joggin.

(You) aren't understanding that his question was just how much it would cost to run the site, and he's retarded for asking it in such a dumb way

>dumb dumb
Is that common vernacular or are you the same retarded faggot in every Jow Forums thread I end up reading?

avoid paying anything for it by making it p2p across all users' devices
that way everyone and no one is responsible for cheese pizza too

enjoy your buffer overflow exploits

How would you make a website fully p2p without having all sorts of security risks ?

I support the efforts of its owner in his drive to remove any reasons to use it whatsoever and make the users unhappy so they are at increased risk of heart disease and or diabetes. A noble and unquestionably good act. Well done

Love that image, brah. I have it saved from wikihow completely independently of you; just thought I'd share this coincidence.

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copy paste an existing p2p network like freenet or zeronet

>P2P/decentral hosting
>Blockchain tracker
>Imageboard with no limits
>Threads never expire
This isn't actually a bad idea DUUDE...

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It's always nice to find a likeminded individual

email reply-all chain. the archive is some guy who prints it out and places it in a filing cabinet

This actually does not sound bad, but wouldn't a website with terabytes of content be ginormous to handle locally or is there compression on a blockchain file when it downloads it to the local machine ?

What sites you learning from for webdev?

>terabytes of storage
>disks being trashed to fuck
>dealing with hosts that will allow adult content
>dealing with hosts that won't blacklist you when users consistently upload cp
>$30/mo vps
yeah, not even close

No websites but a school that allows learning at home, it's very relaxing to be able to just take a day off when I want to or if I have something to do.

the thing about Jow Forums that makes it expensive is the storage capacity, when a thread 404s, it's still there on the server because they track and save everything you do

if you don't keep dead threads, you could get away with 4tb of storage and a shitty raspberry

>terabytes of storage
that's only a problem because the previous owner and the current owner of Jow Forums keeps the data on the drives for (((legal))) reasons (selling your data to companies)
>dealing with hosts that won't blacklist you when users consistently upload cp
mods and jannies don't get paid

I don't think a raspberry could support as many clients as Jow Forums has constantly autoupdating threads.
Simply the amount of connections would kill even nginx.

>Host it on electron
>The client has to do all the work including compression
>Zero server costs apart from you seeding the official updates
I mean yeah doesn't sound that bad

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>electron
That actually isnt that bad of an idea, so you just push updates to the DB file constantly whenever a thread gets updated ?

Pushing updates by listing all seeded threads with a server free tracker could be possible.
I think there was a project somewhere that tried making a decentral imageboard

>decentral imageboard
github.com/majestrate/nntpchan
Was it this one ?

this would be slow as fuck desu

Would it really be that slow ?
I've never worked with something like electron before honestly.

P2P imageboard is a meme
imagine your desktop silently being filled with pedo pictures by browsing Jow Forums

it's not you're problem if it's just cached

it's a huge problem as a P2P system relies on its user to serve the contents

just have it be encrypted so nobody knows what theyre hosting
or something like that

every tor node hoster isn't v& every time someone uses their node to push or pull cheese pizza
if the Jow Forums userbase remained as large as it currently is and the gubbermints tried to come after millions of people for "distributing CP" it would force legal change

encryption is irrelevant as end users can see the decrypted contents
end users include FBI

deluded
it will end up with enforced porn filter installed in every computer

there is already a pizza scanner on every windows device called photodna. google and apple likely have similar image recognition systems specifically for cp. the point is that there would simply be too many people for any feds to realistically come after.

It's kind of a slap in the face when even paying users get the ads... This would've been a perfect opportunity to get less ublock-savvy users to pay up.

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Write it in Assembly.

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Host it on ipfs.

They made a blog post about this. blog.Jow Forums.org/post/152411853897/Jow Forums-bandwidth-was-3pb-last-month-Jow Forums-doesnt

100000 dorrah.
Or $3,50 if they'd optimise it and use flif, av1 and get rid of javasbloat

ty

>it would force legal change

lol no. they'll just easily arrest more people.

what school, I'm interested

Probably up to $300 a month, but I could host it for closer to $200 or less.

Worth noting this is from Hiro though, who knows how accurate it is

Wasn't there an infograph that showed how full of shit he was back when he posted this?

This is also the same guy that got shafted off 2chan because of what an underhanded cock he was.

nigger

Jow Forums pays 90,000 a month in server costs if not mistaken. But considering the amount of content that gets posted daily im not surprised. Then u have legal fees etc

Jow Forums pushes around 3-4PB traffic a month, some of which is porn (which matters a LOT to pricing; you need a GOOD host).

If you were sensible, bought your own servers in advance, set up on nginx with HTTP/2.0 and TLS 1.2/1.3, did your own peering and set up your own AS at a reasonable cost datacentre, expect something along the lines of $10000/month direct hosting, and around $15000/month for Cloudflare on top (which will save you a LOT because of caching and DDoS defense) I guess?

You want a fair amount of CPU for thumbnailers, and RAM and fast disc for content, but it's a static site generator so CPU load on the actual site itself is low.

$90000/month is what Hiro quotes based on AWS pricing, which is of course a classic ridiculous Hiro bullshit line because a) he freely admits Jow Forums doesn't use AWS, and b) AWS is priced for light "flexible" usage and money-burning only, and is much much more expensive than sensible, good hosting.

LOI
It's a dutch school where you can do courses and study at home or in a class.

Former chan admin here. I hosted mine on a spare server I already had, but I moved about a thousandth of the traffic of Jow Forums and things start costing differently then.

Nearly all the CPU load is in thumbnailing, and your libraries for that are already SIMD-accelerated C I'd hope.

You could host it much cheaper if you either didn't allow porn or had less traffic. You could probably cut costs from with some sufficiently smart solutions, like microservicing a thumbnail queue, and separating the bulk bandwidth from the fast (Hiro actually does this with the slow OVH-hosted is. servers, so I expect he might actually be paying much less).

At the scale Jow Forums moves, Cloudflare isn't free anymore.

If you are a webdev, you should take a look at Holochain/holohost, it's launcing by end of year and would allow you to host websites/applications in a fashion similar to bittorrent. This means not having to worry about SJW companies disagreeing to host your racist frogs, and anyone with spare computing power and storage could contribute to hosting it, as the hosting software should be extremely easy to run, and even a RPi can run it.

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>Holochain
Honestly I'm just wondering what needs to be done in order to update a website in case you host it on something like this ? I mean I never had a website where the first version I put online is the definitive version.

I'm still somewhat of a brainlet on the subject, but I believe it is still possible to update hosted content on Holo. It isn't like traditional smart contracts on blockchains, where there is global consensus.

theres some forum software written in assembly and its fast as fuck. like the fastest website youll ever use.

board.asm32.info/

How would you use something written in Assembly as a website ?
CGI or something ?

>something sane like lynx chan

>A runtime 30x faster than PHP
nice!

>LynxChan uses Node.js as a runtime environment and Mongodb as a database.
wat

there is also Gochan, btw: github.com/Eggbertx/gochan

WTF

>Gochan
>mascot has short legs
>can't Go anywhere

I have no idea but the source is here if you want to check it out asm32.info/fossil/repo/asmbb/dir?ci=e71c601eb75341c2&name=source

This came to mind for some reason

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>digitalocean
>vcpu
>1280gb
>$320

fucking why.

on hetzner you can get a server with 100tb storage 6 core xeon 128gb ram for less than that

>I never asked for this

I dunno I just took DO since that's the only big VPS place I know

The only sane solution would be to colo near IXPs.

You could lower the costs by a decent margin this way, but the work is something hiro is most likely never going to put in(you need physical access to lower the costs).

Moot multiple times operated on the red and it hovered +-0 most of the time.

Simple solutions I suggested before the selling: limit image size, different hosting service for images and accept donations or make "gold member" perks proper.

vps is for cheap small servers, when you're spending $100's you can get a real dedicated server

Yeah just looked at hetzner's dedicated servers.
From around €200 you start getting some serious hardware.

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>How much equipment, salaries, technology outlay does it require?

About -- tree fiddy.

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>micro-servicing
You're using advanced software architectural terms that a low-level C caveman won't be able to grasp.

hiroshit needs to stop being such a jew and put some money into Jow Forums. networking is so easy nowadays. it's cheap as fuck and takes minimal effort to get some servers set up in datacenters and connect to a routing server. that's what google does.

If you ran it the way m00t ran it, you'd probably need $100k - $200k per year. This is based off of the time m00t said he quickly found himself $20k in debt a few years back and had to move back in with his mom. I guess J-Line ads pay like shit.

Storage shouldn't be a problem. Storage is cheap.

It's the bandwidth that's the problem. And most hosters don't like having to deal with ddos attacks, police investigations and such.

which shows the importance of having dedicated servers in datacenters.

Jow Forums is monetized in a very bad manner though.

He should just make board specific webstores.